If your favorite NBA player pulled a Kaepernick?

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Re: If your favorite NBA player pulled a Kaepernick? 

Post#221 » by MiltownHawkeye » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:04 am

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MotownMadness wrote:God this new generation of cry babies is just beyond annoying. "My feelings hurt", "I need a safe zone", "Everyone is racists".



The crybabies are the ones who get all upset because some dude doesn't want to participate in a nationalistic ritual. "Spitting in their faces" and all of that crap.

Get over it, it's his right.

And I'm probably older than you are.



It's about respecting the country that you're a citizen of. If he doesn't like America, there's always Canada.

Yeah this country would be just **** awesome right now if every single person who spoke out for civil rights because they weren't content with how the country treated them just got up and moved instead.
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Re: If your favorite NBA player pulled a Kaepernick? 

Post#222 » by Roddy B for 3 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:04 am

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Bergmaniac wrote:What is the connection between respecting the army and standing during the national anthem? Is that some US custom?


It's about showing respect for your country and sharing a common spirit, the American spirit. It's been historically significant. The younger generation lack morals, and thinks the world is always against them. They have no idea how fortunate they are to be living in this great nation we call America.


I would have given you an "And-1" if you said something more to the effect of, "Some people lack morals, and think the world is against them".

I am personally disrespected by your comparing entire generations of me and my fellow Americans to one individual who is being spotlighted in the media because of his disrespect towards the country that has given him the opportunity to live a dream life.

May I ask what generation you come from, so I can give you multiple examples of your generation disrespecting the country?
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Re: If your favorite NBA player pulled a Kaepernick? 

Post#223 » by IFeelsYaBrah » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:06 am

I for one think he is only doing it for his personal reasons.

He is playing worse and worse, and is a burden with the huge contract. I think that he went political so that when the media and people try to criticize him, he could deflect the blame, make it seem like it's due to his political views.
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Re: If your favorite NBA player pulled a Kaepernick? 

Post#224 » by coachcav » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:16 am

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And to pile on ... it's funny when the older generation criticizes younger people for being spoiled, completely ignoring that the older generation raised the young generation. The first ones to talk about accountability are the first ones to dodge it.


Exactly! That is why decided to put him on blast. I was going to say this part but I feel like I blasted him enough. I don't like when people try to degrade my generation when theirs is far from perfect. We haven't done anything yet. We are still working on getting entry level positions and experience let alone us running for office.


ahh. so you haven't paid real taxes yet, or have any real life experiences outside of college?


If you could actually read I was referring to political power. Again the majority of americans need to use some deductive reasoning skills. I actually paid taxes since i worked when i was 14.
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Post#225 » by MiltownHawkeye » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:16 am

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The Infamous1 wrote:I just don't understand how people can root for a sports team that is 80 percent African American but have these negative downright racist views of black people as whole. The most bigoted people I've ever met are die hard sports fans and it's one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. You're ok with them dunking and catching touchdowns but don't view them as actual human beings, they're just the entertainment


i love the NBA and I think Colin is a spoiled brat. How am I racist?

Sadly that is the mentally of many minorities. They are brainwashed to believe that white people can't judge a person based on actions...only skin color. The education system is failing them.

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Re: If your favorite NBA player pulled a Kaepernick? 

Post#226 » by AndroidMan » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:17 am

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nomansland wrote:

The crybabies are the ones who get all upset because some dude doesn't want to participate in a nationalistic ritual. "Spitting in their faces" and all of that crap.

Get over it, it's his right.

And I'm probably older than you are.



It's about respecting the country that you're a citizen of. If he doesn't like America, there's always Canada.

Yeah this country would be just **** awesome right now if every single person who spoke out for civil rights because they weren't content with how the country treated them just got up and moved instead.


You don't have to voice your displeasure immaturely and by showing little to no respect of what this country stands for. I think there's only one country in the world that can grant Colin the right to make a lot of money in his profession. Colin is given the chance to live like a king and live this thing we all desire, the "American Dream." In fact, if he sees injustice, he should get involved in the communities where injustice is taking place. He should even use some of his money to start businesses or invest in those without the means to advance. Showing disrespect was not the correct path to express his feelings
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Re: If your favorite NBA player pulled a Kaepernick? 

Post#227 » by AndroidMan » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:19 am

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Bergmaniac wrote:What is the connection between respecting the army and standing during the national anthem? Is that some US custom?


It's about showing respect for your country and sharing a common spirit, the American spirit. It's been historically significant. The younger generation lack morals, and thinks the world is always against them. They have no idea how fortunate they are to be living in this great nation we call America.


I would have given you an "And-1" if you said something more to the effect of, "Some people lack morals, and think the world is against them".

I am personally disrespected by your comparing entire generations of me and my fellow Americans to one individual who is being spotlighted in the media because of his disrespect towards the country that has given him the opportunity to live a dream life.

May I ask what generation you come from, so I can give you multiple examples of your generation disrespecting the country?


Fair enough. Poor choice of words I used to make my statement, and after reading it again it does seem like a blanket statement. I should've been more specific that a large majority of the youth are indoctrinated by the liberal agenda.
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Re: If your favorite NBA player pulled a Kaepernick? 

Post#228 » by coachcav » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:20 am

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AndroidMan wrote:
I agree, the older generation did screw up by letting the elite spread their liberal agenda for decades. You're right, we should've been wiser years ago and taken steps to prevent this current state that the youth are trapped in. Liberal ideologies have trapped you in your mind.


I'm glad you admit that it's ultimately your fault.


Sure my generations and the generations before it did a poor job of letting this liberal ideology of hating your country spread. We failed you and allowed you to become indoctrinated from the liberal agenda. To be fair though, I was indoctrinated as well. There's still hope yet for you youngings!


I'm glad you admit it was your fault instead of complaining like a spoiled little brat you are.
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Re: If your favorite NBA player pulled a Kaepernick? 

Post#229 » by nomansland » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:22 am

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nomansland wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:God this new generation of cry babies is just beyond annoying. "My feelings hurt", "I need a safe zone", "Everyone is racists".



The crybabies are the ones who get all upset because some dude doesn't want to participate in a nationalistic ritual. "Spitting in their faces" and all of that crap.

Get over it, it's his right.

And I'm probably older than you are.



It's about respecting the country that you're a citizen of. If he doesn't like America, there's always Canada.


Nationalistic rituals are not synonymous with respecting the country. I can be happy to live here, feel damn lucky to have been born here, and still think that taking off my hat because of the flag is a bit idiotic.

And anyway sometimes people need to call out our own country when it's guilty of bull****. Are you ok with wealthy foreign individuals buying influence with the U.S. government via the Clinton Fountation?
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Re: If your favorite NBA player pulled a Kaepernick? 

Post#230 » by Roddy B for 3 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:23 am

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AndroidMan wrote:
nomansland wrote:

The crybabies are the ones who get all upset because some dude doesn't want to participate in a nationalistic ritual. "Spitting in their faces" and all of that crap.

Get over it, it's his right.

And I'm probably older than you are.



It's about respecting the country that you're a citizen of. If he doesn't like America, there's always Canada.

Yeah this country would be just **** awesome right now if every single person who spoke out for civil rights because they weren't content with how the country treated them just got up and moved instead.


Kapernick literally just sat there, while his teammates (including the ones who protect him) stood with their hands on their hearts. He was weak. Then he said it was a sign of protest against how the country treats minorities, our leader is a minority.

If he wants to do something against the violence minorities are experiencing, call a press confrence and tell the world how you feel. Then use your available resources and activiley DO something. Don't just sit down.

I am a person who beleaves if you see a problem and you sit and do nothing, shut up and accept responsibility, or get out of the people who do things in a positive manners way.

Someone who literally just SITS there and waits for the attention, so they can spred negative thoughts through their lazy actions, really pisses me off.

Like, I get it you see a problem, so you want to bring attention to it, but why do that in the laziest way possible? Show people how to fix the problem, not how to spread hate (and lazinessess).
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Re: If your favorite NBA player pulled a Kaepernick? 

Post#231 » by Dajadeed » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:25 am

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jumpstart wrote:the worst are the people who speak out against saying its disrespectful to the military. Since when does one person's view point speak for everyone in the military.

Alex Boone couldn't be anywhere further form the truth.

Also, nationalism is so stupid in a world that is becoming more and more globalized. Its just dumb redneck that get all pissy about stuff like this.


I'm nowhere near a redneck but having a family full of people who fought for what that flag and anthem stand for that gives Kap the opportunity to make 114 million dollars leads me to be disgusted by it, sorry.


I have family and friends in the military as well. I have zero problems with him doing this as it is what "freedom" means.

The military doesn't have a monopoly on the flag or on patriotism.
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Post#232 » by Roddy B for 3 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:27 am

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AndroidMan wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:
I'm glad you admit that it's ultimately your fault.


Sure my generations and the generations before it did a poor job of letting this liberal ideology of hating your country spread. We failed you and allowed you to become indoctrinated from the liberal agenda. To be fair though, I was indoctrinated as well. There's still hope yet for you youngings!


I'm glad you admit it was your fault instead of complaining like a spoiled little brat you are.


HaHa. Name calling on a basketball forum! You must be a grown man!
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Re: If your favorite NBA player pulled a Kaepernick? 

Post#233 » by AndroidMan » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:27 am

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AndroidMan wrote:
nomansland wrote:

The crybabies are the ones who get all upset because some dude doesn't want to participate in a nationalistic ritual. "Spitting in their faces" and all of that crap.

Get over it, it's his right.

And I'm probably older than you are.



It's about respecting the country that you're a citizen of. If he doesn't like America, there's always Canada.


Nationalistic rituals are not synonymous with respecting the country. I can be happy to live here, feel damn lucky to have been born here, and still think that taking off my hat because of the flag is a bit idiotic.

And anyway sometimes people need to call out our own country when it's guilty of bull****. Are you ok with wealthy foreign individuals buying influence with the U.S. government via the Clinton Fountation?


Absolutely not. I think Clinton's are corrupt to the core. I don't agree with this administration or the one's before it, but it doesn't mean I don't love my country and look at my flag in disgust. I look at the politicians with disgust and resentment for **** the country up. That flag though, I'll tell ya, is one of the prettiest thing I've ever seen.
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Post#234 » by N8N » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:28 am

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N8N wrote:I'm a veteran and I'm okay with people dissenting, or not standing up for the national anthem or the flag. It's their right. I don't like others ostracizing these people for expressing themselves, as long as it is nonviolent and with respect to others. So what if someone sat or didn't remove his/her hat during the anthem? It's more disgusting to see people make that person stand up, remove the hat, or deride him/her for not showing flag decorum.


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Oh for sure man.

I still maintain flag decorum as a civilian, as it has come to mean something for me. I just don't think everyone else HAS to do it you know? I can understand people who hate patriotism or national pride or those who want to just express themselves in a respectful, nonviolent way.
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Post#235 » by Dajadeed » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:32 am

The Infamous1 wrote:I just don't understand how people can root for a sports team that is 80 percent African American but have these negative downright racist views of black people as whole. The most bigoted people I've ever met are die hard sports fans and it's one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. You're ok with them dunking and catching touchdowns but don't view them as actual human beings, they're just the entertainment


This x 1,000,000.


The vast majority probably resent the fact that these athletes make so much money. Hence the "people die so you can make millions" arguments, which completely ignore that they also die so anyone can exercise their basic rights... Which is what he is doing.

But your basic question of how hardcore racists can be huge basketball or football fans I have always found fascinating. I understand that slaves were sometimes used for entertainment as well, so I'm guessing this is an extension of that thinking -- and it makes their outrage when said entertainers express political views much funnier.
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Post#236 » by Roddy B for 3 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:33 am

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It's about showing respect for your country and sharing a common spirit, the American spirit. It's been historically significant. The younger generation lack morals, and thinks the world is always against them. They have no idea how fortunate they are to be living in this great nation we call America.


I would have given you an "And-1" if you said something more to the effect of, "Some people lack morals, and think the world is against them".

I am personally disrespected by your comparing entire generations of me and my fellow Americans to one individual who is being spotlighted in the media because of his disrespect towards the country that has given him the opportunity to live a dream life.

May I ask what generation you come from, so I can give you multiple examples of your generation disrespecting the country?


Fair enough. Poor choice of words I used to make my statement, and after reading it again it does seem like a blanket statement. I should've been more specific that a large majority of the youth are indoctrinated by the liberal agenda.


George Washington spread the liberal agenda. As did Abraham Lincoln.
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Post#237 » by AndroidMan » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:35 am

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AndroidMan wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:
I would have given you an "And-1" if you said something more to the effect of, "Some people lack morals, and think the world is against them".

I am personally disrespected by your comparing entire generations of me and my fellow Americans to one individual who is being spotlighted in the media because of his disrespect towards the country that has given him the opportunity to live a dream life.

May I ask what generation you come from, so I can give you multiple examples of your generation disrespecting the country?


Fair enough. Poor choice of words I used to make my statement, and after reading it again it does seem like a blanket statement. I should've been more specific that a large majority of the youth are indoctrinated by the liberal agenda.


George Washington spread the liberal agenda. As did Abraham Lincoln.


I can take the discussion in regards to liberalism with you offline if you'd like. I'd rather stay on topic in this thread without going to far off the initial path.
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Post#238 » by JonnyFive5 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:46 am

He has the right to do it, but I think he is stupid for doing some.

Why protest a whole country? By and large America is a great country. I don't see the logic in not supporting the good because it has some bad. The good should still be celebrated, and the bad should be rallied for to change.
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Post#239 » by campybatman » Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:59 am

The Infamous1 wrote:I just don't understand how people can root for a sports team that is 80 percent African American but have these negative downright racist views of black people as whole. The most bigoted people I've ever met are die hard sports fans and it's one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. You're ok with them dunking and catching touchdowns but don't view them as actual human beings, they're just the entertainment



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Simply put. They’re gone. According to research done by ESPN’s Outside the Lines back in 2009, 71.9% of NBA players are African American, 18.3% are international and 9.9% are white Americans – meaning there is an average of one per team – with Memphis, Detroit, Los Angeles (Clippers) and Washington having zero. Of those other 26 teams, the Los Angeles Lakers, Milwaukee Bucks and Minnesota Timberwolves are the only franchises that carry more than two white American players on their current roster. Aside from Kevin Love and David Lee, that crop of players that makes up that nearly 10 percent is hardly considered to be at the elite level. Consider this: until Kevin Love came in the league there hadn’t been a white American NBA All-Star since Brad Miller in 2004. You’d have to go all the way back to John Stockton in 1997 to find a starter.

It seems that the 60’s-Early 90’s produced the “great white hopes,” while 2000 and beyond has produced the “10 day contract nopes.” The rules of basketball have hardly changed since James Naismith picked up that peach basket in Springfield, Massachusetts. The collegiate landscape offers up plenty of white, American stars. Then what gives? Why aren’t these same collegiate court savants becoming stars? There are 312 college basketball teams at the Division 1 level comprised of 4,000 players – sifted and chewed threw from a high school class every year boasting more than 540,000 aspiring MJ’s, LeBron’s and Kobe’s. According to College Times, these athletes then have a 24,550-1 odds of ever going pro – while chances of being struck by lightning in one’s lifetime is 10,000-1. The only luck involved in making the pros involves harnessing ability and steering clear of devastating injury.


In speaking about the trend of the decline of the white American NBA player, and namely former standout point guard at Notre Dame, Kyle McAlarney, Mike Dunleavy commented, “the key point: who can he guard?” Jerry West concurs, saying “it’s a stigma that they’re going to have to overcome.” In the last 15 years, only two white American players made the All Defensive 1st or 2nd Team (Stockton, Hinrich). So the point remains: if a player can’t guard anybody, their contributions on the offensive end come with little impact to plus/minus statistics. It’s often speculated that the zone defense was reintroduced into the NBA to help slow-footed defenders stand a chance out on the court. Perhaps since the zone defense is so prevalent in the college game, defensive deficiencies aren’t so prevalent.



In speaking about the trend of the decline of the white American NBA player, and namely former standout point guard at Notre Dame, Kyle McAlarney, Mike Dunleavy commented, “the key point: who can he guard?” Jerry West concurs, saying “it’s a stigma that they’re going to have to overcome.” In the last 15 years, only two white American players made the All Defensive 1st or 2nd Team (Stockton, Hinrich). So the point remains: if a player can’t guard anybody, their contributions on the offensive end come with little impact to plus/minus statistics. It’s often speculated that the zone defense was reintroduced into the NBA to help slow-footed defenders stand a chance out on the court. Perhaps since the zone defense is so prevalent in the college game, defensive deficiencies aren’t so prevalent.



While race relations in this country are far from perfect, things have undoubtedly improved since the 1960’s and 70’s when our supposed “melting pot” was nothing more than a quarantined plate – with clear divisions as if a meal served in a military mess hall. As connotations and accusations of being a “race trader” have acquiesced slightly when it comes to interracial marriages, perhaps the offspring of these unions have something to do with the current trend. Have the white American basketball players become the mixed American superstars? Look no further than Blake Griffin, Steph Curry, Deron Williams, Jason Kidd, Kris Humphries, and Joakim Noah as evidence of multiracial players who take on a much bigger role on a team than just roster junkie. While the sample is small, there’s no denying that more and more 80’s and 90’s babies will be born from a bi-cultural relationship as the country moves toward a place where acceptance is common place. According to the Huffington Post, multiracial Americans is the largest growing group in the entire United States. In 2010, 1.6 million Americans checked both “black” and “white” on their census forms, a figure 134 percent higher than the number a decade earlier. America is changing for the better – both from a cultural standpoint and in terms of physical excellence. But it would be wise to note that we’re not alone.

Americans view sport as recreation while international participants see it as a chance to take a stab at the “American dream” where streets are paved with gold and opportunity knocks with every buttery jumpshot and crossover dribble. It’s perhaps the same reason why the demise of the white American basketball player coincides with the disappearance of the black American baseball player. According to ESPN, only 8.5 percent of the MLB is comprised of African American ball players – down from 18 % back in 1991. It seems that it’s not as much about race in sport as much as it is about location. The foreign born influence has not only improved professional leagues, but it’s made it that much tougher to even break in. As the NBA continues to grow on an international level, the idea of the next “great white hope” will simply be referred to as “America’s hope.”


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Re: If your favorite NBA player pulled a Kaepernick? 

Post#240 » by Roddy B for 3 » Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:08 am

AndroidMan wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:
AndroidMan wrote:
Fair enough. Poor choice of words I used to make my statement, and after reading it again it does seem like a blanket statement. I should've been more specific that a large majority of the youth are indoctrinated by the liberal agenda.


George Washington spread the liberal agenda. As did Abraham Lincoln.


I can take the discussion in regards to liberalism with you offline if you'd like. I'd rather stay on topic in this thread without going to far off the initial path.


The topic is, "If your favorite player pulled a Kapernick".

The last post you wrote said, "a large majority of youth are indoctorened by the liberal agenda".

Please, PM what you consider the "liberal agenda".
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