This is OBVIOUSLY Steph's era- not Lebron's.

[Mephariel]

Let's chill a bit, lol. I do think that the dominance of the warriors has somewhat undermined Brons's legacy and I think that Steph and Brons standing in history are forever linked.

Bron is clearly the better player and is higher all time. However, Steph is the better leader and the guy you'd want to build around as a franchise because of his personality.

That is not true at all. I would rather have prime Lebron over anyone. And the truth is, if Lebron was drafted by the warriors, he probably would have won six rings and would not have left. Lebron's biggest problem was being drafted by a small market team like the Cavs.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Let's chill a bit, lol. I do think that the dominance of the warriors has somewhat undermined Brons's legacy and I think that Steph and Brons standing in history are forever linked.

Bron is clearly the better player and is higher all time. However, Steph is the better leader and the guy you'd want to build around as a franchise because of his personality.

That is not true at all. I would rather have prime Lebron over anyone. And the truth is, if Lebron was drafted by the warriors, he probably would have won six rings and would not have left. Lebron's biggest problem was being drafted by a small market team like the Cavs.

Lebron has never shown he can stick out with any squad to win 6 rings. He bailed on the Cavs when it got tight. Then bailed on the Heat when things got tight, bailed on the Cavs again when things got tight, and probably wants to leave LA.

[LakerLegend]

LeBron's pushing 40..why would this be his era anyway.

[Admiral-Kizaru]

Let's chill a bit, lol. I do think that the dominance of the warriors has somewhat undermined Brons's legacy and I think that Steph and Brons standing in history are forever linked.

Bron is clearly the better player and is higher all time. However, Steph is the better leader and the guy you'd want to build around as a franchise because of his personality.

That is not true at all. I would rather have prime Lebron over anyone. And the truth is, if Lebron was drafted by the warriors, he probably would have won six rings and would not have left. Lebron's biggest problem was being drafted by a small market team like the Cavs.

Dude, the dubs before Steph are a bottom-feeding team with nearly 4 decades of having won nothing and almost 2 decades of being complete garbage. Steph stayed the course and Lebron did not. However, i will acknowledge that Steph never had the pressure that Lebron did during his first stint in Cleveland. Steph's relatively "late" emergence as an all NBA player meant that he had lower expectations compared to Lebron who both fortunately and unfortunately for him was expected to live up to Jordan so that likely shaped Lebron's mindset. But I still disagree because even if Lebron was drafted to the Warriors and had these same expectations, he would leave especially playing in the Western conference which had superior teams from top to bottom.

I would also like to add that Lebron's quick success with the Cavs also played against him because it only raised expectations and did not allow the Cavs adequate time to build from the draft for him. He wanted the Cavs to get Stephen Curry but there was no way in hell the Cavs could get a top 10 pick in Stephs Draft with Lebron driving that team to the playoffs year after year.

[BoatsNZones]

Where was this Curry is better than Lebron as Klay was healing and the warriors were in the lottery?

Curry was averaging 32/6/6 on a 66% TS and Lebron was calling him the clear MVP of the NBA. That's where he was.

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Lol the overrating of the Champion never fails.

Curry is arguably top 10 all time but not better than Lebron.

[BoatsNZones]

2005-2014 is Lebron. 2015-2024 is Curry.

Is Lebron higher up All Time? Of course. He has a case for GOAT. But this is the Warriors era, and Steph is the juggernaut.

[GTR11]

Its hard not to cheer for Curry led GSW when you look at LBJ and KD. Guy trusted in organization and helped to take it to another level.

Now lets get to topic. Did Curry steal this era from LBJ? ABSOFREAKINGLUTLY and thats not even debatable. Not after THE DECISION and biggest cheat move LBJ made. They literally legitimized player tempering within players. Than he quits on teams once things get little tough and creates narrative and legitimise it as personal choice as next chapter. The only thing his fans hold on to is, he fulfilled his promise and delivered chip to Cleveland. Other than that, Curry owns his ass.
KD? Same KD that choked 3-1 lead. Same KD that needed Curry's help. Same KD that got swept by same team Curry led GSW beat. I just dont want to go into details whats wrong with KD because he's on my team right now, otherwise i would crucify this mental midget.

When things will get set and done. People will be talking about this decade as Curry era and it will be right thing to do. Neither LBJ nor KD can say sh** about it. Not after what they have done period. They made their own bed, now deal with it.

[GTR11]

2005-2014 is Lebron. 2015-2024 is Curry.

Is Lebron higher up All Time? Of course. He has a case for GOAT. But this is the Warriors era, and Steph is the juggernaut.

What ? Where Kobe and Timmy go ?

[SashimiLover]

2015-2025 imo will be Steph and the warriors era. LeBron gets the little era before that and ofc there's some cross over

I kind of wanna bring Kawhi into the mix. And, of course, he's been less prominent as Lebron and Curry due to his chronic injury and probably a less dominant player than Lebron (a better floor raiser) and Curry (a better ceiling raiser) despite being the best defender among the three.

Had Kawhi remained in the Raptors in 2020, he might have legit shot at his 2nd title in Toronto. With back-to-back championship, the narrative of Kawhi would've been drastically different. If a Kawhi-led Ratpors somehow beat Lebron's Lakers in the 2020 finals, some fans might argue Kawhi has beaten Lebron twice in the finals (2014 & 2020, even though it was more of a team effort for the Spurs in 2014). Kawhi would've ended up winning as many FMVP and titles as Lebron does as this point. As a result, his rep and historical ranking would take a substantial jump as he may be considered on par with Curry (for many) or (in a minority's eyes) even Lebron.

[Mr Loggins]

LeBron's pushing 40..why would this be his era anyway.

that in itself is a testament to his dominance.

[Ito]

More like steph is the reason Durant not on lebron’s level.. not that he has a case but just for this thread’s sake

[Goomba3666]

Guy gets his first FMVP and now it’s “OBVIOUSLY” his era over a top 3 player of all time at worst lol.

OP and the 40 or 50 posters giving him And1s couldn’t say “Curry is better than LeBron,” so he went this route and got the agreement from the people waiting to pile on.

Lol. Don't read too much into this. Curry is the BETTER WINNER, not necessarily the "greater" player.

Although anyone with two eyeballs and understand the game knows that Curry is the more skilled basketball player of the two. Bron has more natural, gifted talents.

This is the reason that Curry gets doubled at half court, but he's so good off-ball that he still gets open and makes quick decisions with the basketball or uses himself as a decoy to get easy buckets for teammates.

[Zetsword]

It can't be both?

[bradybunch]

Won a title with his second best player being Andrew Wiggins.

Case closed.

Against a team whose best player is Jayson Tatum.

Against two All-stars and a DPOY.

[ch434355]

Only if you think that Curry is a top 5 players ever

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That's a cool graphic, but it seems like Curry is able to, you know, WIN at a faster clip.

If the goal is to win, it just seems like the gap of accomplishments are null.

Draymond has won 4 also. I guess Draymond is equal to Lebron too.

[nikster]

Let's chill a bit, lol. I do think that the dominance of the warriors has somewhat undermined Brons's legacy and I think that Steph and Brons standing in history are forever linked.

Bron is clearly the better player and is higher all time. However, Steph is the better leader and the guy you'd want to build around as a franchise because of his personality.

That is not true at all. I would rather have prime Lebron over anyone. And the truth is, if Lebron was drafted by the warriors, he probably would have won six rings and would not have left. Lebron's biggest problem was being drafted by a small market team like the Cavs.

Dude, the dubs before Steph are a bottom-feeding team with nearly 4 decades of having won nothing and almost 2 decades of being complete garbage. Steph stayed the course and Lebron did not. However, i will acknowledge that Steph never had the pressure that Lebron did during his first stint in Cleveland. Steph's relatively "late" emergence as an all NBA player meant that he had lower expectations compared to Lebron who both fortunately and unfortunately for him was expected to live up to Jordan so that likely shaped Lebron's mindset. But I still disagree because even if Lebron was drafted to the Warriors and had these same expectations, he would leave especially playing in the Western conference which had superior teams from top to bottom.

I would also like to add that Lebron's quick success with the Cavs also played against him because it only raised expectations and did not allow the Cavs adequate time to build from the draft for him. He wanted the Cavs to get Stephen Curry but there was no way in hell the Cavs could get a top 10 pick in Stephs Draft with Lebron driving that team to the playoffs year after year.

Yeah key word is before Steph. They have been one of the best run franchises in the league for the last decade. Lebron stuck with the Cavs for 7 years. By the time Steph made his first all star game the Warriors had surrounded him worth the core of his championship squad with Klay and Dray and key role players (Barnes, Iggy and Bogut).

When he was eligible for a supermax theyve been to multiple straight finals, with the core young and locked up and Durant still on the team. Lebron left a Cavs team with 3 aging role players (33+), West who was out of the league shortly, with Mo Williams and Anderson Varejo the only "key" role players, with no young guys worth developing, no assets, for one of the least desirable free agent destinations

[mademan]

Won a title with his second best player being Andrew Wiggins.

Case closed.

Against a team whose best player is Jayson Tatum.

Against two All-stars and a DPOY.

...with 2 all-stars on his team?

[NZB2323]

The rankings can be misleading due to the number of expansion teams and the number of historic bad teams the NBA had in the late 1990s...I mean in 1998 the NBA had like 6 teams with 62 losses or more and it was not much better that the few years before!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1998.html

It also has 10 teams over 50 wins, 5 of them in the east and all but 1 of those 60 loss teams were in the west.

Some years in the 10s Lebron had 1 other team winning over 50 games in the east, that is historically bad conference!

Of course, the records of some team will be inflated with so many bad team

Also, at that time, the NBA had very few international player...Now it's 25%, so imagine the league without Giannis, Luka, Jokic, etc, it would be much lower but not like it was when Magic and Bird had retired.

Okay, but the reason there are so many international players now is because members of the dream team and Hakeem did a great job of growing the game internationally. I don't think it's fair to hold it against them that the game is more international now when they should get a ton of credit for the game being more international.

[Yungsta404]

To be honest, this is no one's era.

This is the parity era where we have several contending teams that can win it all.
In the last four years, we have had 4 different Nba champions with no team making back to back finals.