Is Jamal Murray washed?

[dhsilv2]

If Booth called up Phoenix and offered Murray for Beal straight up, they would laugh and hang up the phone.

That’s how bad Murray has been.

I'd still keep Murray, at his worst he is still the better defender.

At least Beal is a legit NBA athlete. He could average an efficient 20 ppg just cutting and playing off of Jokic.

Murray can’t even do that. He was never all that fast to begin with, and now it looks like he’s playing with concrete sneakers. He looks physically overmatched even against scrubs.

Murray is a better athlete...

[GeorgeSears]

It's clear to anyone who has been watching Murray the last several years that he appears to have a lost a step this season.

The reason his shooting splits are so low this year is because he can't create separation, either off the dribble or off the ball, which means more of his shots are contested.

What the Nuggets are hoping for is that he regains some of that explosiveness as the year progresses. There's no confidence that's going to happen.

[zero rings]

I'd still keep Murray, at his worst he is still the better defender.

At least Beal is a legit NBA athlete. He could average an efficient 20 ppg just cutting and playing off of Jokic.

Murray can’t even do that. He was never all that fast to begin with, and now it looks like he’s playing with concrete sneakers. He looks physically overmatched even against scrubs.

Murray is a better athlete...

Beal is actually solid at getting into the paint and finishing, something Murray has never been good at.

Murray puts zero pressure on the rim, despite playing with the best playmaking big in history. I have no doubt Beal would much more efficient in this role.

[dhsilv2]

At least Beal is a legit NBA athlete. He could average an efficient 20 ppg just cutting and playing off of Jokic.

Murray can’t even do that. He was never all that fast to begin with, and now it looks like he’s playing with concrete sneakers. He looks physically overmatched even against scrubs.

Murray is a better athlete...

Beal is actually solid at getting into the paint and finishing, something Murray has never been good at.

Murray puts zero pressure on the rim, despite playing with the best playmaking big in history. I have no doubt Beal would much more efficient in this role.

Beal's just too weak physically to play defense at any level, which is compounded in the playoffs when a bit more contact is allowed and the game slows. Offense isn't the issue with Beal. And I say this as someone who thinks Murray is a bad defender. Beal's just worse.

[zero rings]

Murray is a better athlete...

Beal is actually solid at getting into the paint and finishing, something Murray has never been good at.

Murray puts zero pressure on the rim, despite playing with the best playmaking big in history. I have no doubt Beal would much more efficient in this role.

Beal's just too weak physically to play defense at any level, which is compounded in the playoffs when a bit more contact is allowed and the game slows. Offense isn't the issue with Beal. And I say this as someone who thinks Murray is a bad defender. Beal's just worse.

Maybe so, but Beal is shooting 10% better from the field. Whatever edge Murray has on defense is not making up for that.

I’m confident Beal could give us an efficient 22 ppg as Jokic’s #2. That’s not worth his contract, but it’s still better than whatever the hell Jamal Murray is these days.

Like I said, Phoenix hangs up.

[dhsilv2]

Beal is actually solid at getting into the paint and finishing, something Murray has never been good at.

Murray puts zero pressure on the rim, despite playing with the best playmaking big in history. I have no doubt Beal would much more efficient in this role.

Beal's just too weak physically to play defense at any level, which is compounded in the playoffs when a bit more contact is allowed and the game slows. Offense isn't the issue with Beal. And I say this as someone who thinks Murray is a bad defender. Beal's just worse.

Maybe so, but Beal is shooting 10% better from the field. Whatever edge Murray has on defense is not making up for that.

I’m confident Beal could give us an efficient 22 ppg as Jokic’s #2. That’s not worth his contract, but it’s still better than whatever the hell Jamal Murray is these days.

Like I said, Phoenix hangs up.

Make it a efficient 28. I still think they're worse with Beal's defense.

[Roger Murdock]

Murray was like the 40th-50th best player in the league at his peak and is now like the 100th. He's definitely lost a few steps but hes never been an allstar caliber player. At his peak he was a really nice tertiary offensive piece that was inconsistent but capable of having some crazy games.

This board ranked him ahead of Donovan Mitchell 2 years ago which is insane. Hes never been as good as Mitchell was a rookie, let alone an all NBA quality player.

[TheFire]

He probably had his best regular season last year and then looked really washed up as the playoffs came around. He was noticeably a different player in the playoffs than he was in the regular season. I don't know if it was the calf injury that caused it, but that form has carried over into the Olympics and this season. Really odd how he just fell-off a cliff.

I was looking at highlights from his Championship run and he didn't look any more explosive than he is now, so it may just be mental at this point.

[MarcusBrody]

Murray was like the 40th-50th best player in the league at his peak and is now like the 100th. He's definitely lost a few steps but hes never been an allstar caliber player. At his peak he was a really nice tertiary offensive piece that was inconsistent but capable of having some crazy games.

This board ranked him ahead of Donovan Mitchell 2 years ago which is insane. Hes never been as good as Mitchell was a rookie, let alone an all NBA quality player.

I think if you look back, you'll see that a lot of the people who were Denver fans/watched Denver regularly actually ranked him lower than the consensus. There were genuine concerns about things like his low free throw rate and ability to generate offense when Jokic was off the floor (not even necessarily for himself, but to create for others efficiently without Jokic).

Now, no one was rating him as low as the level he's been playing for the last 8 months, but people already noted the holes in his game that are hurting him now when he isn't able to hit the tough shots that he was good at (but which also led to his high variance even when playing well).

[DKB333]

I do not want Beal on my team...

If Booth called up Phoenix and offered Murray for Beal straight up, they would laugh and hang up the phone.

That’s how bad Murray has been.

I'd still keep Murray, at his worst he is still the better defender.

Murray is a pretty piss poor defender if we are going to be honest here.

[BigGargamel]

It's clear to anyone who has been watching Murray the last several years that he appears to have a lost a step this season.

The reason his shooting splits are so low this year is because he can't create separation, either off the dribble or off the ball, which means more of his shots are contested.

What the Nuggets are hoping for is that he regains some of that explosiveness as the year progresses. There's no confidence that's going to happen.

He's been a notoriously slow starter throughout his career. That's the hope, but he just looks slower than usual so far.

Denver really has no choice but to continue to throw him out there and hope he figures it out. They have no chance without him at his best.

[The Servant]

Giga washed, bruv.

[dhsilv2]

If Booth called up Phoenix and offered Murray for Beal straight up, they would laugh and hang up the phone.

That’s how bad Murray has been.

I'd still keep Murray, at his worst he is still the better defender.

Murray is a pretty piss poor defender if we are going to be honest here.

agree, but beal is exceptionally bad.

[Ssj16]

Murray was like the 40th-50th best player in the league at his peak and is now like the 100th. He's definitely lost a few steps but hes never been an allstar caliber player. At his peak he was a really nice tertiary offensive piece that was inconsistent but capable of having some crazy games.

This board ranked him ahead of Donovan Mitchell 2 years ago which is insane. Hes never been as good as Mitchell was a rookie, let alone an all NBA quality player.

Even though I will admit that I'm wrong now, I feel justified in the past for putting Murray ahead of Mitchell based on his crazy playoff performances. It's not a given that you will perform in clutch moments, even when playing alongside the best player in the NBA but Murray did that.

[GeorgeSears]

It's clear to anyone who has been watching Murray the last several years that he appears to have a lost a step this season.

The reason his shooting splits are so low this year is because he can't create separation, either off the dribble or off the ball, which means more of his shots are contested.

What the Nuggets are hoping for is that he regains some of that explosiveness as the year progresses. There's no confidence that's going to happen.

He's been a notoriously slow starter throughout his career. That's the hope, but he just looks slower than usual so far.

Not necessarily.

When he came back from his year-long recovery from ACL surgery in 2022, he had a rough October for the first 6 games, but then he averaged averaging 20 ppg on 45/40% shooting splits in November. Last season, he got off to a fast start, was injured for a month, then came back and had a dominant December and January.

Slow starts are usually 6 games or so, they're not 20 games long. If someone plays poorly for the first 20 games, they're not going to flip the switch once the grind of the season begins.

It's concerning.

[AleksandarN]

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Funny thing is he has been bad against the Lakers too since the 2023 WCF. He hit a few game winners, but he was very inefficient in those games.

[mrvioletowl]

The only players with some value they can trade this season are Porter and Holmes(once he comes back). They should try to trade both to Blazers for Simons, Thybule and Reath. Bolster that bench. Simons can give you easy 20 plus points, if not more playing alongside Jokic. Trade Nnaji for Beasley back.
Or...trade Porter and any picks still left for Brogdon and Valanciunas. Start Brogdon and move Murray to backup SG until next season when you dump him for any two players that can play off Jokic.

[Alatan]

I'd still keep Murray, at his worst he is still the better defender.

At least Beal is a legit NBA athlete. He could average an efficient 20 ppg just cutting and playing off of Jokic.

Murray can’t even do that. He was never all that fast to begin with, and now it looks like he’s playing with concrete sneakers. He looks physically overmatched even against scrubs.

Murray is a better athlete...

Murray is one of the worst athletes at his position.

[Alatan]

Beal's just too weak physically to play defense at any level, which is compounded in the playoffs when a bit more contact is allowed and the game slows. Offense isn't the issue with Beal. And I say this as someone who thinks Murray is a bad defender. Beal's just worse.

Maybe so, but Beal is shooting 10% better from the field. Whatever edge Murray has on defense is not making up for that.

I’m confident Beal could give us an efficient 22 ppg as Jokic’s #2. That’s not worth his contract, but it’s still better than whatever the hell Jamal Murray is these days.

Like I said, Phoenix hangs up.

Make it a efficient 28. I still think they're worse with Beal's defense.

I dont know how can you think that Murray is somehow a better defender. He is a traffic cone out there.