(Thread has been bumped) SHAMS: Grizzlies Trading Valunciunas + Nos. 17 & 51 Picks to NOLA for Adams, Bledsoe, Draft Pix

[Tomazan]

JV was low key the grizz's most important player.

Thats exactly why they should have traded, where you going with JV as your best player ? Clearly they need more time and assets to improve the team, also they are doing great in recent drafts. Who knows, maybe they find 2 players more valuable than any of the involved in the trade in this year draft and the next one

Morant and JJJ are better players than him obviously. But you need veterans around if you want to win anything. JV knows his role and plays it well.
Adams isn't a bad player but grossly overpaid and you're taking on Bledsoe's toxic deal.

Disagree. JJJ is just younger so you can give him that. But at this stage of his career he is not better than JV. JJJ is soft, can't rebound the ball, his shooting is also not that great, especially from 3 PT. He might be better than Jonas in the future but now he is definitely a worse player.

[5paceman]

Are all the Griffin haters up in here? I like this for both teams.

[God Squad]

Are all the Griffin haters up in here? I like this for both teams.

I still think Griffins awful and he's going to ruin Zions New Orleans tenure. I've pretty much hated most or all his moves. These are nothing more than trade/roster clean up, which he brought on himself by signing Adams and trading for Holiday for Bledsoe. Signing Adams was a bad move from the jump, especially for those who understood and watched enough of Zions game.

[LuDux1]

Grizzlies trading Wolverine for Aquaman

[5paceman]

Are all the Griffin haters up in here? I like this for both teams.

I still think Griffins awful and he's going to ruin Zions New Orleans tenure. I've pretty much hated most or all his moves. These are nothing more than trade/roster clean up, which he brought on himself by signing Adams and trading for Holiday for Bledsoe. Signing Adams was a bad move from the jump, especially for those who understood and watched enough of Zions game.

I saw it as just getting a veteran in front of Hayes who I've always thought would take the starting position. Similar to why they got redick. Jrue was ready to go and didn't fit their timeline. They got a loads of 1sts with that(2024 1st round draft pick, a 2025 1st round draft pick, a 2026 1st round draft pick and a 2027 1st round draft pick). And now they've flipped these guys. Zion's tenure would sooner be ruined there by him being a star in a place that gets poached.

[Slim Charless]

That would be a good move for this year imo. Maybe a way to retain Zion as well. I like it.

We saw what CP3 did for Ayton's career, he would have a bigger impact on Zion's career.

CP3 leaves a finals team (who'd pay him the same) to go to the Pels for what reason again....?

Well hello sir...
MR. "I will be here after the Finals are over" then you disappeared?

Reading comprehension problems huh? Educational system is failing all over.

Go back and find my post. I said I'll be back that night win or lose... and I was right back in the thread after we lost.

In the meantime. I'd love an answer to my previous question about how and why CP3 leaves for the Pels.

[bamheat]

Another big to clog the lane for Zion....okay.

[John Murdoch]

Alot of people forget that Jonas is one of the worst defenders in NBA especially with JA.

That's why I don't understand the fit w/ Zion and the Pels. They were near the bottom in defense last season and Jonas probably makes them worse in that department.

SVG was a big part of that

[NO-KG-AI]

Alot of people forget that Jonas is one of the worst defenders in NBA especially with JA.

That's why I don't understand the fit w/ Zion and the Pels. They were near the bottom in defense last season and Jonas probably makes them worse in that department.

SVG was a big part of that

Adams and Bledsoe were an even bigger part IMO. I've defended Adams fit offensively, he really didn't hamper Zion like people keep hammering, but his FT's killed us a bunch of times, and defensively Bledsoe and Adams were the two worst starters by on/off(5.3 points worse for Bledsoe, and 3.8 points worse for Adams.) . Adams looked slow compared to previous years, we'll see if he bounces back. Bledsoe was lazy and unmotivated, and completely awful on both ends. Just flat out not playing him will make us improve a lot.

The Grizzlies were 1.3 points better with Jonas on the floor, so he was a slight positive on that end, and a much much better offensive player. The Grizz were 5.7 points worse on defense with Ja Morant out there, before people attribute Jonas' positive rating to being a starter or whatever.

Jonas is an improvement over Adams, though I think Adams will bounce back and have a better year than he did on both ends, so Memphis shouldn't have a big drop off. Anyone is an improvement over Bledsoe right now unless he gets his head and his heart right.

[AussieBuck]

I only watched the Pels for Zion but what I saw was Bledsoe being playoff Bledsoe basically all season. I think this has to be a win for the Pels on that basis alone. lol

[jefe]

I'll give our front office the benefit of the doubt for now as they have drafted well since taking over from the past administration; however, I do not like this trade for us - we gave up the best player in the deal and ate a complete turd sandwich of bad salary just to move up seven spots and pick up a late first rounder next year.

[Profound23]

CP3 leaves a finals team (who'd pay him the same) to go to the Pels for what reason again....?

Well hello sir...
MR. "I will be here after the Finals are over" then you disappeared?

Reading comprehension problems huh? Educational system is failing all over.

Go back and find my post. I said I'll be back that night win or lose... and I was right back in the thread after we lost.

In the meantime. I'd love an answer to my previous question about how and why CP3 leaves for the Pels.

I'm not the one who suggested it...just said it would be a smart move if NO could pull it off.


Bucks in 6!

[righterwriter]

NOLA got the best player and shed two player contracts that were not good for them. Only had to drop seven slots to do so.
OTOH, Steven Adams ain't a bad player and Bledsoe, for all his disappointments, is still talented and his contract is alright (only $3M guaranteed next year).

It's closer than people give it credit for. If JV makes Zion better, then its a great deal for NO.
If MEM can flip Bledsoe for a cheaper set of players, get Adams to play bully ball, and get a long term starter with updside at #10, then they are happy.

Everyone can be happy here, really.

[hauntedcomputer]

I don't get this trade for Grizz, other than they love someone at 10. NO is obviously positioning to retain Lonzo or lure Lowry. This is the only way to make sense of this weird swap.

Loving someone at 10 is like hoping that hot cheerleader actually notices the guy in the back row who never says a word, is kind of homely, and is not very smart.

[ConSarnit]

I don't get this trade for Grizz, other than they love someone at 10. NO is obviously positioning to retain Lonzo or lure Lowry. This is the only way to make sense of this weird swap.

Loving someone at 10 is like hoping that hot cheerleader actually notices the guy in the back row who never says a word, is kind of homely, and is not very smart.

Loving someone at 10 makes zero sense. It's not like this trade was made on draft day directly after the 9th pick.

"we love this guy at 10. wait, what? Orlando took him 8th? well, our plan is really screwed now"

[kan_t]

If we look at this trade only, the Pelicans get a great deal. They only move back 7 sports to dump Bledsoe which is the sunk cost of Jrue trade from Day 1. It helps to create cap space for them to be a player in FA market and more importantly, to make retaining Lonzo Ball feasible which opens the window for a S&T. Sure before this trade they could still keep Ball if they want but no team would believe that they are willing to pay the tax so they have zero leverage to discuss any S&T. Now they at least have some leverage.

They also create cap space for the exchange of Adams and JV and future cap flexibility. And JV at worst is still slightly better than Adams.

But if we take a step back, Griffin is just cleaning up the mess he has created on the Adams part. So I only give him credit to admit the mistake and move on quickly.

[John Murdoch]

Cavs should just take Mobley and try to flip Jarret Allen for Sacrementos pick

[ConSarnit]

NOLA got the best player and shed two player contracts that were not good for them. Only had to drop seven slots to do so.
OTOH, Steven Adams ain't a bad player and Bledsoe, for all his disappointments, is still talented and his contract is alright (only $3M guaranteed next year).

It's closer than people give it credit for. If JV makes Zion better, then its a great deal for NO.
If MEM can flip Bledsoe for a cheaper set of players, get Adams to play bully ball, and get a long term starter with updside at #10, then they are happy.

Everyone can be happy here, really.

I just can't see how JV will make Zion better outside of setting good screens. The best compliment to Zion is someone who can protect the rim and spread the floor. JV is the opposite of that. He's great a great pnr and post-up big. Everyone can say "well, he did great with Adams" but that's because he's a freak of nature, it's not because the situation was ideal.

I get why they did it though. JV was the only moveable piece for Memphis and they got off of 2 pretty bad deals. If they can sign someone with their cap space the Pels could come out alright.

[righterwriter]

NOLA got the best player and shed two player contracts that were not good for them. Only had to drop seven slots to do so.
OTOH, Steven Adams ain't a bad player and Bledsoe, for all his disappointments, is still talented and his contract is alright (only $3M guaranteed next year).

It's closer than people give it credit for. If JV makes Zion better, then its a great deal for NO.
If MEM can flip Bledsoe for a cheaper set of players, get Adams to play bully ball, and get a long term starter with updside at #10, then they are happy.

Everyone can be happy here, really.

I just can't see how JV will make Zion better outside of setting good screens. The best compliment to Zion is someone who can protect the rim and spread the floor. JV is the opposite of that. He's great a great pnr and post-up big. Everyone can say "well, he did great with Adams" but that's because he's a freak of nature, it's not because the situation was ideal.

I get why they did it though. JV was the only moveable piece for Memphis and they got off of 2 pretty bad deals. If they can sign someone with their cap space the Pels could come out alright.

Yeah, good points.

Where could JV get shipped off to for a more complementary piece, I wonder? Not too much demand for a key clogging big, really.

[NO-KG-AI]

NOLA got the best player and shed two player contracts that were not good for them. Only had to drop seven slots to do so.
OTOH, Steven Adams ain't a bad player and Bledsoe, for all his disappointments, is still talented and his contract is alright (only $3M guaranteed next year).

It's closer than people give it credit for. If JV makes Zion better, then its a great deal for NO.
If MEM can flip Bledsoe for a cheaper set of players, get Adams to play bully ball, and get a long term starter with updside at #10, then they are happy.

Everyone can be happy here, really.

I just can't see how JV will make Zion better outside of setting good screens. The best compliment to Zion is someone who can protect the rim and spread the floor. JV is the opposite of that. He's great a great pnr and post-up big. Everyone can say "well, he did great with Adams" but that's because he's a freak of nature, it's not because the situation was ideal.

I get why they did it though. JV was the only moveable piece for Memphis and they got off of 2 pretty bad deals. If they can sign someone with their cap space the Pels could come out alright.

Jonas can hit midrange at a very high clip, and has a budding 3 ball... but...

What people are failing to realize is that teams aren't going to stop crashing on Zion in the paint unless you have a shooter that's well above 40%. There isn't really C's outside of Towns that are going punish teams from 3 enough to make it valuable to leave Zion against 1 guy in the paint.

The fantasy of Zion running full steam into an open paint is only going to happen in small ball, death lineup style spurts. I'm all for getting more versatile 3/4 guys to run those types of things, but we'll still need a big, and there really aren't a bunch of high volume, 40% shooting bigs to go around, unless you want to abandon size and rebounding in the lane.