Anthony Edwards is going to be a star

[KembaWalker]

Sure. Couldn't be anything logical right? You aren't on the radar in terms of rivalry, I'm just giving my opinion on it. Doesnt help that I have no interest in your team opposed to MIN, and each time we see LaMelo, he either does poorly or cedes control to someone else (Bridges and Martin won the game, with an assist from Oubre by getting ejected)

I think Ant is a better player on a worse team - or at least, worse supporting cast - who plays better defense (especially on-ball). They have roughly the same efficiency, but Melo gets the metrics boost for being the team's primary ballhandler. But I'll absolutely take the elite direction-changing athlete with the better pull-up 3pt shot if I'm building a team now. Way harder to find that kind of player off-ball than lead guards.

Your first paragraph makes me think you haven't been watching Melo much at all. Melo is easily the Hornets best player - I don't think you can say the same for Ant. I don't think the Hornet's cast is that much better (metrics grade them out pretty evenly). Also, Melo shoots 35.4% on 3.3 pull up 3s per game vs 34.3% on 4.6 for Ant. Catch and shoot - Melo is 41.8% on 3.8 shot per game vs 35.6% for Ant on 4.1 per game. I don't see any advantage for Ant there.

Ant definitely has the higher ceiling to me, but I don't believe he's at Melo's level right now (and the impact metrics don't either).

Definitely not saying that Melo isn't their best player, I was clearly stating what happened when we've played the Hornets this year.

I missed Melo in the rankings on that, yes he's got the edge there. But I do disagree that the Hornets arent better, and metrics do agree with me there. And even if not, just on paper.. we're talking about Gordon Hayward, Terry Rozier, Mikal Bridges, PJ Washington, Martin.. all above or around positive net ratings. The lowest rated player they have who has 500 minutes this year is Kelly Oubre, and he's not terrible (-1.7 BPM). Meanwhile the Wolves have two heavy minutes players with way, way worse numbers: McDaniels (-5.2) and Beasley (-3.1). Ant has the best player next to him (KAT) but also has to deal with a guy like DLo running the point (no idea how he's a positive OBPM with .511 TS% but player tracking *hates* him)

I dont think its particularly close, I'd much rather have the rest of the Hornets roster than the Wolves if I wanted to win now. I actually really like the Hornets roster, aside from their top draft pick this season and Kelly Oubre. The Wolves - who I've watched for 1.5 years now and really root for - have a really poorly put together roster by a deservedly fired GM. That said, if Vanderbilt ever becomes tradeable... give the W's a call

so you're OK with using BPM as way to rank their supporting casts against each other
but lemme guess, LaMelos 3.8 BPM vs Anthony Edwards 0.9 BPM doesn't tell the full story, right?

[FNQ]

Your first paragraph makes me think you haven't been watching Melo much at all. Melo is easily the Hornets best player - I don't think you can say the same for Ant. I don't think the Hornet's cast is that much better (metrics grade them out pretty evenly). Also, Melo shoots 35.4% on 3.3 pull up 3s per game vs 34.3% on 4.6 for Ant. Catch and shoot - Melo is 41.8% on 3.8 shot per game vs 35.6% for Ant on 4.1 per game. I don't see any advantage for Ant there.

Ant definitely has the higher ceiling to me, but I don't believe he's at Melo's level right now (and the impact metrics don't either).

Definitely not saying that Melo isn't their best player, I was clearly stating what happened when we've played the Hornets this year.

I missed Melo in the rankings on that, yes he's got the edge there. But I do disagree that the Hornets arent better, and metrics do agree with me there. And even if not, just on paper.. we're talking about Gordon Hayward, Terry Rozier, Mikal Bridges, PJ Washington, Martin.. all above or around positive net ratings. The lowest rated player they have who has 500 minutes this year is Kelly Oubre, and he's not terrible (-1.7 BPM). Meanwhile the Wolves have two heavy minutes players with way, way worse numbers: McDaniels (-5.2) and Beasley (-3.1). Ant has the best player next to him (KAT) but also has to deal with a guy like DLo running the point (no idea how he's a positive OBPM with .511 TS% but player tracking *hates* him)

I dont think its particularly close, I'd much rather have the rest of the Hornets roster than the Wolves if I wanted to win now. I actually really like the Hornets roster, aside from their top draft pick this season and Kelly Oubre. The Wolves - who I've watched for 1.5 years now and really root for - have a really poorly put together roster by a deservedly fired GM. That said, if Vanderbilt ever becomes tradeable... give the W's a call

so you're OK with using BPM as way to rank their supporting casts against each other
but lemme guess, LaMelos 3.8 BPM vs Anthony Edwards 0.9 BPM doesn't tell the full story, right?

lol man

First off, BPM across positions/roles doesnt translate well. Example: Klay Thompson had a lousy BPM. This is because it rewards certain archetypes, much like PER did: handlers and rebounding bigs tend to do better. Positional defenders and inside-the-arc players tend to struggle.

But as for why I reference BPM here? Because its the only stat we can both use. Unless you guys have Second Spectrum access, I cant give you guys anything you can verify

If you want me to go literally role by role on both teams and show you why the Bobcats have a better roster, I could. But you can do it too. Let me know what you find out.. or was this just for a gotcha?

[KembaWalker]

Definitely not saying that Melo isn't their best player, I was clearly stating what happened when we've played the Hornets this year.

I missed Melo in the rankings on that, yes he's got the edge there. But I do disagree that the Hornets arent better, and metrics do agree with me there. And even if not, just on paper.. we're talking about Gordon Hayward, Terry Rozier, Mikal Bridges, PJ Washington, Martin.. all above or around positive net ratings. The lowest rated player they have who has 500 minutes this year is Kelly Oubre, and he's not terrible (-1.7 BPM). Meanwhile the Wolves have two heavy minutes players with way, way worse numbers: McDaniels (-5.2) and Beasley (-3.1). Ant has the best player next to him (KAT) but also has to deal with a guy like DLo running the point (no idea how he's a positive OBPM with .511 TS% but player tracking *hates* him)

I dont think its particularly close, I'd much rather have the rest of the Hornets roster than the Wolves if I wanted to win now. I actually really like the Hornets roster, aside from their top draft pick this season and Kelly Oubre. The Wolves - who I've watched for 1.5 years now and really root for - have a really poorly put together roster by a deservedly fired GM. That said, if Vanderbilt ever becomes tradeable... give the W's a call

so you're OK with using BPM as way to rank their supporting casts against each other
but lemme guess, LaMelos 3.8 BPM vs Anthony Edwards 0.9 BPM doesn't tell the full story, right?

lol man

First off, BPM across positions/roles doesnt translate well. Example: Klay Thompson had a lousy BPM. This is because it rewards certain archetypes, much like PER did: handlers and rebounding bigs tend to do better. Positional defenders and inside-the-arc players tend to struggle.

But as for why I reference BPM here? Because its the only stat we can both use. Unless you guys have Second Spectrum access, I cant give you guys anything you can verify

If you want me to go literally role by role on both teams and show you why the Bobcats have a better roster, I could. But you can do it too. Let me know what you find out.. or was this just for a gotcha?

you could have just said "right"

[FNQ]

so you're OK with using BPM as way to rank their supporting casts against each other
but lemme guess, LaMelos 3.8 BPM vs Anthony Edwards 0.9 BPM doesn't tell the full story, right?

lol man

First off, BPM across positions/roles doesnt translate well. Example: Klay Thompson had a lousy BPM. This is because it rewards certain archetypes, much like PER did: handlers and rebounding bigs tend to do better. Positional defenders and inside-the-arc players tend to struggle.

But as for why I reference BPM here? Because its the only stat we can both use. Unless you guys have Second Spectrum access, I cant give you guys anything you can verify

If you want me to go literally role by role on both teams and show you why the Bobcats have a better roster, I could. But you can do it too. Let me know what you find out.. or was this just for a gotcha?

you could have just said "right"

I could have, but then how would I have known for sure that you arent really interested in a conversation?

Hey but did you check those numbers? Pins and needles here

[KembaWalker]

lol man

First off, BPM across positions/roles doesnt translate well. Example: Klay Thompson had a lousy BPM. This is because it rewards certain archetypes, much like PER did: handlers and rebounding bigs tend to do better. Positional defenders and inside-the-arc players tend to struggle.

But as for why I reference BPM here? Because its the only stat we can both use. Unless you guys have Second Spectrum access, I cant give you guys anything you can verify

If you want me to go literally role by role on both teams and show you why the Bobcats have a better roster, I could. But you can do it too. Let me know what you find out.. or was this just for a gotcha?

you could have just said "right"

I could have, but then how would I have known for sure that you arent really interested in a conversation?

Hey but did you check those numbers? Pins and needles here

I'm sure theres a totally rational explanation for the massive RAPTOR differentials, they just don't tell the whole story right?

[DroseReturnChi]

Any non-Warriors-centric fans willing to chime in on the Poole vs. Edwards comparison?

edwards is a much better prospect but poole reached number 2 on a contender. edwards is not a number 1 so thats a toll task.
antman does more on high usage but that doesnt necessarily mean better because it doesnt convert to wins.

[Quentin]

Poole attacks the rim the same way Clarkson does, with speed and looking to avoid contact. That projects him into always remaining only a situational slasher, he won't ever put high volume in slashing because he doesn't have enough tools to do it.

Yet he has only 1 less shot at the rim than Edwards.

Anthony Edwards averages 22.1 ppg, Poole averages 18.5 ppg on the similar efficiency as Edwards with one of the GOAT offensive players opening up the floor for him. So Edwards simply has a bigger load to carry, on a team that can't help him out offensively nearly as much as the team can help Poole.

Poole runs the backup squad and plays every minute that Curry doesn't. Their efficiency is similar... how? .588 TS vs .535 is similar? Stretching that word to its maximum.

And don't get me started on defense/rebounding/playmaking aspect of the whole story. And again, 20yo vs 22yo, compare the speed of progress and all will be clearer to you.

So, like I said earlier, Edwards is a much better defender, even though Poole is trending up a lot this year and actually grades out higher in metrics currently. Playmaking actually favors Poole as well. I compared who they were right now as a basis for their futures, not saying that they are on the same trajectory. Perhaps if you asked, instead of obnoxiously calling it delusional because you had to interpret it in the worst way, I wouldn't have to show you that these two guys shoot and pass pretty similarly, even though Edwards has more weight and can go further with driving while Poole can go further with shooting (which again, was initially acknowledged).

The two players are nothing alike, sorry that you can't see it, but it's just the way it is. One is a Jordan Clarkson type, the other is DWade/Donovan Mitchell type.

Yet they are taking a nearly identical amount of shots from different ranges. Scoring 2 guards with playmaking ability. But because they dont do it the exact same way, arent the exact same weight, arent the exact same age, you somehow took issue with that and got childish with it. That is the way it is

Wow. Edwards is beating Poole in just about every category including steals and blocks. Plus he's playing against starters, not backups. He's also not even the number 1 or 2 option on this team most of the time. Edwards is also completely different physically. You bringing up this comparison wreaks of homerism. Good job.

[FNQ]

Poole attacks the rim the same way Clarkson does, with speed and looking to avoid contact. That projects him into always remaining only a situational slasher, he won't ever put high volume in slashing because he doesn't have enough tools to do it.

Yet he has only 1 less shot at the rim than Edwards.

Anthony Edwards averages 22.1 ppg, Poole averages 18.5 ppg on the similar efficiency as Edwards with one of the GOAT offensive players opening up the floor for him. So Edwards simply has a bigger load to carry, on a team that can't help him out offensively nearly as much as the team can help Poole.

Poole runs the backup squad and plays every minute that Curry doesn't. Their efficiency is similar... how? .588 TS vs .535 is similar? Stretching that word to its maximum.

And don't get me started on defense/rebounding/playmaking aspect of the whole story. And again, 20yo vs 22yo, compare the speed of progress and all will be clearer to you.

So, like I said earlier, Edwards is a much better defender, even though Poole is trending up a lot this year and actually grades out higher in metrics currently. Playmaking actually favors Poole as well. I compared who they were right now as a basis for their futures, not saying that they are on the same trajectory. Perhaps if you asked, instead of obnoxiously calling it delusional because you had to interpret it in the worst way, I wouldn't have to show you that these two guys shoot and pass pretty similarly, even though Edwards has more weight and can go further with driving while Poole can go further with shooting (which again, was initially acknowledged).

The two players are nothing alike, sorry that you can't see it, but it's just the way it is. One is a Jordan Clarkson type, the other is DWade/Donovan Mitchell type.

Yet they are taking a nearly identical amount of shots from different ranges. Scoring 2 guards with playmaking ability. But because they dont do it the exact same way, arent the exact same weight, arent the exact same age, you somehow took issue with that and got childish with it. That is the way it is

Wow. Edwards is beating Poole in just about every category including steals and blocks. Plus he's playing against starters, not backups. He's also not even the number 1 or 2 option on this team most of the time. Edwards is also completely different physically. You bringing up this comparison wreaks of homerism. Good job.

The Wolves fans who keep thinking its a comparison about the future really need to understand the context.

Poole is starting too, and yes, he's the #2 option behind Curry. He hasn't been played a minute with Klay Thompson.

Poole was cited to show that a player who has higher efficiency and takes his shots from the same areas is not automatically considered a future #1 despite having 1 extra year of experience. Understand the argument first.. please. I would know what it is, I'm the one who invoked it

[FNQ]

you could have just said "right"

I could have, but then how would I have known for sure that you arent really interested in a conversation?

Hey but did you check those numbers? Pins and needles here

I'm sure theres a totally rational explanation for the massive RAPTOR differentials, they just don't tell the whole story right?

Correct. Or is Alex Caruso an elite player? Would you trade Ball for John Collins?

Do you want to have that conversation, or are you basically just saying that there are tell-all advanced stats that equate players across roles in their teams?

I really don't want to go down that rabbit hole with someone who thinks they already know the answers though, and I think thats whats happening here.

Sometimes I think making advanced stats public was one of the larger mistakes of the APBR community

[Quentin]

Yet he has only 1 less shot at the rim than Edwards.



Poole runs the backup squad and plays every minute that Curry doesn't. Their efficiency is similar... how? .588 TS vs .535 is similar? Stretching that word to its maximum.



So, like I said earlier, Edwards is a much better defender, even though Poole is trending up a lot this year and actually grades out higher in metrics currently. Playmaking actually favors Poole as well. I compared who they were right now as a basis for their futures, not saying that they are on the same trajectory. Perhaps if you asked, instead of obnoxiously calling it delusional because you had to interpret it in the worst way, I wouldn't have to show you that these two guys shoot and pass pretty similarly, even though Edwards has more weight and can go further with driving while Poole can go further with shooting (which again, was initially acknowledged).



Yet they are taking a nearly identical amount of shots from different ranges. Scoring 2 guards with playmaking ability. But because they dont do it the exact same way, arent the exact same weight, arent the exact same age, you somehow took issue with that and got childish with it. That is the way it is

Wow. Edwards is beating Poole in just about every category including steals and blocks. Plus he's playing against starters, not backups. He's also not even the number 1 or 2 option on this team most of the time. Edwards is also completely different physically. You bringing up this comparison wreaks of homerism. Good job.

The Wolves fans who keep thinking its a comparison about the future really need to understand the context.

Poole is starting too, and yes, he's the #2 option behind Curry. He hasn't been played a minute with Klay Thompson.

Poole was cited to show that a player who has higher efficiency and takes his shots from the same areas is not automatically considered a future #1 despite having 1 extra year of experience. Understand the argument first.. please. I would know what it is, I'm the one who invoked it

Whatever puts you to sleep at night.

[KembaWalker]

I could have, but then how would I have known for sure that you arent really interested in a conversation?

Hey but did you check those numbers? Pins and needles here

I'm sure theres a totally rational explanation for the massive RAPTOR differentials, they just don't tell the whole story right?

Correct. Or is Alex Caruso an elite player? Would you trade Ball for John Collins?

Do you want to have that conversation, or are you basically just saying that there are tell-all advanced stats that equate players across roles in their teams?

I really don't want to go down that rabbit hole with someone who thinks they already know the answers though, and I think thats whats happening here.

Sometimes I think making advanced stats public was one of the larger mistakes of the APBR community

Ok so advanced metrics are suddenly meaningless, although you brought them up first...okay

So what's the actual argument that Anthony Edwards is playing better basketball than LaMelo Ball right now other than your apparent eye test..I don't get it. He can't just be somehow worse in every measureable way we have to compare players and their impact and still be so conclusively better? Are you really gonna say Anthony Edwards has the magical it factor that LaMelo doesn't? Because that goes against what pretty much everyone else in the world who has watched them both play would say

[FNQ]

Wow. Edwards is beating Poole in just about every category including steals and blocks. Plus he's playing against starters, not backups. He's also not even the number 1 or 2 option on this team most of the time. Edwards is also completely different physically. You bringing up this comparison wreaks of homerism. Good job.

The Wolves fans who keep thinking its a comparison about the future really need to understand the context.

Poole is starting too, and yes, he's the #2 option behind Curry. He hasn't been played a minute with Klay Thompson.

Poole was cited to show that a player who has higher efficiency and takes his shots from the same areas is not automatically considered a future #1 despite having 1 extra year of experience. Understand the argument first.. please. I would know what it is, I'm the one who invoked it

Whatever puts you to sleep at night.

Context?

I mean I'm just correcting some things that you said that were incorrect, and letting you know why the two are mentioned together at all.

So if the argument is that Edwards current statistical impact makes me skeptical of him being a top 20 player in the NBA, is that better for you?

[FNQ]

I'm sure theres a totally rational explanation for the massive RAPTOR differentials, they just don't tell the whole story right?

Correct. Or is Alex Caruso an elite player? Would you trade Ball for John Collins?

Do you want to have that conversation, or are you basically just saying that there are tell-all advanced stats that equate players across roles in their teams?

I really don't want to go down that rabbit hole with someone who thinks they already know the answers though, and I think thats whats happening here.

Sometimes I think making advanced stats public was one of the larger mistakes of the APBR community

Ok so advanced metrics are suddenly meaningless, although you brought them up first...okay

So what's the actual argument that Anthony Edwards is playing better basketball than LaMelo Ball right now other than your apparent eye test..I don't get it. He can't just be somehow worse in every measureable way we have to compare players and their impact and still be so conclusively better? Are you really gonna say Anthony Edwards has the magical it factor that LaMelo doesn't? Because that goes against what pretty much everyone else in the world who has watched them both play would say

No, they aren't meaningless. But if you're using a hammer on a screw, and someone says "thats not how that works".. you respond with "oh yeah? hammers are worthless then??" I dont think youll get a good response there either. If you use any advanced metric without considering role, you're doing it wrong. You assumed thats what I was doing, I explained what it was, and we're on post what...4 about it? Have a real conversation or drop it. So are we talking about Caruso, Collins and Melo here? Or are you finally understanding that positionally and based on role, the Hornets roster sans Melo is better than the Wolves roster sans Edwards? Have you done that yet or is it round 5 in the same conversation about advanced metrics that happens with everyone who doesn't seem to get them?

As I already said - different positions. A primary (and ball-dominant) ball-handler is going to absorb a ton of weight with metrics. Thats just how its designed with advanced stats, so that players who take 20 shots aren't held to the same efficiency standards of those who take 2. And also as I already said, I'd rather have Edwards because its easier to find lead ballhandlers than it is effective 2-way wing scorers. Since neither is really all that efficient at the current time, and since I think Edwards is a better defender on-ball, I'd take Edwards right now if I needed both spots filled. I also think he'll be better over time, in the exact same situation. Now if I needed a primary handler more, then of course I'd take Melo. Edwards is likely not ever going to be a full-time PG.

[KembaWalker]

Correct. Or is Alex Caruso an elite player? Would you trade Ball for John Collins?

Do you want to have that conversation, or are you basically just saying that there are tell-all advanced stats that equate players across roles in their teams?

I really don't want to go down that rabbit hole with someone who thinks they already know the answers though, and I think thats whats happening here.

Sometimes I think making advanced stats public was one of the larger mistakes of the APBR community

Ok so advanced metrics are suddenly meaningless, although you brought them up first...okay

So what's the actual argument that Anthony Edwards is playing better basketball than LaMelo Ball right now other than your apparent eye test..I don't get it. He can't just be somehow worse in every measureable way we have to compare players and their impact and still be so conclusively better? Are you really gonna say Anthony Edwards has the magical it factor that LaMelo doesn't? Because that goes against what pretty much everyone else in the world who has watched them both play would say

No, they aren't meaningless. But if you're using a hammer on a screw, and someone says "thats not how that works".. you respond with "oh yeah? hammers are worthless then??" I dont think youll get a good response there either. If you use any advanced metric without considering role, you're doing it wrong. You assumed thats what I was doing, I explained what it was, and we're on post what...4 about it? Have a real conversation or drop it. So are we talking about Caruso, Collins and Melo here? Or are you finally understanding that positionally and based on role, the Hornets roster sans Melo is better than the Wolves roster sans Edwards? Have you done that yet or is it round 5 in the same conversation about advanced metrics that happens with everyone who doesn't seem to get them?

As I already said - different positions. A primary (and ball-dominant) ball-handler is going to absorb a ton of weight with metrics. Thats just how its designed with advanced stats, so that players who take 20 shots aren't held to the same efficiency standards of those who take 2. And also as I already said, I'd rather have Edwards because its easier to find lead ballhandlers than it is effective 2-way wing scorers. Since neither is really all that efficient at the current time, and since I think Edwards is a better defender on-ball, I'd take Edwards right now if I needed both spots filled. I also think he'll be better over time, in the exact same situation. Now if I needed a primary handler more, then of course I'd take Melo. Edwards is likely not ever going to be a full-time PG.

I mean you yourself used BPM as the sole argument to declare Andre Iguodala better than Brad Miller so not sure where the condescending attitude about not understanding metrics coming from. Seems like the typical "metrics only matter when I need them to back up my argument, otherwise they are meaningless, duh"
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1839210&p=75429138#p75429138

I guess Brad Miller and Andre Iguodala are just closer, more comparable archetypes than two guards playing at the same time, same age, in the same draft class

[FNQ]

Ok so advanced metrics are suddenly meaningless, although you brought them up first...okay

So what's the actual argument that Anthony Edwards is playing better basketball than LaMelo Ball right now other than your apparent eye test..I don't get it. He can't just be somehow worse in every measureable way we have to compare players and their impact and still be so conclusively better? Are you really gonna say Anthony Edwards has the magical it factor that LaMelo doesn't? Because that goes against what pretty much everyone else in the world who has watched them both play would say

No, they aren't meaningless. But if you're using a hammer on a screw, and someone says "thats not how that works".. you respond with "oh yeah? hammers are worthless then??" I dont think youll get a good response there either. If you use any advanced metric without considering role, you're doing it wrong. You assumed thats what I was doing, I explained what it was, and we're on post what...4 about it? Have a real conversation or drop it. So are we talking about Caruso, Collins and Melo here? Or are you finally understanding that positionally and based on role, the Hornets roster sans Melo is better than the Wolves roster sans Edwards? Have you done that yet or is it round 5 in the same conversation about advanced metrics that happens with everyone who doesn't seem to get them?

As I already said - different positions. A primary (and ball-dominant) ball-handler is going to absorb a ton of weight with metrics. Thats just how its designed with advanced stats, so that players who take 20 shots aren't held to the same efficiency standards of those who take 2. And also as I already said, I'd rather have Edwards because its easier to find lead ballhandlers than it is effective 2-way wing scorers. Since neither is really all that efficient at the current time, and since I think Edwards is a better defender on-ball, I'd take Edwards right now if I needed both spots filled. I also think he'll be better over time, in the exact same situation. Now if I needed a primary handler more, then of course I'd take Melo. Edwards is likely not ever going to be a full-time PG.

I mean you yourself used BPM as the sole argument to declare Andre Iguodala better than Brad Miller so not sure where the condescending attitude about not understanding metrics coming from. Seems like the typical "metrics only matter when I need them to back up my argument, otherwise they are meaningless, duh"
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1839210&p=75429138#p75429138

I guess Brad Miller and Andre Iguodala are just closer, more comparable archetypes than two guards playing at the same time, same age, in the same draft class

Probably oughta keep scrolling down in that conversation where we go over the limitations and all. Like I said then, and say now - these metrics, which are not in use by NBA teams, favor playmakers and big men. Iguodala was kinda a playmaker, but not a full-time one, but Brad Miller was a full-time big. So if despite having the advantage positionally in a metric, and still being behind.. that's not good.

These gotchas arent getting better man, should go even further back. I started really getting into advanced stats in like 2013-2014 so maybe you'll find something there when I didn't really know what I was talking about

[Klomp]

What on earth are the last 3 pages I've been reading, someone help me!

[Klomp]

An advantage for Edwards over Ball is playing at the much thinner SG position. Ball has a lot of competition at PG, easier to blend in and not stand out.

Roster-wise, think Ball has it a little easier playing with a vet like Hayward.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Yet he has only 1 less shot at the rim than Edwards.



Poole runs the backup squad and plays every minute that Curry doesn't. Their efficiency is similar... how? .588 TS vs .535 is similar? Stretching that word to its maximum.



So, like I said earlier, Edwards is a much better defender, even though Poole is trending up a lot this year and actually grades out higher in metrics currently. Playmaking actually favors Poole as well. I compared who they were right now as a basis for their futures, not saying that they are on the same trajectory. Perhaps if you asked, instead of obnoxiously calling it delusional because you had to interpret it in the worst way, I wouldn't have to show you that these two guys shoot and pass pretty similarly, even though Edwards has more weight and can go further with driving while Poole can go further with shooting (which again, was initially acknowledged).



Yet they are taking a nearly identical amount of shots from different ranges. Scoring 2 guards with playmaking ability. But because they dont do it the exact same way, arent the exact same weight, arent the exact same age, you somehow took issue with that and got childish with it. That is the way it is

Wow. Edwards is beating Poole in just about every category including steals and blocks. Plus he's playing against starters, not backups. He's also not even the number 1 or 2 option on this team most of the time. Edwards is also completely different physically. You bringing up this comparison wreaks of homerism. Good job.

The Wolves fans who keep thinking its a comparison about the future really need to understand the context.

Poole is starting too, and yes, he's the #2 option behind Curry. He hasn't been played a minute with Klay Thompson.

Poole was cited to show that a player who has higher efficiency and takes his shots from the same areas is not automatically considered a future #1 despite having 1 extra year of experience. Understand the argument first.. please. I would know what it is, I'm the one who invoked it

That's pretty disingenuous considering the post you're quoting didn't even include any future projections... and only used current details. Whether you disagree with the take or not is irrelevant at this point since you already moved the goalposts.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Post a thread when "Anthony Edwards scores at league average efficiency or better". I'll be waiting.

This reminds me, I should stock up on imperishable goods at costco.

[life_saver]

This thread has taken quite a turn in last few pages