2024 NBA Playoffs - East 1st Round: #2 New York Knicks vs. #7 Philadelphia 76ers (NYK WINS 4-2)

[Jailblazers7]

Would love for this series to not be all about politics & trying to influence the refs. I get it why Hartenstein would do that tho because he literally has zero chance of guarding Embiid without being extremely physical.

[Hussien Fatal]

In a weak Eastern Conference he lead the team to a 14-20 record without Embiid. You’d have to be a fool to believe that’s a top 15-18 player.

Clearly you haven’t watched Maxey play much this season. He established himself as one of the best perimeter players in the league. Despite the sixers record without Embiid he is still in that top 15 range.

Maxey had below average efficiency without Embiid and he did it at high volume as well. That's not a recipe for success. If Embiid is healthy the Sixers should win this series. However, Maxey is not on Brunson's level and those two should not be compared with one another.

You acting as if Brunson is magic Johnson or Steph Curry! I’m not comparing Maxey to magic or Steph I’m comparing him to Brunson. If you think Brunson is on some level Maxey will never touch you’re mistaken. If Brunson is better than Maxey it’s by very little. Maxey is on Brunsons level and I expect him to be definitively better than Brunson in the near future.

[DaGawd]

Clearly you haven’t watched Maxey play much this season. He established himself as one of the best perimeter players in the league. Despite the sixers record without Embiid he is still in that top 15 range.

Maxey had below average efficiency without Embiid and he did it at high volume as well. That's not a recipe for success. If Embiid is healthy the Sixers should win this series. However, Maxey is not on Brunson's level and those two should not be compared with one another.

You acting as if Brunson is magic Johnson or Steph Curry! I’m not comparing Maxey to magic or Steph I’m comparing him to Brunson. If you think Brunson is on some level Maxey will never touch you’re mistaken. If Brunson is better than Maxey it’s by very little. Maxey is on Brunsons level and I expect him to be definitively better than Brunson in the near future.

that would mean maxey is a top 10 player and mvp candidate if/when he reaches that level. sixers would be blessed

[bronxknicksfan1]

The nerve of anyone to say Brunson is a flopper when the biggest flopper in the league since prime James Harden (Embiid) is on their team.

And this is not to say that he doesn’t get fouled. But we don’t see Embiid flailing around in damn near every game he plays?

[bronxknicksfan1]

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For people who think that Maxey isn't on Brunson's level.

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He’s not.

[nikster]

checkmate

There is literally nothing there that proves his point. Do you even know what chess is?

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homer take

This is an Embiid fan calling another player a flopper. It's all Homer takes

[eyeatoma]

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Joel Embiid has taken this team from a cellar dwellar back to elite status in under a month.

[3toheadmelo]

First time I ever heard Brunson is a flopper lmao

[Rockazoids]

when was the last playoffs matchup between 76ers-knicks?

I just don't remember

First time since 1989.

Back when it was ok to rub s**t in peoples face.

[Los_29]

Clearly you haven’t watched Maxey play much this season. He established himself as one of the best perimeter players in the league. Despite the sixers record without Embiid he is still in that top 15 range.

Maxey had below average efficiency without Embiid and he did it at high volume as well. That's not a recipe for success. If Embiid is healthy the Sixers should win this series. However, Maxey is not on Brunson's level and those two should not be compared with one another.

You acting as if Brunson is magic Johnson or Steph Curry! I’m not comparing Maxey to magic or Steph I’m comparing him to Brunson. If you think Brunson is on some level Maxey will never touch you’re mistaken. If Brunson is better than Maxey it’s by very little. Maxey is on Brunsons level and I expect him to be definitively better than Brunson in the near future.

In the future, sure. But aren’t we comparing them based on their performances this year? If we are then Brunson is better and it’s not up for debate.

[cgf]

First time I ever heard Brunson is a flopper lmao

He definitely flopped on some of those "charges"

...but yeah, he doesn't get a great whistle offensively.

[cgf]

Would love for this series to not be all about politics & trying to influence the refs. I get it why Hartenstein would do that tho because he literally has zero chance of guarding Embiid without being extremely physical.

FWIW iHart did great on Joel the one time we faced him this year. Joel still got his 30-10, but his impact was minimal and Philly was -29 with Embiid on the court. Now IH brought his A-game and IIRC that wasn't long before Embiid's injury was announced, so who knows how prescriptive that'll be for this series, but the bolded feels like an overstatement.

Nobody can just shut Joel down other than Joel's body, but if Hartenstein plays his best, he can make Joel's production less impactful...like he did in their regular season meeting.

[eyeatoma]

Would love for this series to not be all about politics & trying to influence the refs. I get it why Hartenstein would do that tho because he literally has zero chance of guarding Embiid without being extremely physical.

FWIW iHart did great on Joel the one time we faced him this year. Joel still got his 30-10, but his impact was minimal and Philly was -29 with Embiid on the court. Now IH brought his A-game and IIRC that wasn't long before Embiid's injury was announced, so who knows how prescriptive that'll be for this series, but the bolded feels like an overstatement.

Nobody can just shut Joel down other than Joel's body, but if Hartenstein plays his best, he can make Joel's production less impactful...like he did in their regular season meeting.

In the end it's Joel who beats Joel...

[cgf]

Would love for this series to not be all about politics & trying to influence the refs. I get it why Hartenstein would do that tho because he literally has zero chance of guarding Embiid without being extremely physical.

FWIW iHart did great on Joel the one time we faced him this year. Joel still got his 30-10, but his impact was minimal and Philly was -29 with Embiid on the court. Now IH brought his A-game and IIRC that wasn't long before Embiid's injury was announced, so who knows how prescriptive that'll be for this series, but the bolded feels like an overstatement.

Nobody can just shut Joel down other than Joel's body, but if Hartenstein plays his best, he can make Joel's production less impactful...like he did in their regular season meeting.

In the end it's Joel who beats Joel...

I hear what you're saying but not all 30 pt games are made the same, ya know? If he's not very efficient and doesn't generate a lot of open looks for his team-mates, then that's a win for us even if he gets to 30 himself.

Same way that if you guys keep Jalen to meh efficiency without leaving our shooters wide open & them killing you, then that's a win for you even if Jalen gets to 30.

[eyeatoma]

FWIW iHart did great on Joel the one time we faced him this year. Joel still got his 30-10, but his impact was minimal and Philly was -29 with Embiid on the court. Now IH brought his A-game and IIRC that wasn't long before Embiid's injury was announced, so who knows how prescriptive that'll be for this series, but the bolded feels like an overstatement.

Nobody can just shut Joel down other than Joel's body, but if Hartenstein plays his best, he can make Joel's production less impactful...like he did in their regular season meeting.

In the end it's Joel who beats Joel...

I hear what you're saying but not all 30 pt games are made the same, ya know? If he's not very efficient and doesn't generate a lot of open looks for his team-mates, then that's a win for us even if he gets to 30 himself.

Same way that if you guys keep Jalen to meh efficiency without leaving our shooters wide open & them killing you, then that's a win for you even if Jalen gets to 30.

Was that the game he twisted his ankle thouhg? I might be remembering it wrong...

[cgf]

In the end it's Joel who beats Joel...

I hear what you're saying but not all 30 pt games are made the same, ya know? If he's not very efficient and doesn't generate a lot of open looks for his team-mates, then that's a win for us even if he gets to 30 himself.

Same way that if you guys keep Jalen to meh efficiency without leaving our shooters wide open & them killing you, then that's a win for you even if Jalen gets to 30.

Was that the game he twisted his ankle thouhg? I might be remembering it wrong...

I'm not sure anymore. It was close to when his knee injury was announced, so he may have already been banged up...but he played 36 minutes in that one despite it ending in a blowout. Which makes me suspect that he probably didn't get hurt in that one.


Either way I wasn't trying to say the same thing would happen again...IH brought his A-game that night and Joel may not have been 100%...or just more focused on the potential matchup with Jokic that was a week or two away. I was trying to say that we don't need to shut Joel down completely, we need to limit the impact of his production...and our Centers can make him really work for it.

No guarantee it'll happen, I just thought saying Hartenstein had zero chance unless the refs let him do whatever he wanted was much...especially with Robinson back to share that burden.

Joel will eat, but the question is how much does he get everyone else involved and how many possessions does he need for himself. He's been awesome at creating for his team-mates this year, but if we can make him work hard for his points without selling out to stop him, we could limit that playmaking again.

EDIT:
https://www.espn.com/nba/recap/_/gameId/401585111

Joel Embiid twisted his left knee early — “I'll be fine,” he said — and had 30 points and 10 rebounds for the Sixers.

Nvm, looks like Joel did bang his knee up early in that one.

[stuporman]

he’s tied for 10 with jayson tatum while having played more games than most on the list

Hes only 16th in per game attempts as well at 6.5 per game. Embiid leads the league at 11.5, and him and Giannis are so far ahead of the rest of the league I don't know you can call anyone else 'high'

Take those two out, and it's a lot closer. Those two are savants when it comes to drawing contact.

Take away my guy who's the biggest flopper and the other guy is at the top

[stuporman]

I'm glad someone put into context the FTA with Brunson being 9th in total amount but 16th in per game amount when all the other listings I provided were in per game. It actually proves he doesn't get the same respect and the per drive attempts show that even Maxey gets more respect than Brunson.

[Snotbubbles]

Take those two out, and it's a lot closer. Those two are savants when it comes to drawing contact.

lol…


another small guard in damian lillard is averaging a whopping 7 ft attempts per game.. is he a flopper also?

A guy who drives 2/3rds as much as Brunson (12.9 vs 19.5 drives per game) but gets to the line more than Jalen, a flopper? Can't be

What's even more interesting is that Maxey gets 5.4 FTA despite only driving 13.3 times a game. So floppy Jalen Brunson needs 6.2 more drives a game than Maxey (47%) to get 1.1 FTs more (20%)...

How often are the Knicks in the bonus or double bonus compared to the Bucks or Sixers? Also, how many FTA were from getting fouled taking 3 point shots? Brunson has drawn more shooting fouls (222), than Lillard (185) or Maxey (173), so the discrepancy isn't from not getting calls, it's coming from somewhere else.

ETA: Also, and1s (Brunson 86, Lillard 35, Maxey 54). So those are fouls drawn where the player is only getting 1 additional attempt. So you can see, little things here and there add up to reduce the number of relative FTA that Brunson takes compared other players. I'm sure there are other things I'm missing.

[Woodsanity]

In the end it's Joel who beats Joel...

I hear what you're saying but not all 30 pt games are made the same, ya know? If he's not very efficient and doesn't generate a lot of open looks for his team-mates, then that's a win for us even if he gets to 30 himself.

Same way that if you guys keep Jalen to meh efficiency without leaving our shooters wide open & them killing you, then that's a win for you even if Jalen gets to 30.

Was that the game he twisted his ankle thouhg? I might be remembering it wrong...

How nice it must be to already have the injury excuse prepped beforehand for the inevitable playoff chokejob.