California passes law to allow student-athletes to make money off endorsements

[LKN]

The NCAA is garbage... I can't believe anyone is defending them. Here are the kind of insane restrictions they put on student athletes:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/most-ridiculous-silly-insane-ncaa-violations-college-basketball/d9btttfwi4zy1e28c86oaap2k

1. Perry Jones' mother's loan
The sentence: A six-game suspension at the end of Jones' freshman year. He served five of those games at the beginning of his sophomore year.

The infraction: Jones' mother, Terri, took a $4,500 loan (without Jones' knowledge) from his old AAU coach, Lawrence Johns.

Let us explain: While finishing out his senior year of high school, Jones was essentially homeless.

The bank had foreclosed on his family's home because the family, struggling under the weight of his mother's medical bills as she battled a severe heart condition, couldn't make the mortgage payments. The Joneses were able to rent cheap hotel rooms by the week for a while, and then the money ran out.

That's when Terri reached out to Jones' former AAU coach, Johns. She asked if he could float some money — three monthly payments of $1,195 — to put toward the mortgage on the family's house and keep them off the streets.

Here's the catch, though. Terri paid those loans back, and she did it by the 15th of the same month.

"Basically, I got suspended because we were struggling, and my mom didn't want us to live on the streets," Jones told ESPN in 2012. "We were down to nothing and someone helped us out. I always ask people, 'If you were in that situation, and you didn't have a place to stay, would you ask someone you'd known since the sixth grade for a little help?' Everyone knows they would."


5. Rick Majerus' proclivity for pizza-sharing
The sentence: Majerus had to attend a regional compliance seminar hosted by the NCAA. They also reduced the number of days he could spend recruiting on the road prior to the 2001-02 season by 75 percent.

The infraction: Majerus paid for pizza for his student-athletes after practice or during film sessions. He also occasionally met one-on-one with players at restaurants and paid for the meal.

Let us explain: Majerus lived in a hotel while coaching at Utah so rather than meet his players in the room, he'd meet them at local restaurants. They'd have dinner, and Majerus would pay the bill. No different, really, than visiting your parents or friends or relatives, except for one damning detail: the guy paying the bill also happened to be a coach.

Former Utes player Keith Van Horn explained the significance of meals with Majerus in a 2013 interview.

"After more than three hours of eggs and wisdom, Majerus picked up the check -- 'That was probably an NCAA violation,' Van Horn says, only half-joking -- and they headed back out into the cold. Van Horn felt different, almost physically changed by his predawn breakfast, as though he had sat down at the table as one person and risen as another. Now he truly knew how hard three and a half hours could be."



6. UNLV player buys used mattress
The sentence: UNLV forward Chris Richardson was suspended for part of his junior season in 1998.

The infraction: Richardson allegedly lied to NCAA investigators about how he acquired a used mattress and boxspring from an assistant coach.

Let us explain: When the NCAA questioned Richardson about how he acquired the mattress, he said his mom paid for him to buy it from an assistant coach. His mother also told the school that she paid for it. Richardson failed to inform the investigators that he used a moving truck provided to him by the same assistant coach to transport the mattress, the Las Vegas Sun reported in 2000.

[clyde21]

They watch it because it's amateur sports. If the NCAA becomes a professional league people and viewed separate from the university/college people will tune out.

I hope the NCAA does leave cali if the schools want to set up their own professional league let them - they will fail.

imagine being the type of person that would stop watching just because players are finally able to make money off their own names.

They aren't making money off their own names though they are making money off their association with the school and the NCAA. If they were making money off their own name then they should be fine waiting until after they graduate

And yes as a professional sports league the NCAA would fail and fail miserably it survives under the facade it is still an amateur sports organization everybody knows the product itself is vastly inferior to that of the NFL, MLB, and NBA. They continue to watch because there is something special about amateur sports and seeing kids play for essentially what is the love of the game and a scholarship.

No sports fan has the same attachment to their local sports team as they do to their college team.

no, they were making money off their own names. no one was watching Duke last year to watch Jack White, Marques Boldin and Alex O'Connell...they were watching Duke to see Zion, Cam and RJ. people were paying tickets to watch those guys play, people would be lining up outside stores to get THESE guys' autos, specifically. you understand the difference?

and your argument can be extrapolated to the NBA...should we stop players from making money from endorsements because they're affiliated with the NBA?

[clyde21]

Because not every player is Lebron James who was a fully functioning adult at age 16.

Not many college students are 16. The bill also allows student-athletes to have agents that are licensed in California. In spite of how many RealGMers view agents, they can be a valuable aid, especially to an inexperienced college-age athlete.

I know what the bill is. I was making an analogy to one of the major supporters of the bill who also would've benefitted from this bill had it been passed when he was 16.

oh no!

[clyde21]

The NCAA is garbage... I can't believe anyone is defending them. Here are the kind of insane restrictions they put on student athletes:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/most-ridiculous-silly-insane-ncaa-violations-college-basketball/d9btttfwi4zy1e28c86oaap2k

1. Perry Jones' mother's loan
The sentence: A six-game suspension at the end of Jones' freshman year. He served five of those games at the beginning of his sophomore year.

The infraction: Jones' mother, Terri, took a $4,500 loan (without Jones' knowledge) from his old AAU coach, Lawrence Johns.

Let us explain: While finishing out his senior year of high school, Jones was essentially homeless.

The bank had foreclosed on his family's home because the family, struggling under the weight of his mother's medical bills as she battled a severe heart condition, couldn't make the mortgage payments. The Joneses were able to rent cheap hotel rooms by the week for a while, and then the money ran out.

That's when Terri reached out to Jones' former AAU coach, Johns. She asked if he could float some money — three monthly payments of $1,195 — to put toward the mortgage on the family's house and keep them off the streets.

Here's the catch, though. Terri paid those loans back, and she did it by the 15th of the same month.

"Basically, I got suspended because we were struggling, and my mom didn't want us to live on the streets," Jones told ESPN in 2012. "We were down to nothing and someone helped us out. I always ask people, 'If you were in that situation, and you didn't have a place to stay, would you ask someone you'd known since the sixth grade for a little help?' Everyone knows they would."


5. Rick Majerus' proclivity for pizza-sharing
The sentence: Majerus had to attend a regional compliance seminar hosted by the NCAA. They also reduced the number of days he could spend recruiting on the road prior to the 2001-02 season by 75 percent.

The infraction: Majerus paid for pizza for his student-athletes after practice or during film sessions. He also occasionally met one-on-one with players at restaurants and paid for the meal.

Let us explain: Majerus lived in a hotel while coaching at Utah so rather than meet his players in the room, he'd meet them at local restaurants. They'd have dinner, and Majerus would pay the bill. No different, really, than visiting your parents or friends or relatives, except for one damning detail: the guy paying the bill also happened to be a coach.

Former Utes player Keith Van Horn explained the significance of meals with Majerus in a 2013 interview.

"After more than three hours of eggs and wisdom, Majerus picked up the check -- 'That was probably an NCAA violation,' Van Horn says, only half-joking -- and they headed back out into the cold. Van Horn felt different, almost physically changed by his predawn breakfast, as though he had sat down at the table as one person and risen as another. Now he truly knew how hard three and a half hours could be."



6. UNLV player buys used mattress
The sentence: UNLV forward Chris Richardson was suspended for part of his junior season in 1998.

The infraction: Richardson allegedly lied to NCAA investigators about how he acquired a used mattress and boxspring from an assistant coach.

Let us explain: When the NCAA questioned Richardson about how he acquired the mattress, he said his mom paid for him to buy it from an assistant coach. His mother also told the school that she paid for it. Richardson failed to inform the investigators that he used a moving truck provided to him by the same assistant coach to transport the mattress, the Las Vegas Sun reported in 2000.

**** crooks. anyone defending these vampires should be thrown in jail along side them.

[LKN]

imagine being the type of person that would stop watching just because players are finally able to make money off their own names.

They aren't making money off their own names though they are making money off their association with the school and the NCAA. If they were making money off their own name then they should be fine waiting until after they graduate

And yes as a professional sports league the NCAA would fail and fail miserably it survives under the facade it is still an amateur sports organization everybody knows the product itself is vastly inferior to that of the NFL, MLB, and NBA. They continue to watch because there is something special about amateur sports and seeing kids play for essentially what is the love of the game and a scholarship.

No sports fan has the same attachment to their local sports team as they do to their college team.

no, they were making money off their own names. no one was watching Duke last year to watch Jack White, Marques Boldin and Alex O'Connell...they were watching Duke to see Zion, Cam and RJ. people were paying tickets to watch those guys play, people would be lining up outside stores to get THESE guys' autos, specifically. you understand the difference?

and your argument can be extrapolated to the NBA...should we stop players from making money from endorsements because they're affiliated with the NBA?

I think it's a little of both (but mostly about the player)... but let's be serious here. If it were all about the school then Zion and Jack White would get around the same endorsement offers. Does anyone on earth think that would happen?

For a big enough team the role players could probably make some money though. During the 2nd 3-peat Chicago area McDonalds had a "Beef Wennington" sandwich. I'm guessing that role players at places like Duke could probably do similar things (although guys like Zion would be getting the lion's share of the endorsement offers).

[NBAFan93]

imagine being the type of person that would stop watching just because players are finally able to make money off their own names.

They aren't making money off their own names though they are making money off their association with the school and the NCAA. If they were making money off their own name then they should be fine waiting until after they graduate

And yes as a professional sports league the NCAA would fail and fail miserably it survives under the facade it is still an amateur sports organization everybody knows the product itself is vastly inferior to that of the NFL, MLB, and NBA. They continue to watch because there is something special about amateur sports and seeing kids play for essentially what is the love of the game and a scholarship.

No sports fan has the same attachment to their local sports team as they do to their college team.

no, they were making money off their own names. no one was watching Duke last year to watch Jack White, Marques Boldin and Alex O'Connell...they were watching Duke to see Zion, Cam and RJ. people were paying tickets to watch those guys play, people would be lining up outside stores to get THESE guys' autos, specifically. you understand the difference?

and your argument can be extrapolated to the NBA...should we stop players from making money from endorsements because they're affiliated with the NBA?

That might be true about Zion giving them a boost, but honestly, Duke has had a long college basketball history outside of any one player and coach K is just as big...college basketball is not as much of a “star driven league” as many on here think. It’s more about the coaches and the programs.

You think NCAA and the the names you think of are coaches first - not really players unless they are someone like Grayson Allen who sticks around for a while.

[Wammy Giveaway]

NCAA is a c3 association of other c3 organizations (colleges and universities). They otherwise wouldn't meet the independent requirements for c3 public charity status. And the universities are not in danger of losing their c3 status if the players are paid for endorsements or are even paid a reasonable salary. Doesn't change the character of the university, the same way that the NCAA paying its executives tens of millions doesn't change their c3 status.

NFL is a 501(c)(6) business league (also a dubious designation) because each of its members is a for-profit enterprise. Universities will not be transformed into a for-profit simply by way of paying reasonable compensation to a very small segment of their overall operations. They would still retain an exclusive educational purpose.

The irony in these classifications is that the higher ups in NCAA want to act like a 501(c)(6) business league by using its c3 association rules on its players.

I just had this thought to go with this post. Let's say NCAA uses the Death Penalty on California colleges and every other institutions who are against the NCAA's archaic rules. They can taken scholarships away, ban them from postseason competition, or outright shut their divisions down. One practice I've not seen based on my limited research is the barring of a sport practice upon disassociation. In other words, NCAA could, if they wanted to, impose a rule in which once they are kicked out, said colleges will be barred from ever practicing said sport in any form. And to ensure this, they copyright the sport.

Pretend UCLA is the first causality, and one of the sports they continue to practice is basketball. With a copyright, NCAA could ask for a preliminary injunction against the college because of the NCAA's Death Penalty stipulation, therefore they're stealing. This is where the courts come in, and how this case might go all the way to the Supreme Court, where a judge can officially force a precedent as well as modifications to any federal laws that might bear an effect, possibly an amendment or article within the U.S. constitution itself.

Once California officially signs the act into law, there will be a big fight ahead. And if this goes all the way to the Supreme Court, the future of sports in the U.S. could be changed... forever.

[LKN]

The NCAA is garbage... I can't believe anyone is defending them. Here are the kind of insane restrictions they put on student athletes:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/most-ridiculous-silly-insane-ncaa-violations-college-basketball/d9btttfwi4zy1e28c86oaap2k

1. Perry Jones' mother's loan
The sentence: A six-game suspension at the end of Jones' freshman year. He served five of those games at the beginning of his sophomore year.

The infraction: Jones' mother, Terri, took a $4,500 loan (without Jones' knowledge) from his old AAU coach, Lawrence Johns.

Let us explain: While finishing out his senior year of high school, Jones was essentially homeless.

The bank had foreclosed on his family's home because the family, struggling under the weight of his mother's medical bills as she battled a severe heart condition, couldn't make the mortgage payments. The Joneses were able to rent cheap hotel rooms by the week for a while, and then the money ran out.

That's when Terri reached out to Jones' former AAU coach, Johns. She asked if he could float some money — three monthly payments of $1,195 — to put toward the mortgage on the family's house and keep them off the streets.

Here's the catch, though. Terri paid those loans back, and she did it by the 15th of the same month.

"Basically, I got suspended because we were struggling, and my mom didn't want us to live on the streets," Jones told ESPN in 2012. "We were down to nothing and someone helped us out. I always ask people, 'If you were in that situation, and you didn't have a place to stay, would you ask someone you'd known since the sixth grade for a little help?' Everyone knows they would."


5. Rick Majerus' proclivity for pizza-sharing
The sentence: Majerus had to attend a regional compliance seminar hosted by the NCAA. They also reduced the number of days he could spend recruiting on the road prior to the 2001-02 season by 75 percent.

The infraction: Majerus paid for pizza for his student-athletes after practice or during film sessions. He also occasionally met one-on-one with players at restaurants and paid for the meal.

Let us explain: Majerus lived in a hotel while coaching at Utah so rather than meet his players in the room, he'd meet them at local restaurants. They'd have dinner, and Majerus would pay the bill. No different, really, than visiting your parents or friends or relatives, except for one damning detail: the guy paying the bill also happened to be a coach.

Former Utes player Keith Van Horn explained the significance of meals with Majerus in a 2013 interview.

"After more than three hours of eggs and wisdom, Majerus picked up the check -- 'That was probably an NCAA violation,' Van Horn says, only half-joking -- and they headed back out into the cold. Van Horn felt different, almost physically changed by his predawn breakfast, as though he had sat down at the table as one person and risen as another. Now he truly knew how hard three and a half hours could be."



6. UNLV player buys used mattress
The sentence: UNLV forward Chris Richardson was suspended for part of his junior season in 1998.

The infraction: Richardson allegedly lied to NCAA investigators about how he acquired a used mattress and boxspring from an assistant coach.

Let us explain: When the NCAA questioned Richardson about how he acquired the mattress, he said his mom paid for him to buy it from an assistant coach. His mother also told the school that she paid for it. Richardson failed to inform the investigators that he used a moving truck provided to him by the same assistant coach to transport the mattress, the Las Vegas Sun reported in 2000.

**** crooks. anyone defending these vampires should be thrown in jail along side them.

The first one is particularly awful. How in the world is it the NCAA's business what financial arrangements someone's mother makes?

Funny how I've never heard of the NCAA digging into the finances of players from wealthy backgrounds.

[clyde21]

They aren't making money off their own names though they are making money off their association with the school and the NCAA. If they were making money off their own name then they should be fine waiting until after they graduate

And yes as a professional sports league the NCAA would fail and fail miserably it survives under the facade it is still an amateur sports organization everybody knows the product itself is vastly inferior to that of the NFL, MLB, and NBA. They continue to watch because there is something special about amateur sports and seeing kids play for essentially what is the love of the game and a scholarship.

No sports fan has the same attachment to their local sports team as they do to their college team.

no, they were making money off their own names. no one was watching Duke last year to watch Jack White, Marques Boldin and Alex O'Connell...they were watching Duke to see Zion, Cam and RJ. people were paying tickets to watch those guys play, people would be lining up outside stores to get THESE guys' autos, specifically. you understand the difference?

and your argument can be extrapolated to the NBA...should we stop players from making money from endorsements because they're affiliated with the NBA?

I think it's a little of both (but mostly about the player)... but let's be serious here. If it were all about the school then Zion and Jack White would get around the same endorsement offers. Does anyone on earth think that would happen?

For a big enough team the role players could probably make some money though. During the 2nd 3-peat Chicago area McDonalds had a "Beef Wennington" sandwich. I'm guessing that role players at places like Duke could probably do similar things (although guys like Zion would be getting the lion's share of the endorsement offers).

that's fine, if Alex O'Connell and Jack White can get some $$$ by signing some autos more power to them, but the real money generators are guys like Zion/RJ/Cam.

and if those top talents and money generators stop going to Duke/KU/UK etc., and instead they're playing in California or go to straight to the G-League...these schools are gonna miss out on a lot of money.

[LKN]

NCAA is a c3 association of other c3 organizations (colleges and universities). They otherwise wouldn't meet the independent requirements for c3 public charity status. And the universities are not in danger of losing their c3 status if the players are paid for endorsements or are even paid a reasonable salary. Doesn't change the character of the university, the same way that the NCAA paying its executives tens of millions doesn't change their c3 status.

NFL is a 501(c)(6) business league (also a dubious designation) because each of its members is a for-profit enterprise. Universities will not be transformed into a for-profit simply by way of paying reasonable compensation to a very small segment of their overall operations. They would still retain an exclusive educational purpose.

The irony in these classifications is that the higher ups in NCAA want to act like a 501(c)(6) business league by using its c3 association rules on its players.

I just had this thought to go with this post. Let's say NCAA uses the Death Penalty on California colleges and every other institutions who are against the NCAA's archaic rules. They can taken scholarships away, ban them from postseason competition, or outright shut their divisions down. One practice I've not seen based on my limited research is the barring of a sport practice upon disassociation. In other words, NCAA could, if they wanted to, impose a rule in which once they are kicked out, said colleges will be barred from ever practicing said sport in any form. And to ensure this, they copyright the sport.

Pretend UCLA is the first causality, and one of the sports they continue to practice is basketball. With a copyright, NCAA could ask for a preliminary injunction against the college because of the NCAA's Death Penalty stipulation, therefore they're stealing. This is where the courts come in, and how this case might go all the way to the Supreme Court, where a judge can officially force a precedent as well as modifications to any federal laws that might bear an effect, possibly an amendment or article within the U.S. constitution itself.

Once California officially signs the act into law, there will be a big fight ahead. And if this goes all the way to the Supreme Court, the future of sports in the U.S. could be changed... forever.

The NCAA doesn't have anywhere near that much authority. There are already schools that play sports outside of the NCAA umbrella. California schools could form their own athletic organizations and continue on however they would like.

In any case, if they even tried anything like that they'd face anti-trust action - they are full of bluster.. they aren't going to cut California off.

[clyde21]

NCAA is a c3 association of other c3 organizations (colleges and universities). They otherwise wouldn't meet the independent requirements for c3 public charity status. And the universities are not in danger of losing their c3 status if the players are paid for endorsements or are even paid a reasonable salary. Doesn't change the character of the university, the same way that the NCAA paying its executives tens of millions doesn't change their c3 status.

NFL is a 501(c)(6) business league (also a dubious designation) because each of its members is a for-profit enterprise. Universities will not be transformed into a for-profit simply by way of paying reasonable compensation to a very small segment of their overall operations. They would still retain an exclusive educational purpose.

One practice I've not seen based on my limited research is the barring of a sport practice upon disassociation. In other words, NCAA could, if they wanted to, impose a rule in which once they are kicked out, said colleges will be barred from ever practicing said sport in any form. And to ensure this, they copyright the sport.

[chitownsports4ever]

no, they were making money off their own names. no one was watching Duke last year to watch Jack White, Marques Boldin and Alex O'Connell...they were watching Duke to see Zion, Cam and RJ. people were paying tickets to watch those guys play, people would be lining up outside stores to get THESE guys' autos, specifically. you understand the difference?

and your argument can be extrapolated to the NBA...should we stop players from making money from endorsements because they're affiliated with the NBA?

So no one was watching Duke before Zion came ?

No one will watch them this year because they are gone ?

No one watches because of Coach K ?

You shouldn't need to go to Duke or school for a endorsement deal . Thats simply not why they are there now does that mean if Duke sells a million Zion jerseys that he shouldn't get a cut of that or course not and you certainly be able to go sanctioned event and sign autographs and be paid but there has to limits and rules because thats not really why you should be choosing to be a student athlete.

The only issue I really have with any of this is that its a amateur TEAM sport and without some real rules and guidelines it will not end well

[LKN]

This thread is full of so many dumb and ridiculous ideas and legal theories. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

Do some of you not know how to use google?

[clyde21]

no, they were making money off their own names. no one was watching Duke last year to watch Jack White, Marques Boldin and Alex O'Connell...they were watching Duke to see Zion, Cam and RJ. people were paying tickets to watch those guys play, people would be lining up outside stores to get THESE guys' autos, specifically. you understand the difference?

and your argument can be extrapolated to the NBA...should we stop players from making money from endorsements because they're affiliated with the NBA?

So no one was watching Duke before Zion came ?

No one will watch them this year because they are gone ?

No one watches because of Coach K ?

You shouldn't need to go to Duke or school for a endorsement deal . Thats simply not why they are there now does that mean if Duke sells a million Zion jerseys that he shouldn't get a cut of that or course not and you certainly be able to go sanctioned event and sign autographs and be paid but there has to limits and rules because thats not really why you should be choosing to be a student athlete.

The only issue I really have with any of this is that its a amateur TEAM sport and without some real rules and guidelines it will not end well

if you're not gonna bother reading and/or attempt to put words in my mouth, gtfo from now and save us both the trouble.

yes, people were watching before Zion/RJ/Cam...because there was other high recruits going to Duke and have been going to Duke for years...but if all those high recruits decide to go elsewhere and not play in NCAA schools, all the people not affiliated or dgaf about Duke and the other schools won't watch, and instead will watch wherever these players are playing.

if Zion/RJ/Cam never went to Duke last year and instead Duke was trotting out Marquese Bolden, Alex O'Connell and Jack White instead, do you think they still make as much money?

it's a simple concept really.

[chitownsports4ever]

if you're not gonna bother reading and/or attempt to put words in my mouth, gtfo from now and save us both the trouble.

yes, people were watching before Zion/RJ/Cam...because there was other high recruits going to Duke and have been going to Duke for years...but if all those high recruits decide to go elsewhere and not play in NCAA schools, all the people not affiliated or dgaf about Duke and the other schools won't watch, and instead will watch wherever these players are playing.

if Zion/RJ/Cam never went to Duke last year and instead Duke was trotting out Marquese Bolden, Alex O'Connell and Jack White instead, do you think they still make as much money?

it's a simple concept really.

I did read it thats why I questioned the ridiculous notion that Duke wasnt DUKE before Zion . They make money even when they suck because its Duke basically a damn household hold name in college basketball . This shouldn't have to be explained to you and all your WHAT IFS in the world doesn't change that especially when your What IFS are strictly being used to peddle your theory.

You guys bring this stuff up and often times dont have the slightest clue how any of it works and are just pushing hot takes . The majority of the stuff for Duke last year and most college teams in general are setup a year or two in advance . Duke already had tv revenue ,stadium revenue both home and away,and merchandising deals already in place before Zion even signed with them. of course Zion helped them sale more merchandise but if they sold the exact same amount they sold under the Tatum year they certainly wouldn't have been hurting for money.

It really is that simple .

[LKN]

if you're not gonna bother reading and/or attempt to put words in my mouth, gtfo from now and save us both the trouble.

yes, people were watching before Zion/RJ/Cam...because there was other high recruits going to Duke and have been going to Duke for years...but if all those high recruits decide to go elsewhere and not play in NCAA schools, all the people not affiliated or dgaf about Duke and the other schools won't watch, and instead will watch wherever these players are playing.

if Zion/RJ/Cam never went to Duke last year and instead Duke was trotting out Marquese Bolden, Alex O'Connell and Jack White instead, do you think they still make as much money?

it's a simple concept really.

I did read it thats why I questioned the ridiculous notion that Duke wasnt DUKE before Zion . They make money even when they suck because its Duke basically a damn household hold name in college basketball . This shouldn't have to be explained to you and all your WHAT IFS in the world doesn't change that especially when your What IFS are strictly being used to peddle your theory.

You guys bring this stuff up and often times dont have the slightest clue how any of it works and are just pushing hot takes . The majority of the stuff for Duke last year and most college teams in general are setup a year or two in advance . Duke already had tv revenue ,stadium revenue both home and away,and merchandising deals already in place before Zion even signed with them. of course Zion helped them sale more merchandise but if they sold the exact same amount they sold under the Tatum year they certainly wouldn't have been hurting for money.

It really is that simple .

IMO none of this really matters anyways. You are correct (at least IMO) that big programs like Duke will make money regardless. On the other hand, who does it hurt if Zion can make money off himself as well? Zion certainly elevated Duke some last year.

The fact is Duke and Zion both help each other become more valuable (Zion would actually have quite a bit more relative value if he went to lower tier basketball school - and Duke would have more relative value to a role player - who might get small endorsements if they played at Duke, but little to nothing if they played at a lower tier school). I see no problem with both parties making money off their combined success.

It's really no different than the NBA. Lebron was much more valuable to Cleveland than he was to Miami or especially to the Lakers.

[MoneyTalks41890]

if you're not gonna bother reading and/or attempt to put words in my mouth, gtfo from now and save us both the trouble.

yes, people were watching before Zion/RJ/Cam...because there was other high recruits going to Duke and have been going to Duke for years...but if all those high recruits decide to go elsewhere and not play in NCAA schools, all the people not affiliated or dgaf about Duke and the other schools won't watch, and instead will watch wherever these players are playing.

if Zion/RJ/Cam never went to Duke last year and instead Duke was trotting out Marquese Bolden, Alex O'Connell and Jack White instead, do you think they still make as much money?

it's a simple concept really.

I did read it thats why I questioned the ridiculous notion that Duke wasnt DUKE before Zion . They make money even when they suck because its Duke basically a damn household hold name in college basketball . This shouldn't have to be explained to you and all your WHAT IFS in the world doesn't change that especially when your What IFS are strictly being used to peddle your theory.

You guys bring this stuff up and often times dont have the slightest clue how any of it works and are just pushing hot takes . The majority of the stuff for Duke last year and most college teams in general are setup a year or two in advance . Duke already had tv revenue ,stadium revenue both home and away,and merchandising deals already in place before Zion even signed with them. of course Zion helped them sale more merchandise but if they sold the exact same amount they sold under the Tatum year they certainly wouldn't have been hurting for money.

It really is that simple .

They're a household name because they get the big recruits. If they can't do that, they will lose a lot of money.

[clyde21]

if you're not gonna bother reading and/or attempt to put words in my mouth, gtfo from now and save us both the trouble.

yes, people were watching before Zion/RJ/Cam...because there was other high recruits going to Duke and have been going to Duke for years...but if all those high recruits decide to go elsewhere and not play in NCAA schools, all the people not affiliated or dgaf about Duke and the other schools won't watch, and instead will watch wherever these players are playing.

if Zion/RJ/Cam never went to Duke last year and instead Duke was trotting out Marquese Bolden, Alex O'Connell and Jack White instead, do you think they still make as much money?

it's a simple concept really.

I did read it thats why I questioned the ridiculous notion that Duke wasnt DUKE before Zion . They make money even when they suck because its Duke basically a damn household hold name in college basketball . This shouldn't have to be explained to you and all your WHAT IFS in the world doesn't change that especially when your What IFS are strictly being used to peddle your theory.

You guys bring this stuff up and often times dont have the slightest clue how any of it works and are just pushing hot takes . The majority of the stuff for Duke last year and most college teams in general are setup a year or two in advance . Duke already had tv revenue ,stadium revenue both home and away,and merchandising deals already in place before Zion even signed with them. of course Zion helped them sale more merchandise but if they sold the exact same amount they sold under the Tatum year they certainly wouldn't have been hurting for money.

It really is that simple .

No one is saying Duke hasn't been Duke and no one is saying Duke will stop making money after Zion...you're argument against strawmen...it's either you're having trouble following the discussion along or misrepresenting what people are saying and pretending you're actually contributing ANYTHING here...

and if it's simple, then maybe you should actually address the question: who made Duke more money last year, Zion/RJ/Cam or Boldin/White/O'Connell? the answer should be damn obvious here...and guess what...given enough time and enough top tier recruits that will stop going to Duke...Duke is gonna end up losing A LOT of money...that is indisputable.

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And yet the exact same thing can be done nowadays with players signing in the G-League and none of them do it.

G League is not the same marketing structure. Top 4 or 5 guys in their class could sign with UCLA or Stanford, USC, still get network TV time to play, sign their shoe contract a year early, maybe even pick up some local endorsements.

Meanwhile...you don’t think a school like Arizona and possibly even UNLV goes with them? Hell Sean Miller has been organizing his players getting paid for years. They are a natural to join thus new association and walk away from the NCAA.

Plus these schools, with access to the top talent each season, could negotiate their own TV deal without having to share any of it with the rest of the NCAA? And who would stop them from sharing those profits with the players as a further enticement?

And rich boosters...they can now offer 50k, 100k, 200k “endorsement” deals to help draw top prospects to their school.

Kentucky and Pitino is going to just sit back and watch the talent go out West? They would line up next to join. Ohio St loves to find ways to draw talent to their school...count them in.

And ditto this scenario in football too.

This is how the NCAA falls apart. And why they absolutely should be worried about this scenario happening. I could see the very top guys making 500k to a million in their one season of college ball. This new association will distance its self completely away from anything the NCAA is trying to do. There will be zero notion of “amateur” basketball or football player.

Tell me, how does the NCAA try to compete with that competition model? Without loosening most of their rules themselves.

Do you understand how the system works ?

Most college athletic programs are subsidized to some degree by the school but what you are saying is that California schools will now `100% foot the bill of every sports program ? In many cases you are going to go to the taxpayer and have them, foot the bill for a 200k scholarship for a guy staying in college only one year so he can make a few thousand

How will this scholarship work ? Ever heard of fasfa ? merit or need based aid How many scholarships will the team now have 20? 30 ? I cant believe some of you think that these non profit colleges and there are a ton in California for all these guys who wouldn't qualify get onto these colleges normally to come there for a few months just to make a few bucks .

This doesn't break the NCAA or even come close its a bill passed to get the NCAA to move faster

My son plays college ball at NCAA D2 school, I understand exactly how it works. Do you? This post makes it sound like you don’t.

The NCAA doesn’t contribute to a schools scholarship funds...they only limit what they can offer. Scholarships funding won’t change a single iota. It will still come from the school as it does today, some smaller schools will still require funding assistance from the state. But there is this entire organization called the NAIA that schools and players do just fine under. This notion that it’s the NCAA’s way or the highway is a fallacy. Their empire is built on a deck of cards, and once it stops becoming the most profitable way to do business then schools are going to jump ship left and right.

FAFSA is the application most students submit when requiring federal financial aid, either Pell Grant or Student Loans. This has nothing to do with the NCAA or athletics (although athletes can apply for them as well) so I’m not sure why you brought it up in this discussion.

Absolutely it’s the top schools that would profit the most by this rule...but those same schools are also the ones that contribute the most back to the NCAA. So if they do jump ship for greener pastures, yes that puts the NCAA in jeopardy. The smaller schools, the lower NCAA D1, D2 and D3 schools could all join the NAIA if they wanted. They too have options open to them.

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I'd like to point out something I missed from the article;

Republican Assemblyman Kevin Kiley said Wednesday's vote was "a loud and clear message to the NCAA." Several Republican senators noted they had planned to vote against the bill but changed their minds after listening to the debate and, in some cases, intense lobbying from their children.

When a bill has bi partisan support, it's a huge deal. Do you know how rare that is? Other topics that unite the two parties to a 39-0 degree are things like "is murder bad"?