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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#221 » by gmoney411 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 4:22 am

Heej wrote:Lol at the people that think the Lakers game plan will willingly include Dwight switching onto Harden LMFAO. Rockets fans been watching switches all year and forget there's all kinds of coverages such as showing at the level of the screen and pinching in on the backside until Hardens defender recovers. Some of y'all got some simplistic ass bball IQ lol


I'm not sure anybody thinks it will be willingly. But the Rockets will try multiple times on possessions to get that switch. It doesn't always happen but Howard will end up getting switched on to Harden more than a few times if he plays big minutes.
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#222 » by drosereturn » Fri Sep 4, 2020 4:23 am

I cant see Lakers losing if Westbrook doesnt punish them. Rockets have no one to stop AD, Howard.
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#223 » by lazybatman » Fri Sep 4, 2020 4:25 am

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Dwight will have zero problems guarding PJ Tucker or Jeff Green on the perimeter. Stop it. And this is where we get to, if Houston had actual real threats outside of Harden this might be an issue. But they don’t. Just a bunch of fire hydrants that are mediocre shooters. Tough to run 5 out effectively like that.


You do understand that Dwight won’t be guarding them right?

If dwights on the floor he’ll be guarding harden 100% the time and yes that’s because harden will hunt him in pick and rolls. Dwight/McGee aren’t playing anymore than 20mpg


You do realize that the Lakers don’t switch a lot right? And given Harden is shooting just 26% on off the dribble threes in the bubble, the Lakers will probably go under the screen. If Harden starts hitting then they will have Dwight hedge on to him until his defender can get back to him after going over. If Harden wants to give the ball up to PJ Tucker to make a play 22 feet from the basket, feel free. Lakers will take that all day long.

Dude, you underestimate James Harden if you think he will allow Dwight to get out of a one on one. I don't like to watch him play but AI did this to a prime 12 time All defensive team player, people like to call the GOAT. Harden's the same league, and he can pass and shoot 3s at an above average clip.
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#224 » by K_chile22 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 4:26 am

I don't think it's very likely that the Rockets win this series but so many Lakers fans are being absolutely ridiculous about why the Lakers would win. It's not going to be because the two good backup level centers on the roster, I promise.
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#225 » by Heej » Fri Sep 4, 2020 4:35 am

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Heej wrote:Lol at the people that think the Lakers game plan will willingly include Dwight switching onto Harden LMFAO. Rockets fans been watching switches all year and forget there's all kinds of coverages such as showing at the level of the screen and pinching in on the backside until Hardens defender recovers. Some of y'all got some simplistic ass bball IQ lol
There's this thing called a pick and pop that would result in a wide open three if you do that. Also lol at thinking Dwight will show on screens when he hasn't done that since he was in the magic. He doesn't leave the paint

I'm truly terrified of the pick and pop from your players that shoot 34% from the top of the key lol. Especially considering how well coached the Lakers are at stunting at the open man to mess with their rhythm. Honestly your team is low key trash at 3s all around. I'm not worried about the 1 game you guys go 20/50 cuz of all the games you're just gonna make 15 and give up like 20 transition run outs lmao.

And also please spare us all your talking out of your ass and delete your account lol. You clearly don't watch playoffs otherwise you would've seen how high Dwight was showing on Dame screens and stonewalling him. We don't need guys posting here that don't watch games and just make up stuff to try and win arguments. Can't take you seriously if you really think Dwight's just gonna play drop coverage all series
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#226 » by K_chile22 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 4:38 am

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Heej wrote:Lol at the people that think the Lakers game plan will willingly include Dwight switching onto Harden LMFAO. Rockets fans been watching switches all year and forget there's all kinds of coverages such as showing at the level of the screen and pinching in on the backside until Hardens defender recovers. Some of y'all got some simplistic ass bball IQ lol
There's this thing called a pick and pop that would result in a wide open three if you do that. Also lol at thinking Dwight will show on screens when he hasn't done that since he was in the magic. He doesn't leave the paint

I'm truly terrified of the pick and pop from your players that shoot 34% from the top of the key lol. Especially considering how well coached the Lakers are at stunting at the open man to mess with their rhythm.
34% * 3 is 1.02 points per possession. The leagues best half court offense is 1.009. Lakers are at .944. So I mean... You should be

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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#227 » by Alkaholic » Fri Sep 4, 2020 4:39 am



Easy wins Rockets gentleman sweep
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#228 » by Heej » Fri Sep 4, 2020 4:40 am

K_chile22 wrote:
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K_chile22 wrote:There's this thing called a pick and pop that would result in a wide open three if you do that. Also lol at thinking Dwight will show on screens when he hasn't done that since he was in the magic. He doesn't leave the paint

I'm truly terrified of the pick and pop from your players that shoot 34% from the top of the key lol. Especially considering how well coached the Lakers are at stunting at the open man to mess with their rhythm.
34% * 3 is 1.02 points per possession. The leagues best half court offense is 1.09. Lakers are at .944. So I mean... You should be

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Nah we good off your posts brah you think Dwight's finna play drop coverage all series. You exposed yourself already. Come back after watching the Portland series my guy
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#229 » by GSP » Fri Sep 4, 2020 4:45 am

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LOL look at how small the sample size and time of possession

dont let that fool u into thinking Tucker or Jeff Green are gonna be able to do anything to Ad this series :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#230 » by K_chile22 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 4:46 am

Heej wrote:
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Heej wrote:I'm truly terrified of the pick and pop from your players that shoot 34% from the top of the key lol. Especially considering how well coached the Lakers are at stunting at the open man to mess with their rhythm.
34% * 3 is 1.02 points per possession. The leagues best half court offense is 1.09. Lakers are at .944. So I mean... You should be

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Nah we good off your posts brah you think Dwight's finna play drop coverage all series. You exposed yourself already. Come back after watching the Portland series my guy
Ah you mean the one where he only played 70 non garbage time minutes and put up a -27 on/off (defense being 10 points per 100 worse when he was on)? That series? Ok will do, it'll be an exciting 14 minutes per game
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#231 » by TheGOATRises007 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 4:57 am

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You do understand that Dwight won’t be guarding them right?

If dwights on the floor he’ll be guarding harden 100% the time and yes that’s because harden will hunt him in pick and rolls. Dwight/McGee aren’t playing anymore than 20mpg


You do realize that the Lakers don’t switch a lot right? And given Harden is shooting just 26% on off the dribble threes in the bubble, the Lakers will probably go under the screen. If Harden starts hitting then they will have Dwight hedge on to him until his defender can get back to him after going over. If Harden wants to give the ball up to PJ Tucker to make a play 22 feet from the basket, feel free. Lakers will take that all day long.

Dude, you underestimate James Harden if you think he will allow Dwight to get out of a one on one. I don't like to watch him play but AI did this to a prime 12 time All defensive team player, people like to call the GOAT. Harden's the same league, and he can pass and shoot 3s at an above average clip.


Harden is apparently in the same league as MJ :lol:

Your obsession with downplaying MJ is hilarious.

And I say that as even a Harden fan lately.
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#232 » by Dr Aki » Fri Sep 4, 2020 4:57 am

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This is based on their RAPTOR player rankings - which say the Rockets are "more talented" top to bottom than the Lakers, including having Harden ranked higher than Lebron, of which of course is heavily influenced by the regular season up to this point.

Switch it over to the ELO team rankings, which say the Lakers are, as a team, playing at a 65 points higher ELO rating and the percentages swap around (RAPTOR: Hou:64%, LA:36% versus ELO: LA 65%, Hou: 35%), probably heavily influenced by the Lakers easily dispatching of Portland (who was playing incredibly well in the re-seeding games) and Houston failing to put OKC away in convincing manner.
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#233 » by lazybatman » Fri Sep 4, 2020 5:03 am

gmoney411 wrote:
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Nacho Bidness wrote:Lol Dwight can't defend on the perimeter. I saw plenty of him here. How do you expect me to take you serious? AD can but it's gonna depend on who. I wouldn't want him on Russ or Harden too often.


I say again Dwight and McGee are gonna play less than 20 mins combined in this series. They're both here to cheer lead the Lakers, not play against small ball. Dwight could've been productive, if he didn't pick up a foul for every 2 minutes on the floor, but well..

AD and Lebron, and 6'11 and 6'9 are average and good respectively at the perimeter D, and great at rim defense. Harden and Eric Gordon are gonna torch both of them and some of the Laker guards on some switches(Key word being - SOME) And we're gonna miss Avery Bradley so bad.

That said, AD is gonna just walk to 35-13-5 stat lines a game. Rockets don't have a shout against him, except maybe Tucker in the post sometimes. And then whose gonna guard Lebron. This is a terrible match up for them. Rockets don't have a shout outside of getting crazy hot from 3 in the fourth, while the Lakers are gonna feast at the rim with double digit rebounding advantages.

Rockets wanted the Clips in the semis, and the Clips wanted to avoid them at all costs for a reason.


The Rockets did not want the Clippers. They have two elite perimeter defenders and matchup perfectly with the Rockets when they go small. The Rockets would much rather take their chances exploiting switches on the Lakers bigs.

Eh.. can't disagree about their perimeter defensive prowess. Not saying they're winning against either LA team.

I just think they would've matched up better with the Clips, considering the lack of rim protection once they punish Zubac, and how their stocky smalls(Harden, Tucker, Eric Gordon and Austin Rivers) are able to match up against Kawhi and other combo forwards.

They are built to exploit teams who don't have agile elite bigs who can punish them offensively(extremely rare in today's game), as PJ Tucker, Harden & Gordon are underrated defenders in the post. And offensively, they leave you in a pick your poison situation -
- play a big and give them open 3s
- burn the naked defender on Harden / Westbrook, who will drive and finish / pass to the helper's man. They're both elite passers, which increases the threat.

More power to D'Antoni and Morey for creating something so audaciously brilliant, but they're still a one trick pony, which got derailed due to Harden's whim CP3 for Westbrook trade.

AD and Lebron are gonna be nightmares for this experiment on offense and defense. Lakers are not the most talented defense, but they are the most well connected one.

I believe Jazz would've been a tougher match up for Lakers, than Rockets, because of Gobert, but neither team were very good defensively in their 7 game marathon.
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#234 » by evilpimp972 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 5:06 am

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Pharmcat wrote:Lakers need to start AD and howard and pound the rock inside . Slow the game down


You do understand, they will need to defend on the perimeter after / before they 'pound the rock inside' which means 50% 3FG if not better or even worse, 3 FTs. And Dwight / McGee aren't even capable of getting 60%+ on way undersized defenders on their own, if they don't get the ball at the rim. And their lack of range means the paint(Lebron's biggest strength) is clogged at all times.

Bigs without jumpers or elite post offense are liabilities in today's game. They have no place in this series, except to give a breather to AD, where they'll be down the pecking order after Morris, Dud and Kuz.

Maybe they get a few minutes against the Clips when they play my darling boy Zuby / Harrell, but not much.

Gotta post this again, hope you will watch. Numbers tell a different story.



AD at the 5 is cool but force us to shoot many 3s we don't want this.
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#235 » by lazybatman » Fri Sep 4, 2020 5:12 am

evilpimp972 wrote:
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Pharmcat wrote:Lakers need to start AD and howard and pound the rock inside . Slow the game down


You do understand, they will need to defend on the perimeter after / before they 'pound the rock inside' which means 50% 3FG if not better or even worse, 3 FTs. And Dwight / McGee aren't even capable of getting 60%+ on way undersized defenders on their own, if they don't get the ball at the rim. And their lack of range means the paint(Lebron's biggest strength) is clogged at all times.

Bigs without jumpers or elite post offense are liabilities in today's game. They have no place in this series, except to give a breather to AD, where they'll be down the pecking order after Morris, Dud and Kuz.

Maybe they get a few minutes against the Clips when they play my darling boy Zuby / Harrell, but not much.

Gotta post this again, hope you will watch. Numbers tell a different story.

[youtube]qfTQ3dxUjpU&t[/youtube]

AD at the 5 is cool but force us to shoot many 3s we don't want this.

Sure.. your video didn't post correctly. Can you please edit / repost it? Thanks.
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#236 » by evilpimp972 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 5:16 am

lazybatman wrote:
evilpimp972 wrote:
lazybatman wrote:
You do understand, they will need to defend on the perimeter after / before they 'pound the rock inside' which means 50% 3FG if not better or even worse, 3 FTs. And Dwight / McGee aren't even capable of getting 60%+ on way undersized defenders on their own, if they don't get the ball at the rim. And their lack of range means the paint(Lebron's biggest strength) is clogged at all times.

Bigs without jumpers or elite post offense are liabilities in today's game. They have no place in this series, except to give a breather to AD, where they'll be down the pecking order after Morris, Dud and Kuz.

Maybe they get a few minutes against the Clips when they play my darling boy Zuby / Harrell, but not much.

Gotta post this again, hope you will watch. Numbers tell a different story.



AD at the 5 is cool but force us to shoot many 3s we don't want this.

Sure.. your video didn't post correctly. Can you please edit / repost it? Thanks.

Just dit it
I was surprised by the video tbh, as I thought the team were way better with AD at the 5, which is probably true but not for this match up.
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#237 » by hoosierdaddy34 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 5:33 am

lazybatman wrote:
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You do understand that Dwight won’t be guarding them right?

If dwights on the floor he’ll be guarding harden 100% the time and yes that’s because harden will hunt him in pick and rolls. Dwight/McGee aren’t playing anymore than 20mpg


You do realize that the Lakers don’t switch a lot right? And given Harden is shooting just 26% on off the dribble threes in the bubble, the Lakers will probably go under the screen. If Harden starts hitting then they will have Dwight hedge on to him until his defender can get back to him after going over. If Harden wants to give the ball up to PJ Tucker to make a play 22 feet from the basket, feel free. Lakers will take that all day long.

Dude, you underestimate James Harden if you think he will allow Dwight to get out of a one on one. I don't like to watch him play but AI did this to a prime 12 time All defensive team player, people like to call the GOAT. Harden's the same league, and he can pass and shoot 3s at an above average clip.


You aren’t going to get a switch of a team doesn’t switch. Just because Houston likes to switch doesn’t mean all teams do it. Do I really need to teach you basketball 101? The Lakers will hedge the big on to Harden and recover back to his man when Harden’s defender gets there. This isn’t hard to understand. It’s basic defensive concepts here.
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#238 » by Jkam31 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 5:48 am

hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
Jkam31 wrote:
hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
Dwight will have zero problems guarding PJ Tucker or Jeff Green on the perimeter. Stop it. And this is where we get to, if Houston had actual real threats outside of Harden this might be an issue. But they don’t. Just a bunch of fire hydrants that are mediocre shooters. Tough to run 5 out effectively like that.


You do understand that Dwight won’t be guarding them right?

If dwights on the floor he’ll be guarding harden 100% the time and yes that’s because harden will hunt him in pick and rolls. Dwight/McGee aren’t playing anymore than 20mpg


You do realize that the Lakers don’t switch a lot right? And given Harden is shooting just 26% on off the dribble threes in the bubble, the Lakers will probably go under the screen. If Harden starts hitting then they will have Dwight hedge on to him until his defender can get back to him after going over. If Harden wants to give the ball up to PJ Tucker to make a play 22 feet from the basket, feel free. Lakers will take that all day long.


Lakers won’t go under the pick stop it
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Re: WCSF: (1) Los Angeles Lakers vs (5) Houston Rockets, Part 1 

Post#239 » by hoosierdaddy34 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 5:50 am

Jkam31 wrote:
hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
Jkam31 wrote:
You do understand that Dwight won’t be guarding them right?

If dwights on the floor he’ll be guarding harden 100% the time and yes that’s because harden will hunt him in pick and rolls. Dwight/McGee aren’t playing anymore than 20mpg


You do realize that the Lakers don’t switch a lot right? And given Harden is shooting just 26% on off the dribble threes in the bubble, the Lakers will probably go under the screen. If Harden starts hitting then they will have Dwight hedge on to him until his defender can get back to him after going over. If Harden wants to give the ball up to PJ Tucker to make a play 22 feet from the basket, feel free. Lakers will take that all day long.


Lakers won’t go under the pick stop it


If Harden continues to shoot 28% on off the dribbles 3s they will. And they certainly will against Westbrick.
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Post#240 » by Jkam31 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 5:52 am

Alright the last two pages were embarrassing, really Dwight Howard lol

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