[WOJ] Pistons and Blake Griffin agree to buyout *UPDATE 3/7 Agrees to Deal with Brooklyn...

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Post#221 » by Sharcm1 » Sat Mar 6, 2021 2:12 pm

jamaalstar21 wrote:
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"I don't think you realize how bad" Griffin has been this year.

I think I've seen every minute of Roberson and Shumpert this year so far... all 83 of them! While I'll admit to MKG's poor play, I have no idea what you mean about RHJ. He was excellent for the Raps last year whenever he was in the rotation. Did you watch him play before you called me out for not watching him play?

I'm not going to hate on Blake anymore here. I like the guy and hope he recovers in Brooklyn. I assume you've watched him play a bit this year and know how limited he is currently by health. I would be very surprised (in a pleasant way) if Blake was used heavily in the rotation in the playoffs if Brooklyn is otherwise healthy. His health this year, in Detroit, made him unable to bang much in the paint. He's not going to be able to do "big" stuff unless his health improves. He mostly shot threes in Detroit, and hardly put up "stretch big numbers" at 31% from 3. However, that could change in Brooklyn if he ends up playing next to multiple starters. There's not much reason to be worried about him on offense though, since Brooklyn's offense is going to be awesome no matter what. I would be worried (if Blake is going to be in the rotation in Brooklyn) about adding another defensive liability to a defense already ranked 26th in the league.

At the end of the day, Blake doesn't stop Brooklyn from adding another vet for the minimum. No downside to this move for them. I hope Blake's health improves in Brooklyn and that he's able to be a contributor in the playoffs. He's had such brutal injury luck for most of his career, it would be great to see him get to add a healthy chapter near the end. He's developed his skillset tremendously and it's a shame he never got to combine this skill set with his peak athleticism.


I did watch RHJ last year. He was good defensively but completely gummed up the Raptors offense to the point where he cancelled out anything he did on the defensive end. That’s why you had to say “when he was in the rotation.” Shumpert, Roberson and MKG are probably looking for apartments in China as we speak.

I’ll worry about the defensive rating when another team proves they can consistently hold Brooklyn to a comparatively lower offensive rating. I actually think Blake will help defensively. This team is horrifically undersized as currently constructed.

No one expects him to be prime athlete Blake Griffin. All he has to do to crack the rotation is be better than TLC and Tyler Johnson. I think that’s well within the realm of reasonable outcomes.

Look at what happened to Batum once he had open shots and something to play for. Blake will likely perform better next to better players and like you said there’s no downside.


I'm fine with the optimism but I don't understand the details of yours or many Brooklyn fans.
Why would Blake help defensively? Why do you think he upgrades Brooklyn from a size perspective? Yes I know he's taller than Bruce Brown, but without the ability to move or jump, I'm not sure how he helps you with size. Blake pretty much played shooting guard in Detroit's offense, and on defense they had to hide him. At his peak, Blake was a bad defender, but he could hustle and bang in the paint. At his current status of health, Blake is a non-defender. He can't bang, rebound (he has the rebounding rate of a guard), block shots (he's blocked 2 shots all year) or move laterally. What are you imagining he brings on defense, or as a "big"?

I don't get the Batum comparison. Batum had a couple years of weird injuries (broken finger that later hyper extended, elbow injury, illness that lasted a while and made him lose a lot of weight, eye injury, weird migraines). He had a rough couple years but didn't sustain any injuries that are supposed to affect him long term. Not saying it was guaranteed that Batum was awesome in LA this year, as it's been a few years since he's been a productive NBA player. But there was nothing physically wrong with him in the long term. Blake on the other hand has had multiple arthroscopic surgeries on his left knee. He's injured his left knee and hamstring 6(?) different times since 2017.


Idk maybe because he’s 6,9”.
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Post#222 » by Drygon » Sat Mar 6, 2021 2:31 pm

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jamaalstar21 wrote:I was shocked the first time I saw Blake play this year. His mobility was gone. In some situations he looked like a shorter, thiccer version of 39-year-old Dirk Nowitzki. A loose ball scramble, an turnover resulting in change of direction... he looked unable to move and sometimes seemed like he was just trying to avoid getting injured. He looked like bending or changing direction was a painful thing.

Stats back it up. 0 dunks on the years from one of the best run and jump athletes ever. Bigtime career-lows in block rate, rebounding-rate, free-throw rate. Usage not even in the same universe. Only 14% of his shots come from inside 3 feet (previous career low was 27%, and for his career it's 35%).

This version of Blake Griffin has zero ability to help an NBA contender. I don't understand why a team would sign him, unless it's a make-good rehab chance like Boogie on the Lakers last year. He can't play. It would be great if he got healthy and found a way to be a productive player in some capacity... but right now... yeah why would someone sign him?


I mean you're talking about a roster spot that would otherwise go to Iman Shumpert or Andre Roberson.

What is the downside exactly?

Its certainly possible that he was tanking his way out of Detroit and will become way better once motivated. We've literally seen other players do the same things. Ex: Vince Carter in Toronto

If hes that bad you just cut him or bench him.

It doesn't preclude you from signing other buyout guys either if need be.


Not sure what the Vince example has to do with this. Vince was a healthy 27-year-old. His immediate bounce back in NJ was a surprise, but his spiraling play in Toronto was a bit of a mystery and clearly a mental issue. Blake Griffin turns 32 in a couple weeks. He's been mostly injured for the better parts of the last 6 seasons.


Vince didn't got better right after joining Nets. When you adjust for minutes played, it’s clear that Vince's level of play to start out with the Nets was almost identical similar to his production with the Raptors during those 20 games. I'd say Vince was going through a bad form.

First ten games with the Nets: 41 minutes, 20.9/6.3/3.7 on 49.8% TS
Per 36: 18.2/5.5/3.2

With the Raptors: 30 minutes, 15.9/3.3/3.1 on 47.5% TS
Per 36: 18.8/3.9/3.6
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Post#223 » by cupcakesnake » Sat Mar 6, 2021 2:48 pm

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Idk maybe because he’s 6,9”.


Yeah that helps. But not all 6'9 guys are created equal or give the same "size" advantage. Who has a better size advantage Kevin Knox, or Bam Adebayo? They're both 6'9".
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Post#225 » by mg » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:17 pm

Wow surprised Blake gave back so much in the buyout (over $13 mil). That's a nice savings for Detroit. Either Griffin wanted out desperately and/or he thinks he can recoup that money over the next 2 seasons elsewhere.

Blakes gives up 13.3 mil and will sign with his new team (Brooklyn Nets) on 13/3 (March 13).
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Post#226 » by flow » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:46 pm

HMFFL wrote:....overall I believe he handled the trade to Detroit very well. Yes, even if he didn't play much, but he still was positive, and not a cancer to my knowledge.



Confirmed. Blake was a total pro when he came to Detroit. Didn't complain, had a great attitude, and was a great teammate the whole time.

2018/19, his first full season in the D, may well have been the best season of his career. He was an absolute beast and added 3 pt range. He was a legit & worthy mvp candidate. Casey played the hell out of him and he was able to stay healthy the entire season.... until the final week & into the playoffs. A knee issue crept in, and he was done.

Not just done for the playoffs, but done. He tried selling the notion that he was healthy at the beginning of the 2019/20 season, but he was clearly limited and uncomfortable out on the floor. He was a shell of the previous year's player and was shut down. This year looked much like last year, but he put together a few good games before being yanked for trade/buyout consideration.

If Detroit was trying to compete for the playoffs, they wouldn't have put Blake on the market. But they're trying to compete for the draft while seeing what they have in their young players. Not a situation for a vet like Blake to end his career in. So the team did Blake a solid by facilitating his exit, and Blake reciprocated by leaving 13.3 on the table.

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Post#227 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Sat Mar 6, 2021 4:45 pm

jamaalstar21 wrote:
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jamaalstar21 wrote:
"I don't think you realize how bad" Griffin has been this year.

I think I've seen every minute of Roberson and Shumpert this year so far... all 83 of them! While I'll admit to MKG's poor play, I have no idea what you mean about RHJ. He was excellent for the Raps last year whenever he was in the rotation. Did you watch him play before you called me out for not watching him play?

I'm not going to hate on Blake anymore here. I like the guy and hope he recovers in Brooklyn. I assume you've watched him play a bit this year and know how limited he is currently by health. I would be very surprised (in a pleasant way) if Blake was used heavily in the rotation in the playoffs if Brooklyn is otherwise healthy. His health this year, in Detroit, made him unable to bang much in the paint. He's not going to be able to do "big" stuff unless his health improves. He mostly shot threes in Detroit, and hardly put up "stretch big numbers" at 31% from 3. However, that could change in Brooklyn if he ends up playing next to multiple starters. There's not much reason to be worried about him on offense though, since Brooklyn's offense is going to be awesome no matter what. I would be worried (if Blake is going to be in the rotation in Brooklyn) about adding another defensive liability to a defense already ranked 26th in the league.

At the end of the day, Blake doesn't stop Brooklyn from adding another vet for the minimum. No downside to this move for them. I hope Blake's health improves in Brooklyn and that he's able to be a contributor in the playoffs. He's had such brutal injury luck for most of his career, it would be great to see him get to add a healthy chapter near the end. He's developed his skillset tremendously and it's a shame he never got to combine this skill set with his peak athleticism.


I did watch RHJ last year. He was good defensively but completely gummed up the Raptors offense to the point where he cancelled out anything he did on the defensive end. That’s why you had to say “when he was in the rotation.” Shumpert, Roberson and MKG are probably looking for apartments in China as we speak.

I’ll worry about the defensive rating when another team proves they can consistently hold Brooklyn to a comparatively lower offensive rating. I actually think Blake will help defensively. This team is horrifically undersized as currently constructed.

No one expects him to be prime athlete Blake Griffin. All he has to do to crack the rotation is be better than TLC and Tyler Johnson. I think that’s well within the realm of reasonable outcomes.

Look at what happened to Batum once he had open shots and something to play for. Blake will likely perform better next to better players and like you said there’s no downside.


I'm fine with the optimism but I don't understand the details of yours or many Brooklyn fans.
Why would Blake help defensively? Why do you think he upgrades Brooklyn from a size perspective? Yes I know he's taller than Bruce Brown, but without the ability to move or jump, I'm not sure how he helps you with size. Blake pretty much played shooting guard in Detroit's offense, and on defense they had to hide him. At his peak, Blake was a bad defender, but he could hustle and bang in the paint. At his current status of health, Blake is a non-defender. He can't bang, rebound (he has the rebounding rate of a guard), block shots (he's blocked 2 shots all year) or move laterally. What are you imagining he brings on defense, or as a "big"?

I don't get the Batum comparison. Batum had a couple years of weird injuries (broken finger that later hyper extended, elbow injury, illness that lasted a while and made him lose a lot of weight, eye injury, weird migraines). He had a rough couple years but didn't sustain any injuries that are supposed to affect him long term. Not saying it was guaranteed that Batum was awesome in LA this year, as it's been a few years since he's been a productive NBA player. But there was nothing physically wrong with him in the long term. Blake on the other hand has had multiple arthroscopic surgeries on his left knee. He's injured his left knee and hamstring 6(?) different times since 2017.


Right now Brooklyn struggles with rebounding and larger forwards abusing the SGs that they have playing PF. Blake will at least be a big body that won’t be bullied down low in one on one situations by mediocre rotation forwards.

Blake’s injuries are a bit concerning but we’re not asking him to be a major contributor. He just has to play 15-20 mins a night off the bench as a playmaking stretch 4. There is significant upside though as he would allow the Nets to put 5 shooters on the floor without sacrificing much size in a Kyrie/Harden/KD/Griffin/Green lineup.
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Post#228 » by LakersLegacy » Sat Mar 6, 2021 5:05 pm

Suns... jk

Blake actually has a huge impact. He would be great on the Celtics, the Nets, the Lakers (AD is hurt, LeBron could go the way Kobe did 8 years ago and have a permanent injury playing way too much), Bucks, Warriors and even the Clippers
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Post#229 » by Ballerhogger » Sat Mar 6, 2021 5:19 pm

Ok question if Blake wins a ring this year is he HOF?
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Post#230 » by darkse1d » Sat Mar 6, 2021 7:32 pm

So summary of this thread:
Nets sign Blake griffin - Blake is injury prone and washed up and won’t help nets become contenders than they already are.

Lakers sign Blake griffin - Lakers gonna win championship hur dur
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Post#231 » by kan_t » Sat Mar 6, 2021 8:21 pm

Offensively he makes sense because big man who could pass and has some shooting ability could help any team. Not only the Nets, but also the Heat, Warriors, etc.

Defensively I don't see him as a fit for any of the contender especially the Nets which is a switch-heavy team. But that Griffin's shortcoming may be overblown when you consider him as a depth addition. Currently the Nets don't have anyone to play Green's role if Green gets hurt. Griffin could fill that role.
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Post#232 » by TheDiesel36 » Sat Mar 6, 2021 10:05 pm

Im still a bit traumatized from the end of D-Wills career and I feel this would be part 2.. He should have stayed on the Pistons, tried to get as healthy and possible and just ride into the sunset on a mediocre team. He just isnt good enough to justify putting him on the court for meaningful minutes late in the playoffs (if everyone is healthy)
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Post#233 » by ChampionRed » Sat Mar 6, 2021 10:37 pm

Sign me up for Blake Griffin all day. I’d be pissed if the Lakers or another contender got him. In limited minutes, he’s a steal for any contending team.
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Post#234 » by Han Solo » Sat Mar 6, 2021 11:28 pm

_Game7_ wrote:Blake still has allot left in the tank, he was just used wrongly in Detroit. Make no mistake, the Nets will be absolutely dominate. Dang near locks for the finals. Lakers need to make their next move their best move.

This is the worst take in this entire thread. Lmfao

Blake had free rein to play however he felt like. Casey let Blake be Blake.

He wasn’t used “wrongly”.

He’s been a shell of his former self ever since he played against the Bucks in the Playoffs.

Whatever he did to himself at the end of that year, basically finished him as a star player.

I like Blake. Classy guy in Detroit. Wish him the best. But he wasn’t used “wrongly”. Give me a break.
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Post#235 » by Han Solo » Sat Mar 6, 2021 11:33 pm

flow wrote:
HMFFL wrote:....overall I believe he handled the trade to Detroit very well. Yes, even if he didn't play much, but he still was positive, and not a cancer to my knowledge.



Confirmed. Blake was a total pro when he came to Detroit. Didn't complain, had a great attitude, and was a great teammate the whole time.

2018/19, his first full season in the D, may well have been the best season of his career. He was an absolute beast and added 3 pt range. He was a legit & worthy mvp candidate. Casey played the hell out of him and he was able to stay healthy the entire season.... until the final week & into the playoffs. A knee issue crept in, and he was done.

Not just done for the playoffs, but done. He tried selling the notion that he was healthy at the beginning of the 2019/20 season, but he was clearly limited and uncomfortable out on the floor. He was a shell of the previous year's player and was shut down. This year looked much like last year, but he put together a few good games before being yanked for trade/buyout consideration.

If Detroit was trying to compete for the playoffs, they wouldn't have put Blake on the market. But they're trying to compete for the draft while seeing what they have in their young players. Not a situation for a vet like Blake to end his career in. So the team did Blake a solid by facilitating his exit, and Blake reciprocated by leaving 13.3 on the table.

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Post#236 » by bubonicphoniks » Sun Mar 7, 2021 10:11 pm

Expected to sign with Nets.

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Post#238 » by mademan » Sun Mar 7, 2021 10:13 pm

It was expected like 2 days ago? This the same news as then?
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Post#239 » by Memories » Sun Mar 7, 2021 10:15 pm

If Nets can get a real Center, they will be golden.
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