[Shams] Sources: Giannis Antetokounmpo to explore best fits outside of Milwaukee

[WiggOuts]

I think it'll boil down to who is the best young player they can get packaged with picks. SA pretty much holds the cards here being the most likely to trade, other teams that can compete with their offer arent likely to deal. Probably the best young player being offered outside of SA is probably Scottie Barnes

I don't think Giannis cares but I hope he doesn't go West

[Ugly0598]

Giannis has the “cool. don’t care.” injury bug, or something.

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[sackings916]

Does Shams lose credibility for throwing BS at the wall and hoping it sticks?

It benefits the Bucks to tell everyone Giannis doesn’t want out. They lose leverage otherwise. So tell everyone Giannis doesn’t want out but behind the scenes find the best deal.

[GiannisAnte34]

Does Shams lose credibility for throwing BS at the wall and hoping it sticks?

It benefits the Bucks to tell everyone Giannis doesn’t want out. They lose leverage otherwise. So tell everyone Giannis doesn’t want out but behind the scenes find the best deal.

Can you name a time this happened?

[LegendOfSalmons]

Does Shams lose credibility for throwing BS at the wall and hoping it sticks?

It benefits the Bucks to tell everyone Giannis doesn’t want out. They lose leverage otherwise. So tell everyone Giannis doesn’t want out but behind the scenes find the best deal.

Can you name a time this happened?

Kawhi Leonard.

[sackings916]

Does Shams lose credibility for throwing BS at the wall and hoping it sticks?

It benefits the Bucks to tell everyone Giannis doesn’t want out. They lose leverage otherwise. So tell everyone Giannis doesn’t want out but behind the scenes find the best deal.

Can you name a time this happened?

It happens all he time, we just don’t hear about it.

[GiannisAnte34]

It benefits the Bucks to tell everyone Giannis doesn’t want out. They lose leverage otherwise. So tell everyone Giannis doesn’t want out but behind the scenes find the best deal.

Can you name a time this happened?

Kawhi Leonard.

That’s not true he was demanding trades the summer before he was traded

[GiannisAnte34]

It benefits the Bucks to tell everyone Giannis doesn’t want out. They lose leverage otherwise. So tell everyone Giannis doesn’t want out but behind the scenes find the best deal.

Can you name a time this happened?

It happens all he time, we just don’t hear about it.

If it happens all the time it should be easy to list some players where it happened

[Profound23]

It benefits the Bucks to tell everyone Giannis doesn’t want out. They lose leverage otherwise. So tell everyone Giannis doesn’t want out but behind the scenes find the best deal.

Can you name a time this happened?

Kawhi Leonard.

It's not the Bucks who are saying Giannis doesn't want out. Giannis himself just posted a photo of him holding a Bucks jersey stating "I hope to be back soon with the Bucks."

[LegendOfSalmons]

Can you name a time this happened?

Kawhi Leonard.

That’s not true he was demanding trades the summer before he was traded

You asked for a time this happened and I answered your question. Kawhi trade request became public knowledge in the summer of 2018, but the key point is how the Spurs publicly handled it.

Even after reports came out that Kawhi wanted out, the Spurs never officially confirmed it. They maintained a posture of trying to work things out. So yes, Kawhi had made it known behind the scenes that he wanted to be traded, and that information did eventually leak. But the Spurs did not openly acknowledge his trade request for quite some time. It was more of a “we’re still in communication” and “we hope to move forward together” narrative, even while quietly taking trade calls.

I get that you're a big Giannis homer with an infatuation for him and probably don’t want to even entertain the idea of him leaving, which is fair. But when there’s evidence that similar situations have happened before, it makes more sense to acknowledge the possibility instead of dismissing it outright just to strengthen your argument. That’s not to say it will happen now or that Giannis privately wants out, just that it could happen. At the end of the day, the NBA is a business, and we’ve seen this kind of thing before.

[LegendOfSalmons]

Can you name a time this happened?

Kawhi Leonard.

It's not the Bucks who are saying Giannis doesn't want out. Giannis himself just posted a photo of him holding a Bucks jersey stating "I hope to be back soon with the Bucks."

The poster asked for historical precedence of an organization telling everyone that their player doesn't want out while trying to find the best deal behind the scenes. I pointed out the Kawhi situation with the Spurs.

[Profound23]

Kawhi Leonard.

It's not the Bucks who are saying Giannis doesn't want out. Giannis himself just posted a photo of him holding a Bucks jersey stating "I hope to be back soon with the Bucks."

The poster asked for historical precedence of an organization telling everyone that their player doesn't want out while trying to find the best deal behind the scenes. I pointed out the Kawhi situation with the Spurs.

I understand, I'm painting a more realistic picture of the situation so we aren't painting this with a broad scope so we can compare this situation to others similar to Kawhi.

[GiannisAnte34]

Kawhi Leonard.

That’s not true he was demanding trades the summer before he was traded

You asked for a time this happened and I answered your question. Kawhi trade request became public knowledge in the summer of 2018, but the key point is how the Spurs publicly handled it.

Even after reports came out that Kawhi wanted out, the Spurs never officially confirmed it. They maintained a posture of trying to work things out. So yes, Kawhi had made it known behind the scenes that he wanted to be traded, and that information did eventually leak. But the Spurs did not openly acknowledge his trade request for quite some time. It was more of a “we’re still in communication” and “we hope to move forward together” narrative, even while quietly taking trade calls.

I get that you're a big Giannis homer with an infatuation for him and probably don’t want to even entertain the idea of him leaving, which is fair. But when there’s evidence that similar situations have happened before, it makes more sense to acknowledge the possibility instead of dismissing it outright just to strengthen your argument. That’s not to say it will happen now or that Giannis privately wants out, just that it could happen. At the end of the day, the NBA is a business, and we’ve seen this kind of thing before.

The original premise was that the franchise was doing the talking while the player did not make any demands to be traded or end up at X location. I rejected the Kawhi example because it doesn’t fit the second criteria that the player made no hint or statement of wanting out. It was very clearly stated by Kawhi that he wanted out AND that he wanted to specifically land in LA. Compound that with the fact that the Spurs have a rivalry with LA and it’s an even worse example, as a side note.

[GiannisAnte34]

It's not the Bucks who are saying Giannis doesn't want out. Giannis himself just posted a photo of him holding a Bucks jersey stating "I hope to be back soon with the Bucks."

The poster asked for historical precedence of an organization telling everyone that their player doesn't want out while trying to find the best deal behind the scenes. I pointed out the Kawhi situation with the Spurs.

I understand, I'm painting a more realistic picture of the situation so we aren't painting this with a broad scope so we can compare this situation to others similar to Kawhi.

The comparison I’m asking for examples of is a star player NOT making any statement that they want to be traded or live in X city. The franchise trying to make it work, then ultimately trading them as a last ditch to get something out of it.

This is the reality with Giannis, taking questions like “what city other than Milwaukee do you enjoy the most” as some kind of evidence that Giannis wants to play in Florida is dishonest

[Up-And-Coming]

I've been saying Giannis will stay East throughout all the online speculation from fans and "analysts" pointing to certain West team's trade assets. It still doesn't make much sense to me that he would uproot his entire life for the first time in his career to go West where he could form a a good team but still won't be favorites to come out of the Conference because of how stacked it is which defeats the whole purpose of him leaving in the first place.

IF he gets traded this season I still believe it will be to an Eastern Conference team and I won't be surprised if he just stays in Milwaukee for now.

[TheGeneral99]

I've been saying Giannis will stay East throughout all the online speculation from fans and "analysts" pointing to certain West team's trade assets. It still doesn't make much sense to me that he would uproot his entire life for the first time in his career to go West where he could form a a good team but still won't be favorites to come out of the Conference because of how stacked it is which defeats the whole purpose of him leaving in the first place.

IF he gets traded this season I still believe it will be to an Eastern Conference team and I won't be surprised if he just stays in Milwaukee for now.

It would be smart for any MVP caliber player with a goal to win to move to the East right now, especially with Boston out of the race for at least 1 year.

[Lockdown504090]

Can this thread be deleted as speculative? Why are we treating “maybe” as journalism

I know it hurts, but it is Shams, not some random journalist. Also, it is interesting topic.

"The Bucks and Antetokounmpo's representatives, Giorgios Panou and Alex Saratsis, are expected to sit down during the offseason to discuss the future, sources said."

This is the only reporting in this article. Thats just some guys that work for teams speculating on what they think freak will do

[durden_tyler]

Can this thread be deleted as speculative? Why are we treating “maybe” as journalism

I know it hurts, but it is Shams, not some random journalist. Also, it is interesting topic.

"The Bucks and Antetokounmpo's representatives, Giorgios Panou and Alex Saratsis, are expected to sit down during the offseason to discuss the future, sources said."

This is the only reporting in this article. Thats just some guys that work for teams speculating on what they think freak will do

… which means, a chance that Giannis leaves, correct?

The only way this stops is if and when Giannis declares something like; “i have not and will not demand a trade out of Milwaukee and i expect to stay here forever.” Publicly.

Maybe i missed it and he already declared such?


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[robbie84]

But seriously, who's ready to win and got lots of assets? OKC. Pacers. Houston.

Dark horses - Philly, Mavs, Raptors.

OKC - why not. Chet for Giannis and some picks? Pacers got tons of young players. Swap Pascal and a young player with picks for Giannis. Houston - Jabari and some picks for Giannis. And you can't forget the Nigerian connection - Ime and Giannis would be a dream team.

Philly could go for broke here - will have to trade one of Embiid or PG13 and picks. Mavs are in a hurry to get legit, though the fit of Davis and Giannis is questionable. Masai has always dreamt of working with Giannis. He just might be ready to pull off another monster trade.

Houston, Boston, Orlando, Detroit.
Eg if he said he wants to go to Boston and the Bucks get offered Jaylen Brown, do they have much choice ? I'm following the line of the idea that Giannis himself is deciding where HE wants to go. If he picks a place and says I ain't signing extension with anyone else, they're kinda screwed.