Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly; Wants to Play for the Clippers

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Where does James Harden end up?

Rockets
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Knicks
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Clippers
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Blazers
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Re: Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly 

Post#221 » by Exp0sed » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:14 pm

GeorgeSears wrote:As badly as Harden played against the Celtics, he was still an important piece to the Sixers' success. It's going to be tough to replace him, unless they can get someone like PG in return or try and get two really solid role players to make up for him.

I heard rumors about them going after Fred VanVleet. IMO, he's just not big enough and quick enough at his size, to be anything more than a good 4th option on a championship team. He's more of a scoring PG off the bench, the way Isaiah Thomas was for the Sacramento Kings. Obviously, the Sixers need him to be more than that.

It's an interesting situation to monitor. I would want to get PG.


Harden had an ATG (and clutch) performance in game 1 on the Celtics homefloor and won that game basically by himself
when Embiid returned for game 2, he was forced to feed him touches etc and Embiid is a non-factor in the playoffs and bogs down the offense while not allowing the defense to get into any rhythm because he's always on the hardwood floor and late to get back

if you go back to Embiid winning his fake MVP, Harden seemed genuilely excited
but when he saw playoff Embiid (again) and had to listen to Embiid take 0 responsibility while throwing shade at others (again) - perhaps he got disillusioned?

when he joined the Sixers there was a real sentiment that he wanted to win (for a change) and obviously he would have taken more money if they would have offered but he could have pouted then or demanded a trade etc - he stayed and seemed locked in, accepting his role to perfection all season long. his RS deserved at least 2nd team All-NBA imo

but when he realized this team ain't winning S*** with Embiid, why bother with another season in Philly and with Nurse of all people, who isn't even smart enough when asked on the first day on the job regarding Harden and his half-as***ed answer told us all u needed to know
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Re: Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly 

Post#222 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:14 pm

JimmyPlopper wrote:Harden for Fournier, Josh Hart, and Obi Toppin works




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Re: Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly 

Post#223 » by IAMZOOTED2 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:18 pm

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Re: Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly 

Post#224 » by Mickey8 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:19 pm

Exp0sed wrote:
GeorgeSears wrote:As badly as Harden played against the Celtics, he was still an important piece to the Sixers' success. It's going to be tough to replace him, unless they can get someone like PG in return or try and get two really solid role players to make up for him.

I heard rumors about them going after Fred VanVleet. IMO, he's just not big enough and quick enough at his size, to be anything more than a good 4th option on a championship team. He's more of a scoring PG off the bench, the way Isaiah Thomas was for the Sacramento Kings. Obviously, the Sixers need him to be more than that.

It's an interesting situation to monitor. I would want to get PG.


Harden had an ATG (and clutch) performance in game 1 on the Celtics homefloor and won that game basically by himself
when Embiid returned for game 2, he was forced to feed him touches etc and Embiid is a non-factor in the playoffs and bogs down the offense while not allowing the defense to get into any rhythm because he's always on the hardwood floor and late to get back

if you go back to Embiid winning his fake MVP, Harden seemed genuilely excited
but when he saw playoff Embiid (again) and had to listen to Embiid take 0 responsibility while throwing shade at others (again) - perhaps he got disillusioned?

when he joined the Sixers there was a real sentiment that he wanted to win (for a change) and obviously he would have taken more money if they would have offered but he could have pouted then or demanded a trade etc - he stayed and seemed locked in, accepting his role to perfection all season long. his RS deserved at least 2nd team All-NBA imo

but when he realized this team ain't winning S*** with Embiid, why bother with another season in Philly and with Nurse of all people, who isn't even smart enough when asked on the first day on the job regarding Harden and his half-as***ed answer told us all u needed to know


Its obvious that Embiid was the weakest link in the last play off's and not just last. But he's so protected by the media. The guy barely ever faces any heat by the media . Philadelphia was the better without Embiid in the first round against the Nets as well. I truly believe that Sixers would have beaten Boston if Embiid didn't return in the series.
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Re: Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly 

Post#225 » by Upperclass » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:19 pm

This is.. an amazing development for Philly.. Send him to Portland for Scoot and Ant or Scoot and Shaedon and become a much faster, more dynamic team
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Re: Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly 

Post#226 » by MAMBAEMD » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:20 pm

If the Clips trade for Harden, they'd have a strong big 3, assuming good health, but they become weaker as a team.
Same with the Suns.
there is an art to championship level team construction, and this ain't it.

What is as or even more imoortant than having superstars is 3 or 4 solid role players.

The KCPs, the Danny Greens, the Aaron Gordon's, the Draymond Greens.

I'd be delighted to see the Suns or Clips pull this trigger but I think it is a dumb basketball move.
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Re: Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly 

Post#227 » by flranger » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:24 pm

John Murdoch wrote:Lets be real Embiid doesnt even sniff an MVP without Harden spoon feeding him


More like without the racist undertones and Jokic just taking the foot off the pedel because he wanted no part of the narrative
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Post#228 » by Hatrick Ewing » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:24 pm

If you look at the championship winners of the last 20 years the majority of them have not been won by these guys that move around all the time.
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Post#229 » by robbie84 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:28 pm

Upperclass wrote:This is.. an amazing development for Philly.. Send him to Portland for Scoot and Ant or Scoot and Shaedon and become a much faster, more dynamic team


You think the Blazers are giving up Scoot for 2023 James Harden?
You high bruh?
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Re: Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly 

Post#230 » by MoMan24 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:28 pm

flranger wrote:
John Murdoch wrote:Lets be real Embiid doesnt even sniff an MVP without Harden spoon feeding him


More like without the racist undertones and Jokic just taking the foot off the pedel because he wanted no part of the narrative

I've never seen a player, team, and media members cry their way to a player winning MVP. Embiid **** the bed in round 2 of the playoffs with a quality roster for the 100th time was a joy to watch. Never give that fraud MVP again. Can't believe they questioned if Jokic was forreal while they tried to prop this giant crying flopping mental midget.
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Re: Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly 

Post#231 » by JimmyPlopper » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:29 pm

Hatrick Ewing wrote:If you look at the championship winners of the last 20 years the majority of them have not been won by these guys that move around all the time.


Of course, youre totally correct. Funny though that the Pistons team of the early 2000s didn't fit that (Billups, Sheed and Ben all moved around a lot). Those Pistons teams defied a lot of conventional wisdom.
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Post#232 » by Upperclass » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:30 pm

robbie84 wrote:
Upperclass wrote:This is.. an amazing development for Philly.. Send him to Portland for Scoot and Ant or Scoot and Shaedon and become a much faster, more dynamic team


You think the Blazers are giving up Scoot for 2023 James Harden?
You high bruh?



If Dame wants Harden there, they will.. why else would he not have been dealt yet
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Re: Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly 

Post#233 » by zshawn10 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:30 pm

[Wojnarowski] James Harden has likely played his last game in Philadelphia... this was essentially James Harden looking into free agency and not seeing the type of long-term commitment he wanted from the Sixers and perhaps the Rockets... the most prominent team out there are the Los Angeles Clippers

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Re: Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly 

Post#234 » by leolozon » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:34 pm

He is a “serial quitter” right? I have trouble understanding his thought process.

So much to dislike about this guy.
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Post#235 » by iggymcfrack » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:36 pm

Hatrick Ewing wrote:If you look at the championship winners of the last 20 years the majority of them have not been won by these guys that move around all the time.


I mean if you can draft around a Giannis or Jokić and build around them, then great, but that’s not realistic for most teams. Also, KD, LeBron, and Kawhi have won 7 of the last 11 Finals MVPs.
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Re: Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly 

Post#236 » by clyde21 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:37 pm

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clyde21 wrote:imagine the audacity opting into almost 36 MILLION dollars with your employer and then immediately demanding a trade.

Player EmpowermentTM


he's doing them a favor


can you give us a the list of teams Harden can go get 36m with this year in FA?
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Post#237 » by HMFFL » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:41 pm

Meeksology wrote:Damn, not a good look. He should give Nurse a shot til at least the trade deadline. I think Nurse can unlock the full potential of this Philly squad. But hey, harden gonna harden and philly gonna philly.
It's really not a good look for Harden or Philly. Harden has his reasons that we possibly won't ever know. Nurse is probably not the best fit for Harden anyways.

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Post#238 » by SelfishPlayer » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:42 pm

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CP3nthusiast wrote:Philly could've had Haliburton. Morey's love affair with Harden has cost him dearly again.


Haliburton doesn't contribute towards winning, yet... Sacramento got better without him. Philadelphia has championship expectations.


Haliburton through 56 games: 29/5/15 per 100 on 49/40/87 splits, 7.2 BPM, .195 WS/48, 4.4 VORP. Team record with him 28-28 (.500), team record without him 7-19 (.269)

Harden through 58 games: 28/8/14 per 100 on 44/38/87 splits, 5.4 BPM, .188 WS/48, 4.0 VORP. Team record with him: 39-19 (0.672), team record without him: 15-9 (0.625)


What is Sacramento's record without Haliburton? What are the Nets and Rockets records without Harden? What is Harden's career record? What is Haliburton's career record? Again, the Sixers have championship goals, Haliburton can't even get you to the playoffs, yet...
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Post#239 » by BobbyPortisEyes » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:47 pm

OkcSinceSGA wrote:
Yank3525 wrote:Is Harden's value even that high?


It’s likely gonna net them Morris, Powell, Mann and a pick or two.
lol no it isn't
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Re: Woj: Harden Opting into $35.6M Player Option and Demanding Trade from Philly 

Post#240 » by iggymcfrack » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:48 pm

I haven’t played around with the trade machine enough to see how feasible this is, but I wonder if a framework of Harris + Harden for George + Clippers wing depth would work? Would let the Clippers consolidate a little bit when they have too many guys to keep them on the playoff rotation, would let each team get off of a deal they might not wanna renew, bring Harris back to LA where he was more successful. I could really see a mega-deal here.

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