Kings trade Fox to Spurs, get LaVine

[Drakeem]

Houston doesn't need to go for Fox. He's not going to be worth the money he's going to ask for without taking a step. If Houston is going to leverage their young talent, they need to aim higher.

[davidv2001]

The Kings would just hold Fox through next season if all they can get for him is a single first-round pick. Come on now.

I didn't literally mean a single first rd. pick and that's it. I meant, something that's based on a FRP,maybe toss in a couple of 2nds and decent filters, Keldon and Collins are the most likely

this is 2025, the Kings aren't going to keep him around for a whole season when he doesn't want to be there. there's alot of added risk going that route and since he's ony a rental, no1 is going to give up major assets for him. that means the best deal they can get is the one with the team he actually wants to go to, that's how Rich Paul navigates these things, he'll get his guy to where he wants to go

if the Kings don't get enough (in their eyes), they might wait to deal him over the summer but I highly doubt he will be in a Kings uniform at the start of training camp next year. there really isn't alot of sense in keeping him around, he'll be gone after next season anyway so if u can get a FRP, a couple of 2nds etc., why not do it? they're not getting a difference maker back for a 1.5 year rental of Fox, when his agent is basically tampering letting teams know "he's got his sights" on a specific team in the 2026 FA

The Kings aren’t taking a first-round pick, John Collins, Keldon Johnson and a few seconds for Fox right now. They could get a similar deal at next season’s trade deadline.

[Tottery]

Well, there is no indication he is going to sign an extension, so you gotta move him. If he really wants to be a Spur, they can negotiate when he is a free agent. No rush if you're a young team.

[CIN-C-STAR]

The Kings would just hold Fox through next season if all they can get for him is a single first-round pick. Come on now.

I didn't literally mean a single first rd. pick and that's it. I meant, something that's based on a FRP,maybe toss in a couple of 2nds and decent filters, Keldon and Collins are the most likely

this is 2025, the Kings aren't going to keep him around for a whole season when he doesn't want to be there. there's alot of added risk going that route and since he's ony a rental, no1 is going to give up major assets for him. that means the best deal they can get is the one with the team he actually wants to go to, that's how Rich Paul navigates these things, he'll get his guy to where he wants to go

if the Kings don't get enough (in their eyes), they might wait to deal him over the summer but I highly doubt he will be in a Kings uniform at the start of training camp next year. there really isn't alot of sense in keeping him around, he'll be gone after next season anyway so if u can get a FRP, a couple of 2nds etc., why not do it? they're not getting a difference maker back for a 1.5 year rental of Fox, when his agent is basically tampering letting teams know "he's got his sights" on a specific team in the 2026 FA

The Kings aren’t taking a first-round pick, John Collins, Keldon Johnson and a few seconds for Fox right now. They could get a similar deal at next season’s trade deadline.

Really depends on the value of the first round pick.
People throw “first round pick” out there as if that’s a monolithic thing, when really the value varies wildly depending on the pick.

[Exp0sed]

I didn't literally mean a single first rd. pick and that's it. I meant, something that's based on a FRP,maybe toss in a couple of 2nds and decent filters, Keldon and Collins are the most likely

this is 2025, the Kings aren't going to keep him around for a whole season when he doesn't want to be there. there's alot of added risk going that route and since he's ony a rental, no1 is going to give up major assets for him. that means the best deal they can get is the one with the team he actually wants to go to, that's how Rich Paul navigates these things, he'll get his guy to where he wants to go

if the Kings don't get enough (in their eyes), they might wait to deal him over the summer but I highly doubt he will be in a Kings uniform at the start of training camp next year. there really isn't alot of sense in keeping him around, he'll be gone after next season anyway so if u can get a FRP, a couple of 2nds etc., why not do it? they're not getting a difference maker back for a 1.5 year rental of Fox, when his agent is basically tampering letting teams know "he's got his sights" on a specific team in the 2026 FA

The Kings aren’t taking a first-round pick, John Collins, Keldon Johnson and a few seconds for Fox right now. They could get a similar deal at next season’s trade deadline.

Really depends on the value of the first round pick.
People throw “first round pick” out there as if that’s a monolithic thing, when really the value varies wildly depending on the pick.

ur right and i'm sure that's exactly what they're negotiating right now. SAS has a wide array of picks, it's own and a few other team's picks, they'll end up giving one of the better ones they have (if not the best) and that would be the centerpiece of the return in this trade imo. Sac really has very little leverage, even tho they're trying to act like that's not the case

[Exp0sed]

The Kings would just hold Fox through next season if all they can get for him is a single first-round pick. Come on now.

I didn't literally mean a single first rd. pick and that's it. I meant, something that's based on a FRP,maybe toss in a couple of 2nds and decent filters, Keldon and Collins are the most likely

this is 2025, the Kings aren't going to keep him around for a whole season when he doesn't want to be there. there's alot of added risk going that route and since he's ony a rental, no1 is going to give up major assets for him. that means the best deal they can get is the one with the team he actually wants to go to, that's how Rich Paul navigates these things, he'll get his guy to where he wants to go

if the Kings don't get enough (in their eyes), they might wait to deal him over the summer but I highly doubt he will be in a Kings uniform at the start of training camp next year. there really isn't alot of sense in keeping him around, he'll be gone after next season anyway so if u can get a FRP, a couple of 2nds etc., why not do it? they're not getting a difference maker back for a 1.5 year rental of Fox, when his agent is basically tampering letting teams know "he's got his sights" on a specific team in the 2026 FA

The Kings aren’t taking a first-round pick, John Collins, Keldon Johnson and a few seconds for Fox right now. They could get a similar deal at next season’s trade deadline.

they absoultely could not get a similar deal at next season's deadline. they might be able to get a similar deal in the Summer, that's true but at the deadline when Fox will be a few months from being a FA? hell no..they won't be getting anything worth getting if they'll wait that long and they won't, he'll be traded eithe by the deadline or before training camp next season

[JustBuzzin]

If I'm Orlando I make that gamble. You add Fox with Banchero/Franz and you looking at a real team who can win a championship this year. At worst they get another shot next season if he doesn't work they still have Banchero/Franz they will be just fine.

[Pointgod]

If I'm Orlando I make that gamble. You add Fox with Banchero/Franz and you looking at a real team who can win a championship this year. At worst they get another shot next season if he doesn't work they still have Banchero/Franz they will be just fine.

I dunno. Orlando is near the bottom in 3 point shooting. Both Paolo and Franz need the ball in their hands. Plus they’ll neeed to give up significant picks that could be used to bring in a shooter. What Fox adds to the team is a bit redundant with Franz and Paolo on board.

[davidv2001]

I didn't literally mean a single first rd. pick and that's it. I meant, something that's based on a FRP,maybe toss in a couple of 2nds and decent filters, Keldon and Collins are the most likely

this is 2025, the Kings aren't going to keep him around for a whole season when he doesn't want to be there. there's alot of added risk going that route and since he's ony a rental, no1 is going to give up major assets for him. that means the best deal they can get is the one with the team he actually wants to go to, that's how Rich Paul navigates these things, he'll get his guy to where he wants to go

if the Kings don't get enough (in their eyes), they might wait to deal him over the summer but I highly doubt he will be in a Kings uniform at the start of training camp next year. there really isn't alot of sense in keeping him around, he'll be gone after next season anyway so if u can get a FRP, a couple of 2nds etc., why not do it? they're not getting a difference maker back for a 1.5 year rental of Fox, when his agent is basically tampering letting teams know "he's got his sights" on a specific team in the 2026 FA

The Kings aren’t taking a first-round pick, John Collins, Keldon Johnson and a few seconds for Fox right now. They could get a similar deal at next season’s trade deadline.

they absoultely could not get a similar deal at next season's deadline. they might be able to get a similar deal in the Summer, that's true but at the deadline when Fox will be a few months from being a FA? hell no..they won't be getting anything worth getting if they'll wait that long and they won't, he'll be traded eithe by the deadline or before training camp next season

Unless that first-round pick was a 2025 or 2026 first from a team likely to finish top four in the lottery sweepstakes, the Kings are not trading Fox right now for that type of offer. Any one of those future picks being offered by teams like the Spurs, Magic, Heat, etc are no guarantee to land high in the lottery. The Spurs control the Hawks upcoming drafts, but those picks are likely mid-to-late lottery at best, unless Trae Young asks out. I don’t see one unprotected Hawks’ pick and filler getting Fox today.

The Spurs have a generational player in Wemby, so their picks will be late for a long time. The Magic are really young and already a playoff caliber team, so their picks will also be in the late teens to the twenties. Finally, the Heat will be a playoff team in the East for a long time when you pair Fox with Bam and Herro, so again we are likely projecting late picks.

The Kings can get one non-lottery first-round pick, expiring contract with player option for next season (Collins), mediocre long-term contract (Johnson) and a couple second-round picks at next February’s trade deadline for Fox. That’s a crap offer for a player of Fox’s caliber.

They are negotiating now because they plan to easily exceed that type of offer. If that’s the best offer they get by February 6, Fox will be in Sacramento through the end of the season, at a minimum.

[JM00n69]

If I'm Orlando I make that gamble. You add Fox with Banchero/Franz and you looking at a real team who can win a championship this year. At worst they get another shot next season if he doesn't work they still have Banchero/Franz they will be just fine.

Reason Fox wants out is because Kings wont give him the extension he wants. He was offered and turned down 3yrs/165M last year. He is eligible for a max of 5y/296M after if extended by Kings or traded and then extended by the new team. If he enters FA after his contract is over it's a max of 4yrs/219. $60M per year for 5 years is a big gamble and one that ORL specifically should stay away from due to the new CBA and it's massive limitations. They should build on their young core instead.

[Exp0sed]

The Kings aren’t taking a first-round pick, John Collins, Keldon Johnson and a few seconds for Fox right now. They could get a similar deal at next season’s trade deadline.

They are negotiating now because they plan to easily exceed that type of offer. If that’s the best offer they get by February 6, Fox will be in Sacramento through the end of the season, at a minimum.

"a player in Fox's calibre" with 1.5 seasons left on his contract is not the same as Fox with say...3-4 years left

in any event, that's what they're haggling over rn. since there are multiple suitors i'm confident the price will be driven high enough for Sac to accept. if I had to guess, assuming it's the Spurs we'll end up with something like:

Vassel, whose just 24 and can take Fox's place in the rotation in the hopes he can grow if given a chance and Keldon whose a decent, useful player on a declining 3 year contract + 2 Frp's, one of which will be good and the other not so much, throw in a couple of seconds and dumping Huerter's contract on the Spurs

that's a pretty decent offer, I doubt they'll get a better one with Rich Paul doing his thing and muddying the waters

edit: Fox wants that mega extention and not many teams would be so giddy to give him that imo and that supresses his trade value
Fox is a very good player but with tax and apron implications paying him 60m is a tough pill to swallow

[TeamTragic]

If I'm Orlando I make that gamble. You add Fox with Banchero/Franz and you looking at a real team who can win a championship this year. At worst they get another shot next season if he doesn't work they still have Banchero/Franz they will be just fine.

I dunno. Orlando is near the bottom in 3 point shooting. Both Paolo and Franz need the ball in their hands. Plus they’ll neeed to give up significant picks that could be used to bring in a shooter. What Fox adds to the team is a bit redundant with Franz and Paolo on board.

Not to mention a significant tax implication. This is a tough sell for Spurs as well IMO.

[JM00n69]

Kings have got all the time in the world to wait for the right offer and it's a positive for them that this is public news now. Not contending this year either way and with year and a half left they hold all the cards. They can sit back and wait for a deal they actually want. Just need to hope he doesn't pick up an injury playing all those minutes while they wait.

[Exp0sed]

If I'm Orlando I make that gamble. You add Fox with Banchero/Franz and you looking at a real team who can win a championship this year. At worst they get another shot next season if he doesn't work they still have Banchero/Franz they will be just fine.

I dunno. Orlando is near the bottom in 3 point shooting. Both Paolo and Franz need the ball in their hands. Plus they’ll neeed to give up significant picks that could be used to bring in a shooter. What Fox adds to the team is a bit redundant with Franz and Paolo on board.

Not to mention a significant tax implication. This is a tough sell for Spurs as well IMO.

except the Spurs are still pretty far away from the hefty extentions, Banchero and Franz are already there..
Castle is a rookie, Wemby is a sophomore and Sochan isn't a max guy anyway. the Spurs would be dumping Vassel's 27m per to the Kings and would have guys like Barnes and Collins coming off the books after next season. they're in a much better spot in that regard for say the next 2-3 years, they don't have to really worry about it

[davidv2001]

They are negotiating now because they plan to easily exceed that type of offer. If that’s the best offer they get by February 6, Fox will be in Sacramento through the end of the season, at a minimum.

"a player in Fox's calibre" with 1.5 seasons left on his contract is not the same as Fox with say...3-4 years left

in any event, that's what they're haggling over rn. since there are multiple suitors i'm confident the price will be driven high enough for Sac to accept. if I had to guess, assuming it's the Spurs we'll end up with something like:

Vassel, whose just 24 and can take Fox's place in the rotation in the hopes he can grow if given a chance and Keldon whose a decent, useful player on a declining 3 year contract + 2 Frp's, one of which will be good and the other not so much, throw in a couple of seconds and dumping Huerter's contract on the Spurs

that's a pretty decent offer, I doubt they'll get a better one with Rich Paul doing his thing and muddying the waters

edit: Fox wants that mega extention and not many teams would be so giddy to give him that imo and that supresses his trade value
Fox is a very good player but with tax and apron implications paying him 60m is a tough pill to swallow

Devin Vassell, Keldon Johnson and two first-round picks (one good and one not) is a much better return than one first-round pick, an expiring John Collins, Keldon Johnson and a few second-round picks. The Kings would strongly consider the Vassell offer today, but they wouldn’t strongly consider the Collins/Johnson one.

[JM00n69]

If I'm Orlando I make that gamble. You add Fox with Banchero/Franz and you looking at a real team who can win a championship this year. At worst they get another shot next season if he doesn't work they still have Banchero/Franz they will be just fine.

I dunno. Orlando is near the bottom in 3 point shooting. Both Paolo and Franz need the ball in their hands. Plus they’ll neeed to give up significant picks that could be used to bring in a shooter. What Fox adds to the team is a bit redundant with Franz and Paolo on board.

Not to mention a significant tax implication. This is a tough sell for Spurs as well IMO.

Spurs are primed with their cap space for 26/27 but with barely anyone on the roster. One is Wemby though so I'm sure they will look very hard at how they spend their cap space. I doubt Fox at 5yrs/300M is top of that list but I'm also very sure that Fox and his agent know that he'll not be getting max years/money from anyone. Spurs will have him for the right price and it'll probably be one of the better destinations for Fox as well. That 3/165 he turned down for Kings he might just take for the Spurs.

[TeamTragic]

I dunno. Orlando is near the bottom in 3 point shooting. Both Paolo and Franz need the ball in their hands. Plus they’ll neeed to give up significant picks that could be used to bring in a shooter. What Fox adds to the team is a bit redundant with Franz and Paolo on board.

Not to mention a significant tax implication. This is a tough sell for Spurs as well IMO.

Spurs are primed with their cap space for 26/27 but with barely anyone on the roster. One is Wemby though so I'm sure they will look very hard at how they spend their cap space. I doubt Fox at 5yrs/300M is top of that list but I'm also very sure that Fox and his agent know that he'll not be getting max years/money from anyone. Spurs will have him for the right price and it'll probably be one of the better destinations for Fox as well. That 3/165 he turned down for Kings he might just take for the Spurs.

When was the last time Pop or the Spurs paid someone max money?

[Exp0sed]

They are negotiating now because they plan to easily exceed that type of offer. If that’s the best offer they get by February 6, Fox will be in Sacramento through the end of the season, at a minimum.

Devin Vassell, Keldon Johnson and two first-round picks (one good and one not) is a much better return than one first-round pick, an expiring John Collins, Keldon Johnson and a few second-round picks. The Kings would strongly consider the Vassell offer today, but they wouldn’t strongly consider the Collins/Johnson one.

I agree, it's much better and in the current situation I think that's the best they're going to get. Spurs are gonna haggle and try to get off cheaper than that,especially as they don't have a nesseciity to act right now (in fact, getting another lotto pick this season could be useful down the line) but I suspect the Kings will eventually get them to cough up the package I outlined because at the end of the day, Fox is a really good target for the Spurs

he's from Texas originally (tho much close to Houston tbh), still young enough and on paper is a perfect fit for their long term need alongside Wemby, whose going to be available that's better or fits better? the Spurs would be wise to get it done now imo and have the two play out this season together, maybe even sneak into the playoffs and have a "dry run" in the playoffs, as a duo start to build some real chemistry

[RookieStar]

Us trading for Fox seems like a good humanitarian move.

With all the 3pt bricks the entire team will be making, Habitat for Humanity can hose the entire homeless population.

[JM00n69]

Not to mention a significant tax implication. This is a tough sell for Spurs as well IMO.

Spurs are primed with their cap space for 26/27 but with barely anyone on the roster. One is Wemby though so I'm sure they will look very hard at how they spend their cap space. I doubt Fox at 5yrs/300M is top of that list but I'm also very sure that Fox and his agent know that he'll not be getting max years/money from anyone. Spurs will have him for the right price and it'll probably be one of the better destinations for Fox as well. That 3/165 he turned down for Kings he might just take for the Spurs.

When was the last time Pop or the Spurs paid someone max money?

Not sure but it defo wont be Fox. He has value to some teams but it's nowhere near the max or max years. I feel like every team is aware of the new CBA implications but players still don't get it or are (obv) trying their best to get maxed. We'll be seeing a lot more 1-2 year deals for guys like Fox/Jimmy and a tier up from them and contending teams will be valuing their picks, late 1st/2nd rd, a lot more. Vet min guys that can give 10mins will be scooped up quick. The max was given out easy to early 30's guys like CP3/Russ/Lillard even and that will not happen again. PHI will be fcked by the PG contract they just signed and having Embiid as well (which was earlier so a pass there).