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[PierceFan4ever]

Meaningless post without links to back it up. Top 15!? Says the guy accusing Sixers fans of being homers Wow.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2017/09/sports_illustrateds_top-100_nb.amp

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank1130/nbarank-players-11-30

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/playerrankings

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/sports/nba-top-100-players-2017/?utm_term=.ed642177b05d

My bad it was #16 by sports illustrated. Anyways each had Gordon Hayward in there top 20. I’ve yet to see any article that had Hayward 30 or worse. So yeah. I’m not trying to be a homer thinking Hayward is some superstar or you claiming I think of him as Bird. Just...Dario Saric being not that far off from a top 15-20 player...yeah no. Like I said, some of your fanbase has some extreme over the top homer takes such as that of Saric. Embiid and Simmons being the next magic and Kareem is bad enough lmao. Again like I said I’m not surprised with these takes because after all, you guys were down the bottom pile of garbage the last 5 years so it’s okay to be really optimistic but some of these takes are a little embarrassing.

Man, some of these links... Notice how the 3rd link you posted ranks him 1 spot above Ty Lawson Sounds about right.

Hayward won't sniff Simmons/Embiid level impact.

Damn that’s the best response you can come up with after asking for links? Hold this L

[bebopdeluxe]

Can we please stop overrating Dario Saric? Im a guy whos said he has all-star potential and that its possible that he could one day put up numbers similar to present day Blake Griffin in the right system as the top option.

But today? To call him a little worse than Hayward? Laughable take. Hes worlds behind Hayward as a player. Lets be serious now.

Not this season.

Remember - the best ability is availability.

[PierceFan4ever]

Nobody is calling Saric Dirk. If Saric was Dirk he would be much better than Hayward instead of being a little worse.

And nobody is calling Hayward the next bird. Again, to end this, Saric right now is not a little worse than Gordon Hayward from last season. If you don’t think that’s a homer take then yeah ok don’t expect people to take your responses seriously, superdario

Sounds like you're attributing Gobert's impact last season to Hayward. Good player, not great. Sorry.

Sure he’s an all star at the western conference when he was healthy. Remains to be seen what he is post injury. My definition of great is reserved for a few so I agree with you there. Sorry but Dario Saric is not close to Hayward last year as much as some of your homers might think.

[ProcessDoctor]

Boston v Philly isn't even set in stone and this thread is already like

[GeorgeMarcus]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2017/09/sports_illustrateds_top-100_nb.amp

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarank1130/nbarank-players-11-30

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/playerrankings

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/sports/nba-top-100-players-2017/?utm_term=.ed642177b05d

My bad it was #16 by sports illustrated. Anyways each had Gordon Hayward in there top 20. I’ve yet to see any article that had Hayward 30 or worse. So yeah. I’m not trying to be a homer thinking Hayward is some superstar or you claiming I think of him as Bird. Just...Dario Saric being not that far off from a top 15-20 player...yeah no. Like I said, some of your fanbase has some extreme over the top homer takes such as that of Saric. Embiid and Simmons being the next magic and Kareem is bad enough lmao. Again like I said I’m not surprised with these takes because after all, you guys were down the bottom pile of garbage the last 5 years so it’s okay to be really optimistic but some of these takes are a little embarrassing.

Man, some of these links... Notice how the 3rd link you posted ranks him 1 spot above Ty Lawson Sounds about right.

Hayward won't sniff Simmons/Embiid level impact.

Damn that’s the best response you can come up with after asking for links? Hold this L

You posted a link that ranked Ty Lawson as a top 20 player in the league. I can't imagine taking a bigger L than that.

[PierceFan4ever]

Man, some of these links... Notice how the 3rd link you posted ranks him 1 spot above Ty Lawson Sounds about right.

Hayward won't sniff Simmons/Embiid level impact.

Damn that’s the best response you can come up with after asking for links? Hold this L

You posted a link that ranked Ty Lawson as a top 20 player in the league. I can't imagine taking a bigger L than that.

Oh well, I’ll still take cbs rankings for whatever yours (probably have Simmons and Embiid in your top 8) But hey the the other 3 still had Hayward in their top 20. We could remove that link and in the end Espn, Si, and the Washington post still had Hayward in the 16-20 range. You probably thought I was making up the rankings that I saw on Hayward which was why you asked for links, your best response had nothing to do with the facts because you know you were wrong. Again, hold this L.

[Madhouse]

The way you think of Saric is like the next Dirk foh. I don’t care what Saric could potentially be. Bottom line is Hayward last year being an all star in the West is ONLY A LITTLE better than Dario Saric right now is a stupid take. That’s an extreme homer view. Perhaps Sixers fans should quit sipping the koolaid maybe the responses wouldn’t be so embarrassing.

Nobody is calling Saric Dirk. If Saric was Dirk he would be much better than Hayward instead of being a little worse.

And nobody is calling Hayward the next bird. Again, to end this, Saric right now is not a little worse than Gordon Hayward from last season. If you don’t think that’s a homer take then yeah ok don’t expect people to take your responses seriously, superdario

Right now he is actually a lot better than Hayward. And what happens next season is tbd.

[PierceFan4ever]

Nobody is calling Saric Dirk. If Saric was Dirk he would be much better than Hayward instead of being a little worse.

And nobody is calling Hayward the next bird. Again, to end this, Saric right now is not a little worse than Gordon Hayward from last season. If you don’t think that’s a homer take then yeah ok don’t expect people to take your responses seriously, superdario

Right now he is actually a lot better than Hayward. And what happens next season is tbd.

That’s not the point...we all know Hayward is injured. One Sixers fan said Hayward from last season is only a little better than Saric which is flat out wrong and I laughed over that statement and deservingly so. There’s some hurt Sixers fan responding to my reply trying to spin it because they’re a defensive bunch.

[Madhouse]

And nobody is calling Hayward the next bird. Again, to end this, Saric right now is not a little worse than Gordon Hayward from last season. If you don’t think that’s a homer take then yeah ok don’t expect people to take your responses seriously, superdario

Right now he is actually a lot better than Hayward. And what happens next season is tbd.

That’s not the point...we all know Hayward is injured. One Sixers fan said Hayward from last season is only a little better than Saric which is flat out wrong and I laughed over that statement and deservingly so. There’s some hurt Sixers fan responding to my reply trying to spin it because they’re a defensive bunch.

true

[SmartWentCrazy]

Can we please stop overrating Dario Saric? Im a guy whos said he has all-star potential and that its possible that he could one day put up numbers similar to present day Blake Griffin in the right system as the top option.

But today? To call him a little worse than Hayward? Laughable take. Hes worlds behind Hayward as a player. Lets be serious now.

Not this season.

Remember - the best ability is availability.

Got it, so Semi Ojeyle is better than Fultz in your opinion?

[SmartWentCrazy]

Can we please stop overrating Dario Saric? Im a guy whos said he has all-star potential and that its possible that he could one day put up numbers similar to present day Blake Griffin in the right system as the top option.

But today? To call him a little worse than Hayward? Laughable take. Hes worlds behind Hayward as a player. Lets be serious now.

Hayward was a fringe top 30 player pre-injury, let's not go overboard here.

And where do you rank Saric?

[ric munchn]

The Celtics (healthy lineup) of Hayward, Tatum, Kyrie, Brown, Horford on paper is better than the sixers lineup of Reddick, Simmons, embiid, saric, Covington

For the future. It depends on how the best players of each teams play. Cause if Simmons and Embiid perform at max level (aka playoff Lebron). Having the two best players playing at max level with beat any max level of the Celtics starting 5.

But chances are embiid/Simmons won’t perform at max level every game. So the core Celtics likely have the best regular season record next year. I expect them to win 58-63 games with a healthy roster.

Sixers will be between 49-55 games (in my opinion)

Reallly depends how these teams beat up on lesser/tanking teams.

Like Toronto having the best record in the east primarily destroying tanking/losing teams. Toronto was like 34-2 against those teams. So Toronto only needs to go .500 against winning teams.

Celtics will be more consistent.

Now when it comes playoffs time. If embiid/Simmons perform to max level. I think sixers are favored over max performing Celtics healthy team.

Like how max performing Lebron is willing cavaliers over pacers who are clearly the better team. But max Lebron is better than the pacers team performance.

Usually that is the case but teams like the pistons, warriors in 2015 and spurs have beaten superior talents. And Shaq and Kobe are so much better than billups and sheed. If you wanna say embiid and Simmons are better than kyrie and Hayward(which remains to be seen) it’s not by that margin and the rest is clearly better for the Celtics. Not to mention brown or Tatum could be one of our two best players going forward.

You still don't have a front court. Horford turns 32 in June and you got great play out of Baynes. You have a 2.9% chance to get a two or three pick in this year's draft. Not likely, but possible. More problematic, Horford's $30 mil doesn't come off the books until after the 2019-2020 season. If Embiid stays healthy, who defends him? Yes, Embiid turns the ball over more than he should, but he's a good passer and he makes more than 75% of his free throws - and he's a magnet for drawing fouls.

It’s all nonsense at this point. You don’t know what either Team will look like next year let alone 3 years from now. Maybe we will have a good big, maybe embiid will be hurt, maybe kyrie and Hayward never get healthy and play well, maybe LeBron goes to philly. This year sixers will win if the celts make it. Next year I’ll predict next year. Both have very bright futures and are set up to be good, we will see how many titles if any either of them win. Neither team is set as well as OKC was five years ago and look at them now.

[Mik317]

Can we please stop overrating Dario Saric? Im a guy whos said he has all-star potential and that its possible that he could one day put up numbers similar to present day Blake Griffin in the right system as the top option.

But today? To call him a little worse than Hayward? Laughable take. Hes worlds behind Hayward as a player. Lets be serious now.

Not this season.

Remember - the best ability is availability.

Got it, so Semi Ojeyle is better than Fultz in your opinion?

I think you are missing the point/joke here....

we have heard the same **** about availability being the best skill regarding Embiid and Simmons for the last 3 years.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Damn that’s the best response you can come up with after asking for links? Hold this L

You posted a link that ranked Ty Lawson as a top 20 player in the league. I can't imagine taking a bigger L than that.

Oh well, I’ll still take cbs rankings for whatever yours (probably have Simmons and Embiid in your top 8) But hey the the other 3 still had Hayward in their top 20. You probably thought I was making up the rankings I’ve seen so after being proven wrong, your best response had nothing to do with the facts. Again, hold this L.

I didn't ask you to share links as "proof" I asked you to share links so I could evaluate credibility, and the links you shared have very little. Nothing sums that up better than calling Ty Lawson a top 20 player.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Can we please stop overrating Dario Saric? Im a guy whos said he has all-star potential and that its possible that he could one day put up numbers similar to present day Blake Griffin in the right system as the top option.

But today? To call him a little worse than Hayward? Laughable take. Hes worlds behind Hayward as a player. Lets be serious now.

Hayward was a fringe top 30 player pre-injury, let's not go overboard here.

And where do you rank Saric?

Probably in the 50-60 range, but the reality is the gap between 30 and 50 is much smaller than the gap between 30 and 10.

[76thBearCub]

I'm rooting for the Celtics. I want to see just how contentious this thing can get.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Hayward was a fringe top 30 player pre-injury, let's not go overboard here.

And where do you rank Saric?

Probably in the 50-60 range, but the reality is the gap between 30 and 50 is much smaller than the gap between 30 and 10.

The reality is that Hayward was the 21st best player per all NBA votes last year. Saric wont come close to receiving any. Dismissing this is comical.

[GeorgeMarcus]

And where do you rank Saric?

Probably in the 50-60 range, but the reality is the gap between 30 and 50 is much smaller than the gap between 30 and 10.

The reality is that Hayward was the 21st best player per all NBA votes last year. Saric wont come close to receiving any. Dismissing this is comical.

Ahead of guys like Lillard, Jokic and Kyrie which I passionately disagree with. Saric would likely put up ~20ppg on last year's Jazz team. People make the mistake of attributing too much of their success to Hayward last year/Mitchell this year when Gobert is the anchor to their success.

[PierceFan4ever]

You posted a link that ranked Ty Lawson as a top 20 player in the league. I can't imagine taking a bigger L than that.

Oh well, I’ll still take cbs rankings for whatever yours (probably have Simmons and Embiid in your top 8) But hey the the other 3 still had Hayward in their top 20. You probably thought I was making up the rankings I’ve seen so after being proven wrong, your best response had nothing to do with the facts. Again, hold this L.

I didn't ask you to share links as "proof" I asked you to share links so I could evaluate credibility, and the links you shared have very little. Nothing sums that up better than calling Ty Lawson a top 20 player.

Oh dang define credibility in an opinionated based article ranking players? All I know is Espn, sports Illustrated, cbs, and the Washington post is good enough. I mean most people bring up ESPN and Sports Illustrated related things here all the time. I would surely take their take over what seems like a bias Sixers fan. Like I said, you can choose to ignore that link and focus on the other 3 that had Hayward in their top 20 after when you asked me to show you links. If you think Hayward is 30 or worse so be it, just saying the majority as proven unless you have links (which I highly doubt) has Hayward in their top 20. So show me your links if you got any? If not, then I already showed enough for you to take this L.

And the main point still stands, Hayward from last year is not only a little better than Dario Saric right now. I’m sorry #1 Dario fan you got hurt over me laughing but that’s the truth and even one Sixers fan here agreed. It’s not to say I think of Dario as a bad player, he’s solid but he’s not near what Hayward was last year who was an all star in the West and took his underdog team to beat the clippers with Gobert missing nearly the whole series. He even put up great numbers against the Warriors. So no, Saric this year is not close to Hayward last year. If you can’t agree on that, then I think of you as a homer and I don’t take any of your posts seriously. Buhbye

[bebopdeluxe]

Can we please stop overrating Dario Saric? Im a guy whos said he has all-star potential and that its possible that he could one day put up numbers similar to present day Blake Griffin in the right system as the top option.

But today? To call him a little worse than Hayward? Laughable take. Hes worlds behind Hayward as a player. Lets be serious now.

Not this season.

Remember - the best ability is availability.

Got it, so Semi Ojeyle is better than Fultz in your opinion?

We don't need to get into a silly smackfest here. I respect you as a poster.

Obviously, Hayward has done more in his career than Saric. Before the season started, I would agree that this is a joke comparison. However, the combination of 1) Hayward playing exactly FIVE MINUTES this season and 2) Saric having a solid sophomore campaign (including being part of the best starting 5 in the league) has narrowed that gap. If Hayward comes back next season as at least 85-90% of the player he was before he got hurt, there is still a gap...but I would like to see the guy who missed an entire season to injury actually come back and play before I am on board with that.

Fair?