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All-star game is pointless, no defense for 40 minutes & 100 jacked up 3’s and uncontested lobs, then everyone suddenly wants to win at the end
Having said that, those East reserves are….yeah
Having said that, those East reserves are….yeah
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JujitsuFlip wrote:On butt cheeks shooting efficiency, congrats, I guess loljirrit wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Lifetime achievement award.
Maybe cause he’s #1 in points scored in the entire NBA
If you had any basketball knowledge you’d never question Tatum’s position in the Eastern All-Star squad. I’m a Boston homer I know but far from a Tatum-lover and its still 100% obvious he’s an All-Star.
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Khris Middleton?
Really?
Really?
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Middleton got snubbed last year & got snubbed for All-NBA 2 years ago.
He averaged 24-5-6 in the Finals & hasn’t fallen off compared to previous seasons.
When are people going to acknowledge that he’s actually a good player?
He averaged 24-5-6 in the Finals & hasn’t fallen off compared to previous seasons.
When are people going to acknowledge that he’s actually a good player?
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Having them restart every quarter at 0 plus the Elam ending has helped competitiveness.FreeThrowLine wrote:All-star game is pointless, no defense for 40 minutes & 100 jacked up 3’s and uncontested lobs, then everyone suddenly wants to win at the end
Having said that, those East reserves are….yeah
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I know the Bucks are going to get 2 all-stars but how are they picking Middleton over Holiday? I haven't watched the Bucks in the last month and I know they've been pretty meh lately but Holiday was having his best or second best season a month ago.
I also think Allen has a case to be the choice over Garland for Cleveland.
I also think Allen has a case to be the choice over Garland for Cleveland.
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Jcool0 wrote:harborlight wrote:Middleton, Tatum, and Vanvleet are all weak all-star selections. Ball seems in a similar category as them, but if you look at Allen, IMO that is the biggest snub. Shooting 67% from the field and is an integral part of the Cavs top 5 defense.
Vanvleet should of made it Garland should not.
Not saying Fred should not be an all-star, but Garland's case is greater.
Garland
31-21 record
20-3-8
47% FG 37% 3pt
22 yrs old (recently turned 22)
Team is 2 games from the first seed and the offense revolves around him.
Vanvleet
26-23 record
22-5-7
41% FG 40% 3pt
27 yrs old
One could argue that Siakim coming back had a greater impact than Fred to the team's recent success.
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realball wrote:KembaWalker wrote:Jeremy Lin 7 wrote::lol: Anyone who actually watches basketball knows VanVleet is an all-star.
he's boring and not even good lol
definitely getting drafted dead last for good reason
He scores more than Lamelo on better efficiency, and he actually plays defense. You should be crying about Tatum instead of FVV.
Its an all star game though, people want excitement. 100x more people would tune in to watch little Ball.
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Middleton isn't good this season.
How on earth you leave Allen out?
Jesus.
How on earth you leave Allen out?
Jesus.
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I'm not sure anybody with seeds 9 and below deserve to make it in unless putting up MVP level stats.
LaMelo or Jarrett Allen are probably more deserving. Hopefully LeBron is an injury replacement as well.
LaMelo or Jarrett Allen are probably more deserving. Hopefully LeBron is an injury replacement as well.
The Greatest of All Time debate in basketball is essentially who has the greatest basketball resume of the player who has the best highlights instead of who is the best player
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was it missed games?ForeverTFC wrote:I know the Bucks are going to get 2 all-stars but how are they picking Middleton over Holiday? I haven't watched the Bucks in the last month and I know they've been pretty meh lately but Holiday was having his best or second best season a month ago.
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They're a #9 seed, the guy will start for KD and be entertaining but your reasoning is not why he made the team loljirrit wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:On butt cheeks shooting efficiency, congrats, I guess loljirrit wrote:Maybe cause he’s #1 in points scored in the entire NBA
If you had any basketball knowledge you’d never question Tatum’s position in the Eastern All-Star squad. I’m a Boston homer I know but far from a Tatum-lover and its still 100% obvious he’s an All-Star.
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So, my thoughts:
West happened basically as expected. I think Mikal Bridges deserves to be in, but didn't expect him to make it. Even if there are injury replacements seems likely he won't be next on the list. Oh well.
In the East things are more interesting:
1. Was not expecting Garland to make it over Allen. Good for them for getting it right. Personally I'd put both in and I'm hoping Allen gets in with injury replacement, but this stuff in the thread talking about Garland as only the 3rd most deserving guy on the Cavs screams "I haven't really been paying attention to how the Cavs are winning this year and Garland wasn't on my radar before". Dude has a really, really strong case for MIP.
2. Glad VanVleet made it. Was expecting him to make it so that I'm not surprised, but he's another guy who people who are skeptical about him seem like they are going by reputation from previous years.
3. Middleton making it over Holiday is really awful. To me that's the coaches clearly going by established team pecking order rather than by who has been best this season.
4. I wouldn't have voted Harden in, but I'm not surprised he made it.
West happened basically as expected. I think Mikal Bridges deserves to be in, but didn't expect him to make it. Even if there are injury replacements seems likely he won't be next on the list. Oh well.
In the East things are more interesting:
1. Was not expecting Garland to make it over Allen. Good for them for getting it right. Personally I'd put both in and I'm hoping Allen gets in with injury replacement, but this stuff in the thread talking about Garland as only the 3rd most deserving guy on the Cavs screams "I haven't really been paying attention to how the Cavs are winning this year and Garland wasn't on my radar before". Dude has a really, really strong case for MIP.
2. Glad VanVleet made it. Was expecting him to make it so that I'm not surprised, but he's another guy who people who are skeptical about him seem like they are going by reputation from previous years.
3. Middleton making it over Holiday is really awful. To me that's the coaches clearly going by established team pecking order rather than by who has been best this season.
4. I wouldn't have voted Harden in, but I'm not surprised he made it.
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Saying that Mobley deserves it more than Garland tells me I shouldn't even bother talking to you because it's pretty clear you haven't watched a single Cavaliers game or paid attention to what's been going on there. But I'll bite.
Garland is arguably the best player on a team that is having the best turnaround of the season (and that part isn't arguably no matter how you spin it) and has constantly led Cleveland to wins down the stretch. He is critical to Cleveland's success and we're seeing how much they are struggling without him right now. I mean, they literally just lost to Houston of all teams and struggled to beat New Orleans (Detroit winning was due to Cunningham going off).
Nothing about this is political at all.
And for the record, I'm not saying VanVleet doesn't deserve an all star selection. I'm saying Garland deserves it far more than he does. There is a difference.
Exactly. I've watched nearly every Cavs game and without Garland this team would be no where it is today.
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harborlight wrote:Jcool0 wrote:harborlight wrote:Middleton, Tatum, and Vanvleet are all weak all-star selections. Ball seems in a similar category as them, but if you look at Allen, IMO that is the biggest snub. Shooting 67% from the field and is an integral part of the Cavs top 5 defense.
Vanvleet should of made it Garland should not.
Not saying Fred should not be an all-star, but Garland's case is greater.
Garland
31-21 record
20-3-8
47% FG 37% 3pt
22 yrs old (recently turned 22)
Team is 2 games from the first seed and the offense revolves around him.
Vanvleet
26-23 record
22-5-7
41% FG 40% 3pt
27 yrs old
One could argue that Siakim coming back had a greater impact than Fred to the team's recent success.
Actually 28-16 when Garland plays. 3-5 when he doesn't.
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harborlight wrote:Jcool0 wrote:harborlight wrote:Middleton, Tatum, and Vanvleet are all weak all-star selections. Ball seems in a similar category as them, but if you look at Allen, IMO that is the biggest snub. Shooting 67% from the field and is an integral part of the Cavs top 5 defense.
Vanvleet should of made it Garland should not.
Not saying Fred should not be an all-star, but Garland's case is greater.
Garland
31-21 record
20-3-8
47% FG 37% 3pt
22 yrs old (recently turned 22)
Team is 2 games from the first seed and the offense revolves around him.
Vanvleet
26-23 record
22-5-7
41% FG 40% 3pt
27 yrs old
One could argue that Siakim coming back had a greater impact than Fred to the team's recent success.
Outside of record, what gives an edge to Garland? Fred is putting up better counting stats and is a better defender, both are at the same efficiency (1% TS% difference between the 2, nice try with that FG%), and I have no idea why age even matters in this conversation.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:On butt cheeks shooting efficiency, congrats, I guess loljirrit wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Lifetime achievement award.
Maybe cause he’s #1 in points scored in the entire NBA
Van Vleet is shooting 41% on the year, shot 38% last season and youre harping on Tatum, who actually can create his own shot….

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Gasolina wrote:Allen was absolutely snubbed, and he has been more important to the success of the Cavs this season than any other player on that roster. I would replace him with Middleton.
No, LaMelo was not snubbed and did not deserve a selection over any of the players on that list.
LaMelo > Middleton foh.
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JDR720 wrote:I don't think Bridges has been all-star worthy, but to not have Melo is ridiculous. We're the only East team in the top 10 that doesn't have an all-star? That's nuts.
Dude, there are 9 teams in the East with a positive SRS, and they all got all-stars. I wouldn't have been upset with a Hornet making it - I thought both Ball & Bridges were serious candidates - but there was absolutely nothing about the Hornets' team performance this season that put them in the "they gotta get an all-star" category. When you're mediocre, as the Hornets have been, sometimes you get a guy, sometimes you don't.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:Lifetime achievement from the 4 seed and the 9 seed really hurt his chances. Followed by a starter from the 10 seed and an undeserving selection from the 8 seed exasperated it.JDR720 wrote:I don't think Bridges has been all-star worthy, but to not have Melo is ridiculous. We're the only East team in the top 10 that doesn't have an all-star? That's nuts.
I personally hope Silver picks Allen for KD's replacement but I could see it being Ball.
People harp on a teams record when they have a poor argument. Fans want to see stars, not good role players having career years.