zimpy27 wrote:SeniorWalker wrote:zimpy27 wrote:
They are a better team without Giannis than the Heatles without LeBron for atleast 2 of the 4 years of the Heatles.
You started a sentence with the word "Like", so how old are you exactly?
Criticize the content of the post, please. This isn't a grammar forum and using "like" is just a lazy manner of expressing pause in speech.
Again, you are purposefully misrepresenting the common understanding of what a superteam is. Super teams are not necessarily "deep" teams. Like, the 2011 Heat weren't deep with talent. They were stacked at the top end.
Same difference between the 2016 and 2017 warriors. The 16 warriors were not a superteam. They were a very deep team, with one superstar, two All-stars and a lot of great role players. The 17 warriors were a lot thinner, but had two MVP caliber superstar players backed by two All-stars and a thin bench. The latter was a superteam, the former, not, though a very good team. 2019 raptors, not a superteam. 2020 Lakers....not really a superteam.
There have been a lot of teams that are very balanced teams but don't have the top end punch to be a superteam.
Just....come on. This is easy to see.
Oh I edited the post with more details you may not have seen.
You have a tighter restriction for superteam than I think many. I'd say Heatles weren't really a superteam beyond the first two season since Wade had injury issues and declined but first two years were based on your assessment. I'm guessing 90s Bulls and 80s Lakers were also at points based on your assessment.
I don't mind your description of one at all, mine was always based on it having to be at least 3 players of all star level since it had the "team" in it rather than calling it a duo.
My description is 3 top 30 players, 4 top 40 players, 5 top 50 players. Fulfill any of these categories and you're a superteam IMO.
Thank you for the calm response.
We could probably argue about the details a bit. For me, a superteam is one which has at least two clear superstar/MVP level player in addition to a third star and role players. There have been teams like this across NBA history, but usually only one or two which dominate a decade.
We've seen a lot of teams with 3 All-stars on it, but that's quite different than super teams. Like the 2004-2006 pistons had 4 All-stars, but no one at the time thought they were anywhere near a superteam. Because it was about the level of star, in addition to the number. The parker, Duncan, ginobli spurs were another team with multiple All-stars which no one considered a super team. I've lived through multiple decades of NBA history now and remember well.
The first team which flirted with the superteam label in the last two decades was the 2008 Celtics but I think the designation really became clear when LeBron went to south Beach. We had not seen that degree of elite talent in their prime on the same team before. Wade and Bron are two of the greatest players of the modern era. Wade is easily a top 4 SG to ever play the game, and LeBron is top 3 player ever. Coupled with Bosh who was also a top 10 player in the league coming off a prime 24/11 season, nobody could even fathom that at the time, its why it was such a big deal in the sportsworld. Compare that to this year's bucks.....they're not remotely close. It doesn't have much to do with the rest of the roster construction, just the top options on the roster.
Actually, I don't think any of the 90s bulls teams were superteams. I grew up in Chicago during that time and calling Scottie Pippen an MVP caliber player is very generous to his reputation, to say the least. Damn good player, top 10ish but not throughout his entire career and certainly not on the level of a Wade, Curry, Harden, etc. Just not. If MJ had paired up with Hakeem, Barkley, or Shaq AND added a third top 10-15 caliber star on top of that, that would be comparable to what LeBron and KD did this past decade. This should make my view pretty clear.
Every super team (imo) we've seen has had at least two all-time juggernaut type players, plus other high level players on them. Giannis is the only player on the bucks that even sniffs that comparison, with all due respect to Middleton and jrue. Theyre just very far from that stratosphere.
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