Jokic's teammates failed him...AGAIN.

[tsherkin]

Jokic was great in Game 7. His NBA Efficiency number was above 40. That's greatness and no one else played at that level in this contest, particularly on his team. Including Murray.

Minny won despite Ant going 6/24. That says a lot.

Denver needs more talented depth. They almost got away with skimming on that, but it caught up to them in the end.

Ya, but Ant was as dominant defensively as Jokic was offensively. And he was like that the entire series.

he shot 6/24 but locked down the perimeter. Many are glossing over that. Ant played great honestly. He was dominant while missing tons of shots. That says something.

Yeah, Ant looked like ass on offense last night, but he wasn't sticky with the ball in his hands, he kept hustling and he was very good defensively. He looked shaken up in the first half, but right at the end of the 2nd, he started to come alive a little and he was doing good things in the second half. A learning experience for him, but he never stopped putting forth effort.

[sikma42]

I know people are generally blaming Nuggets bench but I don't think they were the reason they lost series..Nuggets actually lost the starting lineup minutes in most of the series. Nuggets bench did better than what was expected of them...Wolves bench also didn't do a ton...Kyle Anderson was disaster, NAW struggled. Naz also was on and off..even yesterday, Naz was quite bad in first half, he came alive in 2nd half only.

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It was not just the bench, imo. It was the rest of Denver's starters outside of Jokic and Murray. Aaron Gordon had 4 points on 2/5 shooting in an elimination game. That's comparable to that Tobias Harris performance in game 6 earlier this year. MPJ had 7 points on 3/12 shooting. KCP had 5 points on 2/7 shooting.

Aaron Gordon and KCP combined for a total of 82 minutes and scored a total of 10 points on 4/12 shooting. The Nuggets lost by 8. If the Nuggets just got a little bit more offensive production from their other 3 starters, they could have won.

Minny, on the other hand, had every single starter in double-digits. It's a team game. Minny was able to produce as a team. Denver wasn't.

Why did Gordon and KCP have so few looks? Everything ran through Jokic and Murray. This just looks like a team that was shocked…everything was fine until that 3rd quarter.

Because of that, when focusing on this game, when need to look at that time period. That’s when the game was lost and that’s not just on Jokic’s teammates.


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[iggymcfrack]

Yeah, they gotta move on from MPJ no matter how bad his trade value is. He makes some of the most bone-headed plays I've ever seen. It seems like he only knows two things when he gets the ball: shoot or take a one-dribble step-back - rinse and repeat. Missed a wide-open swing to the corner I don't know how many times that broke the Nuggets' momentum in this series.

Yeah, it really stands out when everyone else passes so well. It’s like Porter plays the game with blinders on or something. He hasn’t learned a single thing since he was at Missouri.

The problem with Porter is who's going to take on that contract? He's due almost 120 million over the next three years. He has to be near All Star to be worth that. What's worse, they have to extend Murray soon also.

Someone who wants a bunch of first rounders? Porter’s deal is bad, but it’s not like a LaVine level albatross. It’s movable.

[sikma42]

Yeah, it really stands out when everyone else passes so well. It’s like Porter plays the game with blinders on or something. He hasn’t learned a single thing since he was at Missouri.

The problem with Porter is who's going to take on that contract? He's due almost 120 million over the next three years. He has to be near All Star to be worth that. What's worse, they have to extend Murray soon also.

Someone who wants a bunch of first rounders? Porter’s deal is bad, but it’s not like a LaVine level albatross. It’s movable.

MPJ is easily movable. People would love a knockdown shooter that can pull up whenever.

He's getting very underrated and I'm not sure who Denver expects will help more. Anyone have an example here?

I'm sure you could easily move MPJ for Brandon Ingram

[mademan]

The problem with Porter is who's going to take on that contract? He's due almost 120 million over the next three years. He has to be near All Star to be worth that. What's worse, they have to extend Murray soon also.

Someone who wants a bunch of first rounders? Porter’s deal is bad, but it’s not like a LaVine level albatross. It’s movable.

MPJ is easily movable. People would love a knockdown shooter that can pull up whenever.

He's getting very underrated and I'm not sure who Denver expects will help more. Anyone have an example here?

Ya, he's overpaid, but he's a 6'10 borderline 50/40/90 guy. True he cant create and his defense is meh, but many teams will think he's a good fit. Denver wont get enough back to justify moving him tho as most teams will obv try to get him cheap as he's absolutely not worth his contract.

[tamaraw08]

Can this 3 time MVP get at least ONE former all-star to help him?

They seriously have to tweak that roster.

His help was unbelievably bad in a game 7 at home.

D'Angelo Russell is a former Allstar, we will gladly ship him to you guys for Murray.

[basketballRob]

I know people are generally blaming Nuggets bench but I don't think they were the reason they lost series..Nuggets actually lost the starting lineup minutes in most of the series. Nuggets bench did better than what was expected of them...Wolves bench also didn't do a ton...Kyle Anderson was disaster, NAW struggled. Naz also was on and off..even yesterday, Naz was quite bad in first half, he came alive in 2nd half only.

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It was not just the bench, imo. It was the rest of Denver's starters outside of Jokic and Murray. Aaron Gordon had 4 points on 2/5 shooting in an elimination game. That's comparable to that Tobias Harris performance in game 6 earlier this year. MPJ had 7 points on 3/12 shooting. KCP had 5 points on 2/7 shooting.

Aaron Gordon and KCP combined for a total of 82 minutes and scored a total of 10 points on 4/12 shooting. The Nuggets lost by 8. If the Nuggets just got a little bit more offensive production from their other 3 starters, they could have won.

Minny, on the other hand, had every single starter in double-digits. It's a team game. Minny was able to produce as a team. Denver wasn't.

Why did Gordon and KCP have so few looks? Everything ran through Jokic and Murray. This just looks like a team that was shocked…everything was fine until that 3rd quarter.

Because of that, when focusing on this game, when need to look at that time period. That’s when the game was lost and that’s not just on Jokic’s teammates.


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Gordon wasn't even looking at the basket when he had the ball. Jokic set him up a few times, and Gordon passed it back to him. Jokic had to take a lot of shots because his teammates wouldn't shoot.

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[tdotrep2]

Like Joker but his 3s are 8/35 22%. In a 7 game series no outside shooting takes away 30% of his threat. Wolves were challenging him to shoot

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It worked out, but it easily could of blew up in their face. He was just missing, he could of been hitting them at 40% and then they'd be forced to guard him opening the floor up for everyone else and it could of snowballed. It's a make or miss league.

[Nuntius]

I know people are generally blaming Nuggets bench but I don't think they were the reason they lost series..Nuggets actually lost the starting lineup minutes in most of the series. Nuggets bench did better than what was expected of them...Wolves bench also didn't do a ton...Kyle Anderson was disaster, NAW struggled. Naz also was on and off..even yesterday, Naz was quite bad in first half, he came alive in 2nd half only.

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It was not just the bench, imo. It was the rest of Denver's starters outside of Jokic and Murray. Aaron Gordon had 4 points on 2/5 shooting in an elimination game. That's comparable to that Tobias Harris performance in game 6 earlier this year. MPJ had 7 points on 3/12 shooting. KCP had 5 points on 2/7 shooting.

Aaron Gordon and KCP combined for a total of 82 minutes and scored a total of 10 points on 4/12 shooting. The Nuggets lost by 8. If the Nuggets just got a little bit more offensive production from their other 3 starters, they could have won.

Minny, on the other hand, had every single starter in double-digits. It's a team game. Minny was able to produce as a team. Denver wasn't.

Why did Gordon and KCP have so few looks? Everything ran through Jokic and Murray. This just looks like a team that was shocked…everything was fine until that 3rd quarter.

Because of that, when focusing on this game, when need to look at that time period. That’s when the game was lost and that’s not just on Jokic’s teammates.


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I will readily admit that I didn't watch the 3rd quarter. I tuned in at the 4th. What I saw at the 4th was that the rest of Denver's starters weren't really looking at the basket at all. But I cannot commend on the 3rd at all and I do agree that we do need to look at this crucial time period.

[G R E Y]

Like Joker but his 3s are 8/35 22%. In a 7 game series no outside shooting takes away 30% of his threat. Wolves were challenging him to shoot

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It worked out, but it easily could of blew up in their face. He was just missing, he could of been hitting them at 40% and then they'd be forced to guard him opening the floor up for everyone else and it could of snowballed. It's a make or miss league.

We'll considering his percentages, looks like they were onto something. He wasn't just missing, he was taking the lot of them and missing and that was targeted by Wolves because of pattern recognition. He's been averaging 26.4% from 3 this post season. 20% less than last post season. Wolves were going to exploit that until Jokic forced them not to but he didn't.

It's a huge task to require him to shoot 46% from 3 in order to have a chance to win. Hence the thread title.

[sikma42]

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It worked out, but it easily could of blew up in their face. He was just missing, he could of been hitting them at 40% and then they'd be forced to guard him opening the floor up for everyone else and it could of snowballed. It's a make or miss league.

We'll considering his percentages, looks like they were onto something. He wasn't just missing, he was taking the lot of them and missing and that was targeted by Wolves because of pattern recognition. He's been averaging 26.4% from 3 this post season. 20% less than last post season. Wolves were going to exploit that until Jokic forced them not to but he didn't.

It's a huge task to require him to shoot 46% from 3 in order to have a chance to win. Hence the thread title.

He was shooting a bad ball yesterday. You could look at his release and tell a lot of those 3 pointers had no chance of going in.


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[dygaction]

It worked out, but it easily could of blew up in their face. He was just missing, he could of been hitting them at 40% and then they'd be forced to guard him opening the floor up for everyone else and it could of snowballed. It's a make or miss league.

We'll considering his percentages, looks like they were onto something. He wasn't just missing, he was taking the lot of them and missing and that was targeted by Wolves because of pattern recognition. He's been averaging 26.4% from 3 this post season. 20% less than last post season. Wolves were going to exploit that until Jokic forced them not to but he didn't.

It's a huge task to require him to shoot 46% from 3 in order to have a chance to win. Hence the thread title.

He was shooting a bad ball yesterday. You could look at his release and tell a lot of those 3 pointers had no chance of going in.


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to be fair, if you want to tell by the look of form and release, majority of joker's 3s should not go in.

[BelgradeNugget]

I will readily admit that I didn't watch the 3rd quarter. I tuned in at the 4th. What I saw at the 4th was that the rest of Denver's starters weren't really looking at the basket at all. But I cannot commend on the 3rd at all and I do agree that we do need at this crucial time period.

In 3rd quarter all Nuggets players shoot wide open shots created off of Jokic double teams and miss them all.

[Bergmaniac]

1. Jokic is not prime MJ or Lebron. He’s going to be an All Timer, but his playoff resume is lacking, especially considering competition. He’s yet to beat a 50 win team.

2. This is less about the Nuggets role players failing and more about Minnesota just having that great of a defense. Shift the Nuggets blame to Timberwolves appreciation.

3. Games like this are when a guy like Porter is supposed to step up. He needs to play like an All Star for this team to really thrive.

man...that 50 win team is very misleading. In 2020, both Clippers & Jazz were 50 pace win teams...Clippers were on track to win 55-57 games but there were no 82 games due to covid. Last year's Suns team they beat was better than lot of 50 win teams that we have seen

No, it's not. You can't just extrapolate because as more games are played, things like attrition occurs. The Clippers are always on a 55 win pace until someone, namely Kawhi, gets hurt and now they're weakened in the playoffs. The Jazz team was young and they tend to stumble down the stretch also. That's like saying we don't need to vote because we have polls. It doesn't work that way.

Come on now. The Clippers won 49 out of 72 games in 2020. The odds of them losing all 10 extra games if the season had been standard length are astronomically low.

[ChuckChilly]

Since when has being up 20 at halftime been a death sentence? I was at the Hawks Celtics game this year where the Hawks came back from being down 35+ points near the end of the 3rd quarter. A 20 point lead is nothing in today's NBA, especially at half time.

[Synciere]

Someone who wants a bunch of first rounders? Porter’s deal is bad, but it’s not like a LaVine level albatross. It’s movable.

MPJ is easily movable. People would love a knockdown shooter that can pull up whenever.

He's getting very underrated and I'm not sure who Denver expects will help more. Anyone have an example here?

Ya, he's overpaid, but he's a 6'10 borderline 50/40/90 guy. True he cant create and his defense is meh, but many teams will think he's a good fit. Denver wont get enough back to justify moving him tho as most teams will obv try to get him cheap as he's absolutely not worth his contract.

Okay 3-1, you guys win.

I’m still skeptical though. There are a lot of ways to add shooting that don’t require taking on 40 million unless you have an even worse contract. What’s the point of being 6’10” if you’re not blocking shots or rebounding or defending? There’s a strong whiff of Tobias Harris here. Odds are he finishes that deal in Denver, or at best gets moved in his final year.

[Harry Garris]

Jokic was not good in the second half lol

Man this guy avoids criticism despite supposedly being the GOAT

He really doesn't, though.

[DuallyNoted]

Jamal Murray had the greatest game he ever had of the playoffs and Jokic missed how many 3s?

Gobert fouled out but soft doughy serbian man won’t post up like a dominant big?

does this guy pay for and 1s or are there that many (Please Use More Appropriate Word) people on this website

[picc]

I'd give MPJ one more year to perform before I tried moving him. If they trade him and he puts up 20 somewhere they're just going to look stupid.

They're one year removed from a title and lost to an all-time defensive team. **** relax.

Try to get a backup center and a backup scorer and run it back.

[iggymcfrack]

I'm sorry, but you're up 20 at home in the third quarter, you're the MVP, best player in the league. You can't lose that game. LeBron and Steph would be getting KILLED. Jokic is awesome, probably top 15 player all time. But, he has to be criticized if people want him to be in the goat debate. You can't lose that game, period.

After the Nuggets went up 20, Jokic scored 21 points on 16 shots the rest of the game and had 1 turnover. The rest of the team scored 11 points on 20 shots and had 5 turnovers. It’s not ALWAYS the star player’s fault no matter what when the team loses. One man can only do so much.