Joel Embiid: “We got rid of Jimmy, just to make sure he needed the ball in his hands”

[Zeno]

This whole thing proves "the process" was a bust.

I don’t even agree with what Hinkie was doing necessarily but I don’t see how you can conclude his ‘process’ failed when it was forcibly aborted (by the league) half way through and replaced with a series of horrible moves that ran counter to it.

[CobraCommander]

Ahhh that is exactly what happened. Embiid is a liar. Jimmy even made it very clear he left and not the other way around on JJ Redicks podcast last year. I've lost all respect for Embiid... he knows the real reason why Butler left but used it as leverage to pour more media and fan hate on Simmons.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/jimmy-butler-brett-brown-sixers-heat-playoffs-jj-redick-podcast

".....it seemed like Butler didn’t like what was said to him when discussions of him returning to Philly occured.

A main reason I didn’t go back was because somebody asked, ‘Can you control him?’ Like, ‘Can you control Jimmy? Because if you can control Jimmy, we would think about having him back.’ I was like, you don’t got to worry about it. S---, ain’t nobody f---ing control me. For one, I ain’t just out there doing no bulls---, but the fact that you’re trying to control a grown man, … nah, I’m cool. Because I don’t do anything that’s just drastically f---ing stupidly crazy. I do not do that. So don’t come at me with the, ‘let me try and control him.’ You good. Don’t even worry about it. … If that’s what y’all are worried about, then good luck to y’all.”

Yeah, Jimmy is going to say "I'm in Miami because Sixers dont want me"

Poor coward Simmons

So you think Jimmy Butler made up an elaborate story like this... just so he didn't feel embarrassed about the Sixers not wanting him? That's what you actually believe?

No tin foil needed....the nuance is control = keeping Jimmy from going at our fragile superstar like he did in Minnesota....


So Yeah they worried about controlling Jimmy so they didn’t end up EXACTLY where they are right now. Doc said the truth on tv and Ben and his friends were like....NO HE DIDNT ....we OUT...

Jimmy or Kobe or any of these outspoken egomaniacal truth speaking dudes gonna hurt the fragile members of any team. We all have been here on different levels....

Sheesh... I have been on teams where if you drop a pass, you’d rather go to the opposing sideline cause there is that one dude that’s gonna be on you about it....JIMMY that guy....control that man you must

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

This whole thing proves "the process" was a bust.

I don’t even agree with what Hinkie was doing necessarily but I don’t see how you can conclude his ‘process’ failed when it was forcibly aborted (by the league) half way through and replaced with a series of horrible moves that ran counter to it.

It's not shocking they aborted, they like money. Philly's a big market, he was forcing them the wrong way.

He was doing things counter productive to the leagues long term success, so he got booted. Lack of vision on his part.

[stormi]

Sixers didn't get rid of Jimmy.

Jimmy left.

Uh...thats not what happened.

Ahhh that is exactly what happened. Embiid is a liar. Jimmy even made it very clear he left and not the other way around on JJ Redicks podcast last year. I've lost all respect for Embiid... he knows the real reason why Butler left but used it as leverage to pour more media and fan hate on Simmons.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/jimmy-butler-brett-brown-sixers-heat-playoffs-jj-redick-podcast

".....it seemed like Butler didn’t like what was said to him when discussions of him returning to Philly occured.

A main reason I didn’t go back was because somebody asked, ‘Can you control him?’ Like, ‘Can you control Jimmy? Because if you can control Jimmy, we would think about having him back.’ I was like, you don’t got to worry about it. S---, ain’t nobody f---ing control me. For one, I ain’t just out there doing no bulls---, but the fact that you’re trying to control a grown man, … nah, I’m cool. Because I don’t do anything that’s just drastically f---ing stupidly crazy. I do not do that. So don’t come at me with the, ‘let me try and control him.’ You good. Don’t even worry about it. … If that’s what y’all are worried about, then good luck to y’all.”

It's this. Butler drags Brett Brown relentlessly through the entire podcast. Essentially calls him amateurish and mentions his ghost town film sessions clicking through projector slides. Jimmy liked Ben's "run it back" instagram post days after Game 7. He then filmed an entire offseason web-series dedicated to finding a home in Philadelphia for the long term future that never released after the first episode.

Then the season-exit / precursory free agent meetings happen, Butler is willing to make it work and come back because he believes in the teams talent, but Brett Brown wouldn't let go of his ego that was being challenged by a player who demanded more from him for the first time in his coaching career. Butler doesn't appreciate how he's casted as some sort of psychotic presence and decides to leave. Philadelphia max Harris instead, who had big money interest from Brooklyn before KD/Kyrie and the Utah Jazz.

It was never Ben vs Jimmy and it's kind of odd that this is the narrative that's being thrown around now. Ben has sacrificed having the ball in his hands for Shake Milton to run the offense, another ballhandler only maximizes his slashing capabilities. Him and Butler were coexisting symbiotically just fine.

[djsunyc]

Hinkie died for our sins.

hinkie created this culture that's on display today.

[JimmyPlopper]

Embiid has become one of my least liked players in the league. He puts up nice "impact stats" while his team loses in the playoffs. He is insecure, hence his jealousy of Simmons, and acting through the media shows how shallow and feeble minded he is. I can't wait for Simmons to humiliate. The main takeaway from all of this is that Embiid is a big baby, Rivers is incompetent, Morey is under the thumb of an owner who is personally an ****, know nothing about basketball, and was a personal friend and business partner of Jeffrey Epstein, who didn't kill himself. I hope the Sixers get whats coming to them after all of this. God bless Hinkie.

i took the liberty to fix the post for historical accuracy.

[TheRealKaboom]

This whole thing proves "the process" was a bust.

I don’t even agree with what Hinkie was doing necessarily but I don’t see how you can conclude his ‘process’ failed when it was forcibly aborted (by the league) half way through and replaced with a series of horrible moves that ran counter to it.

It's not shocking they aborted, they like money. Philly's a big market, he was forcing them the wrong way.

He was doing things counter productive to the leagues long term success, so he got booted. Lack of vision on his part.

Exactly. Hinkie failed because he just assumed "The Process" would be linear, static, and would survive contact with the enemy.

Hinkie should have read a little Sun Tzu and he would have learned: First, don't do that.

[Zeno]

I don’t even agree with what Hinkie was doing necessarily but I don’t see how you can conclude his ‘process’ failed when it was forcibly aborted (by the league) half way through and replaced with a series of horrible moves that ran counter to it.

It's not shocking they aborted, they like money. Philly's a big market, he was forcing them the wrong way.

He was doing things counter productive to the leagues long term success, so he got booted. Lack of vision on his part.

Exactly. Hinkie failed because he just assumed "The Process" would be linear, static, and would survive contact with the enemy.

Hinkie should have read a little Sun Tzu and he would have learned: First, don't do that.

Yes, Hinkie failed the process but I don’t think that means the process failed.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

I don’t even agree with what Hinkie was doing necessarily but I don’t see how you can conclude his ‘process’ failed when it was forcibly aborted (by the league) half way through and replaced with a series of horrible moves that ran counter to it.

It's not shocking they aborted, they like money. Philly's a big market, he was forcing them the wrong way.

He was doing things counter productive to the leagues long term success, so he got booted. Lack of vision on his part.

Exactly. Hinkie failed because he just assumed "The Process" would be linear, static, and would survive contact with the enemy.

Hinkie should have read a little Sun Tzu and he would have learned: First, don't do that.

He's was a fiduciary, he's managing other peoples assets. The whole "process" was him tanking assets.

He was crazy to think the league would allow this, he had a very myopic view. So, it's not surprising that they took him out behind the shed and ended his career.

[Sixerscan]

Yikes! Did Embiid just go from 'love to play with him' to ''We got rid of Jimmy, just to make sure he needed the ball in his hands' in like a week? Amazing. I guess the gloves, hand from mouth, and fig leaf are all off and the bare honesty (not necessarily truth, mind) is being dropped.

It was quiet for a while after Klutch made it known Maxey would go along with Ben, but since there's been an increase in media punches and counter punches.

Ben trolling by liking a tweet outlining the potential fines he faces adds another layer.

I'm surprised at how many former players are weighing in. Didn't seem like they were so clearly on one side in other similar situations.

Not sure anymore if it means this will drag out longer or will end sooner because of the latest salvos.

He liked playing with Simmons, which is why he and the team have bent over backwards over the years to accommodate Simmons. If he didn't like playing with him he would have demanded the team trade him away years ago. I'm fairly confused why people are getting this so backwards. Do you generally do everything you can to accommodate people that you don't want to keep happy?

People talking about the Butler quote is weird too. Maybe that's why Jimmy decided he wanted to move on but that's completely separate from why the Sixers decided to move on from Butler. Both sides wanted to move on and both sides had their own reasons.

[Lockdown504090]

what gets lost in all this is that embiid is in even better shape than he was at the start of last training camp. I'm really proud of how him being able to get his crap together in this regard.

[QingJames]

Because the Sixers wouldn't pay him.

Simmons went to Brett Brown after the playoffs when the Sixers had given more of the playmaking duties over to Jimmy Butler and told Brett Brown he was 'troubled' by not having the ball in his hands.

If anyone thinks that the Sixers simply moved Jimmy Butler because they didn't want to pay him and not because they were factoring in potential 'conflict' with Simmons they're delusional.

Jimmy says that even he thought it was messed up that Butler was given the ball in the playoffs over Ben. Jimmy cites a lack of leadership and a lack of weaving him and Ben together by coaching staff as the problem. He states that it was bad what they did to Ben, switching him off in the playoffs when he'd been running the offense all season. A killer for the confidence.

I think the reality of the situation just highlights the dysfunction in the Philly office. Colangelo really effed it up, Brand has been ok. I think Brown was probably the wrong coach for that team but they kept him for continuity. Talent has been mishandled.

I feel bad for Morey and Doc because they kind of just stepped into this mess too now.

It may have been 'messed up' but it was clearly the right decision. Sixers looked like they weren't going to make it to 6 games before they made the change to have Jimmy run the point. Kawhi just utterly clamped Ben and I think he was picking up 5 or 6 turnovers a game before he got moved off the ball in the halfcourt. Definitely on the Philly coaching staff for not easing the transition in playmaking duties earlier on in the season though, but BB absolutely made the right call to put the ball in Jimmy's hands more over Ben's as the series went on.

[KnicksGadfly]

This whole thing proves "the process" was a bust.

I don’t even agree with what Hinkie was doing necessarily but I don’t see how you can conclude his ‘process’ failed when it was forcibly aborted (by the league) half way through and replaced with a series of horrible moves that ran counter to it.

It's not shocking they aborted, they like money. Philly's a big market, he was forcing them the wrong way.

He was doing things counter productive to the leagues long term success, so he got booted. Lack of vision on his part.

The Sixers effed up really bad on a lot of counts and they're still in this position.

[KnicksGadfly]

Hinkie died for our sins.

hinkie created this culture that's on display today.

Hmm not entirely sure he's to blame for today, but he definitely created a shat culture.

[CraftylikeaFox]

This whole thing proves "the process" was a bust.

I don’t even agree with what Hinkie was doing necessarily but I don’t see how you can conclude his ‘process’ failed when it was forcibly aborted (by the league) half way through and replaced with a series of horrible moves that ran counter to it.

It's not shocking they aborted, they like money. Philly's a big market, he was forcing them the wrong way.

He was doing things counter productive to the leagues long term success, so he got booted. Lack of vision on his part.

More like lack of vision on the NBA's part. What Hinkie tried to do was way more beneficial to both the league and the 76ers long term success. Philly is a large market that may as well have been a small market. They had bad attendance, no interest in their televised games, no stars lining up to play there, etc. The Process revitalized the city's interest in the team and put them back on the national radar, up there with other marquee teams. There is no doubt that the league is making tremendously more off the 76ers now than they were pre-Process. Making a non-relevant team into a relevant and lucrative one will always be of the leagues top interest, especially one with a market like Philly.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

More like lack of vision on the NBA's part. What Hinkie tried to do was way more beneficial to both the league and the 76ers long term success. Philly is a large market that may as well have been a small market. They had bad attendance, no interest in their televised games, no stars lining up to play there, etc. The Process revitalized the city's interest in the team and put them back on the national radar, up there with other marquee teams. There is no doubt that the league is making tremendously more off the 76ers now than they were pre-Process. Making a non-relevant team into a relevant and lucrative one will always be of the leagues top interest, especially one with a market like Philly.

The league shares revenue, he was bleeding money. Other teams complained because he was costing them money. The league agreed.

He was making promises with no real plan or timeline. He wasn't even smart enough to save himself, I don't see why anybody puts faith in him. He had a nice slogan, other than that...he was a putz that lacked basic self preservation.

I'm not even sure you can attribute their success with his actions at this point. He only hit on Embiid, that's a horrible ratio.

[basketballRob]

Easy fix. Trade Mr. Kardashian for Mr. Butler.

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[MrBigShot]

This whole thing proves "the process" was a bust.

Hinkie didn't sign Al Horford, draft Fultz, or let Jimmy Butler go. The process never really got a chance to come to fruition because of that.

[basketballRob]

This whole thing proves "the process" was a bust.

Hinkie didn't sign Al Horford, draft Fultz, or let Jimmy Butler go. The process never really got a chance to come to fruition because of that.

Also traded hometown Mikal Bridges for some guy. Traded a bunch of pieces for Harris, so they could max him out.

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[Nate505]

Wah, he threw Simmons under the bus again, wah, he's only human, wah, he has feelings too, wah, it's so unfair to Simmons, wah.