13th Man wrote:I don't think that anybody is hating on trans, I hope that they can all find peace and happiness within themselves as your friends did. With this said, there are a few things that bother me about the transgender initiative:
- The alarming high suicide rates - Stats do not lie, if one group is offing themselves at a rate 20+ times the average. It's like you trying to convince me that Shaq is a good free throw shooter because he hit 2 FTs in a row, but what about the overall stats? If they are all totally happy and not confused, why this alarmingly high suicide rate?
I never suggested they are all happy, they certainly are not all happy. He suggested they were all confused and depressed, which is false. He argued that Shaq never hits any free throws.
Trans people are often depressed afterward, which is far preferable to being virtually universally depressed beforehand. If we could push a button and take away the constant negative judgement they endure afterward, the prospects for happiness greatly improve. There is no perfect solution, but there are solutions.
- Parents pushing children into switching - This is mental and physical child abuse imo. Kids don't know any better and should not be subjected to this, even worse they're now starting to teach this stuff in early education so that kids could become woke from kindergarten, grade 1 or whatever. Kids are not smart or wise enough to be aware of who they should be or make these kinds of decisions, heck most don't even know if they're gay/lesbian until reaching puberty. At least the gay or lesbian are determined by genetics, that is who they are by genetic makeup.
Yeah this seems bizarre. The trans friend I have known the longest hated being a girl at age 8 or so, hated wearing girls clothes, etc, but didn't transition until well after puberty. The parents resisted but were ultimately supportive. I don't think it's at all common for the parents to ever "push their children" to transition, and if they do it seems very wrong to me.
I don't think the good science is really in yet for that genetics argument BTW - perhaps there are genetic correlations from what I've read but not enough to say that orientation was "determined" by genetics. Identical twins can have different sexual orientations.
As we know, depression is a real problem in society today, notably with the younger generation as well. What we don't want to do is falsely presenting them with an "escape route", for them become happier when this is not necessarily the most viable avenue. *please refer back to the alarmingly high suicide rates amongst members of this community.
You gotta understand that these people are wired differently, and unfortunately they are likely to be depressed afterward but certain to be depressed beforehand. There is no perfect solution. Look at gay men in countries where it is not considered acceptable. Will they ever escape depression at home? Only in fleeting secrecy...but they can leave and have far more opportunity to escape depression. My trans friend (who you'd never know wasn't always a man) has escaped depression largely because everybody treats them like a man. The others to some extent continue to suffer because they can't pull it off convincingly, but it shouldn't matter. Their depression comes (primarily) from the reactions of other people...but the potential for happiness is there, it's just that (unlike for gay people in 2019) there are no countries to move to where they will find overwhelming acceptance.
Biological males competing as females - Does this need further debate? Just look at records are being smashed and female competitors getting demolished in physical or combat sports.
Yeah, definitely no trans-women in competitive women's sports. Absolutely unacceptable. To argue otherwise is ridiculous IMO. In recreational leagues it should be acceptable--and they should be able to play with men if they'd like--because otherwise we completely deny trans people access to playing sports at any level.
I work with the military and there are a few trans members, I have no issues with them. I treat them professionally and with the respect that they deserve, however I will never acknowledge them as a person from a different gender because they are not. I acknowledge them as being trans.
Well yeah, I mean they're just people. I call my trans friends "dude" but still regard them as trans.
If I met a nice looking trans female at a bar, I could quite possibly be fooled and start to flirt with "her". Once "she" let me be aware that "she" is trans, and this better be way before the bedroom, I would simply tell "her", "It was nice talking to you, have a good evening." Simple as that, no problems there just a little bit of time wasted by me not being able to interact with real women as intended but it's all good. Please don't guilt me for not accepting "her" as a female because she's not one. I'm cool with this as long as we're all on the same page understanding the reality of the situation.
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I'm a straight male and I could never date a trans woman. They are well aware of the dating implications. They have to find that special someone...one of my two friends has found that person...but everybody goes through this in some way or another...imagine being a 5'2" heterosexual man. No perfect solutions. Unless you're a half-reasonable looking woman or an incredibly handsome man, everybody has to work hard to find options.
