Rings are completely meaningsless to evaluate an NBA Legend's legacy

[Iwasawitness]

Pippen and Irving both won 1 series as the number 1. Pippen did better in the 2nd round, but he refused to stay in the game as Phil called for Kukoc to hit the game winning shot, Kukoc hit the shot with Pippen on the bench, Horace Grant ended the series with a higher GmSc, and ultimately the Bulls lost the series. The following year the Bulls were 34-31 before Jordan came back. Kyrie managed to make it to the Finals with Luka, while Pippen failed to make it to the Finals with Hakeem and the Trailblazers.

I hope you're not actually trying to argue that Irving is better at leading a team than Pippen.

Funny thing is Celtics made the Conference Finals without Kyrie then the very next season when Irving played, they got rekt in the 2nd round but hey its easier to said they both won 1 playoffs series they should be equal without the context that Pippen actually led the Bulls to 55 wins when the best player in the NBA leave their team while still getting the highest salary for the Bulls, finished 3rd in MVP voting and should've beat the eventual Conference champs Knicks in 94 if the refs didn't screwed them with that phantom call.. and when did Hakeem played for the Blazers?

I think he meant the Rockets. Either way, very silly to try to even argue that Irving is superior to Pippen as a leader. Downright laughable in fact.

[Big J]

I hope you're not actually trying to argue that Irving is better at leading a team than Pippen.

Funny thing is Celtics made the Conference Finals without Kyrie then the very next season when Irving played, they got rekt in the 2nd round but hey its easier to said they both won 1 playoffs series they should be equal without the context that Pippen actually led the Bulls to 55 wins when the best player in the NBA leave their team while still getting the highest salary for the Bulls, finished 3rd in MVP voting and should've beat the eventual Conference champs Knicks in 94 if the refs didn't screwed them with that phantom call.. and when did Hakeem played for the Blazers?

I think he meant the Rockets. Either way, very silly to try to even argue that Irving is superior to Pippen as a leader. Downright laughable in fact.

Pippen pouting on the bench because Phil didn’t draw up the game winner for him is exactly what great leaders do.

[Iwasawitness]

Funny thing is Celtics made the Conference Finals without Kyrie then the very next season when Irving played, they got rekt in the 2nd round but hey its easier to said they both won 1 playoffs series they should be equal without the context that Pippen actually led the Bulls to 55 wins when the best player in the NBA leave their team while still getting the highest salary for the Bulls, finished 3rd in MVP voting and should've beat the eventual Conference champs Knicks in 94 if the refs didn't screwed them with that phantom call.. and when did Hakeem played for the Blazers?

I think he meant the Rockets. Either way, very silly to try to even argue that Irving is superior to Pippen as a leader. Downright laughable in fact.

Pippen pouting on the bench because Phil didn’t draw up the game winner for him is exactly what great leaders do.

Alright, I’ll bite, when did I say Pippen was a great leader?

[NZB2323]

Sure, but unlike Irving, he’s proven he can lead a team.

Pippen and Irving both won 1 series as the number 1. Pippen did better in the 2nd round, but he refused to stay in the game as Phil called for Kukoc to hit the game winning shot, Kukoc hit the shot with Pippen on the bench, Horace Grant ended the series with a higher GmSc, and ultimately the Bulls lost the series. The following year the Bulls were 34-31 before Jordan came back. Kyrie managed to make it to the Finals with Luka, while Pippen failed to make it to the Finals with Hakeem and the Trailblazers.

I hope you're not actually trying to argue that Irving is better at leading a team than Pippen.

No, just that they had the same level of success as a #1 option.

[NZB2323]

Pippen and Irving both won 1 series as the number 1. Pippen did better in the 2nd round, but he refused to stay in the game as Phil called for Kukoc to hit the game winning shot, Kukoc hit the shot with Pippen on the bench, Horace Grant ended the series with a higher GmSc, and ultimately the Bulls lost the series. The following year the Bulls were 34-31 before Jordan came back. Kyrie managed to make it to the Finals with Luka, while Pippen failed to make it to the Finals with Hakeem and the Trailblazers.

I hope you're not actually trying to argue that Irving is better at leading a team than Pippen.

Funny thing is Celtics made the Conference Finals without Kyrie then the very next season when Irving played, they got rekt in the 2nd round but hey its easier to said they both won 1 playoffs series they should be equal without the context that Pippen actually led the Bulls to 55 wins when the best player in the NBA leave their team while still getting the highest salary for the Bulls, finished 3rd in MVP voting and should've beat the eventual Conference champs Knicks in 94 if the refs didn't screwed them with that phantom call.. and when did Hakeem played for the Blazers?

Pippen failed to make it to the finals with Hakeem and Pippen failed to make it to the finals with the Trailblazers.

[Iwasawitness]

I hope you're not actually trying to argue that Irving is better at leading a team than Pippen.

Funny thing is Celtics made the Conference Finals without Kyrie then the very next season when Irving played, they got rekt in the 2nd round but hey its easier to said they both won 1 playoffs series they should be equal without the context that Pippen actually led the Bulls to 55 wins when the best player in the NBA leave their team while still getting the highest salary for the Bulls, finished 3rd in MVP voting and should've beat the eventual Conference champs Knicks in 94 if the refs didn't screwed them with that phantom call.. and when did Hakeem played for the Blazers?

Pippen failed to make it to the finals with Hakeem and Pippen failed to make it to the finals with the Trailblazers.

Why do you keep mentioning Hakeem like Pippen played with him in his prime? He didn’t, and given that it was a shortened season, they didn’t have nearly enough time to develop chemistry (although to be fair, Barkley was the bigger issue at that point).

[Homer38]

I hope you're not actually trying to argue that Irving is better at leading a team than Pippen.

Funny thing is Celtics made the Conference Finals without Kyrie then the very next season when Irving played, they got rekt in the 2nd round but hey its easier to said they both won 1 playoffs series they should be equal without the context that Pippen actually led the Bulls to 55 wins when the best player in the NBA leave their team while still getting the highest salary for the Bulls, finished 3rd in MVP voting and should've beat the eventual Conference champs Knicks in 94 if the refs didn't screwed them with that phantom call.. and when did Hakeem played for the Blazers?

Pippen failed to make it to the finals with Hakeem and Pippen failed to make it to the finals with the Trailblazers.

The rockets were 41-41 in 1998 without Pippen,31-19 in 1999 with Pippen and 28-54 without Pippen...what is your point?.....The rockets were a very washed team at that point

The blazers also almost upset a great lakers team in 2000 and they would likely won the finals if they would beat this lakers team.

[NZB2323]

Funny thing is Celtics made the Conference Finals without Kyrie then the very next season when Irving played, they got rekt in the 2nd round but hey its easier to said they both won 1 playoffs series they should be equal without the context that Pippen actually led the Bulls to 55 wins when the best player in the NBA leave their team while still getting the highest salary for the Bulls, finished 3rd in MVP voting and should've beat the eventual Conference champs Knicks in 94 if the refs didn't screwed them with that phantom call.. and when did Hakeem played for the Blazers?

Pippen failed to make it to the finals with Hakeem and Pippen failed to make it to the finals with the Trailblazers.

The rockets were 41-41 in 1998 without Pippen,31-19 in 1999 with Pippen and 28-54 without Pippen...what is your point?.....The rockets were a very washed team at that point

The blazers also almost upset a great lakers team in 2000 and they would likely won the finals if they would beat this lakers team.

My point was that Kyrie made it further post LeBron than Pippen did post Jordan.

[Ballerhogger]

I see you Chris Paul

[MavsDirk41]

Funny thing is Celtics made the Conference Finals without Kyrie then the very next season when Irving played, they got rekt in the 2nd round but hey its easier to said they both won 1 playoffs series they should be equal without the context that Pippen actually led the Bulls to 55 wins when the best player in the NBA leave their team while still getting the highest salary for the Bulls, finished 3rd in MVP voting and should've beat the eventual Conference champs Knicks in 94 if the refs didn't screwed them with that phantom call.. and when did Hakeem played for the Blazers?

Pippen failed to make it to the finals with Hakeem and Pippen failed to make it to the finals with the Trailblazers.

The rockets were 41-41 in 1998 without Pippen,31-19 in 1999 with Pippen and 28-54 without Pippen...what is your point?.....The rockets were a very washed team at that point

The blazers also almost upset a great lakers team in 2000 and they would likely won the finals if they would beat this lakers team.

Scottie Pippen is one of the greatest #2 options in nba history and top 50 player of all time. But that is what he was and we dont need to act like he was anything more than that. Those Blazers teams were stacked too. Pippen wasnt the engine that led those teams either. We dont need to fantasize Pippen.

[balrog27]

I don’t think anyone is putting Robert harry over Barkley thoz

[cavs4872]

They are given way too much importance. People like Shaq will simplify debates down to "Jordan has more rings than LeBron". JaVale McGee has three rings for Christ's sake lol.

[Doranku]

Rings are the single most important factor in evaluating an NBA legend's legacy. How many people talk about the fact that Hakeem's Rockets were the only team to beat the Showtime Lakers from '85-88 in just his 2nd year in the league? No one. They bring up '94 and '95.

[HighFlyer23]

Well thats exactly what KD did, twice.

He never did that he was never the leader that would be curry

There we go with the hater take. Nah it was KD, and Steph was the first to admit it. He had zero problem with KD being FMVP. You just use a completely irrational fanboy/hater perspective.

Where did Steph say that

KD was never the leader of the team he avoids that role at all costs because he cannot handle the pressure that comes with it and just wants to play basketball

He may have been the best player but never the leader

People in here saying stupid stuff like McGee has 3 rings and Barkley has 0

Youre comparing a number one option with a role player ... It's apples and oranges ....


Comparing lebron and Jordan in the rings department makes sense .... Comparing lebron and Robert horry doesn't make sense they are in different classes and categories


Leading your team to a championship is the ultimate achievement and the purpose of playing the game ... And usually the best player leads to titles


Individual circumstances matter of course but if you are able to lead your team to a championship you should get major credit and a massive legacy boost