2023 Western Conference Finals | (1) Denver Nuggets VS (7) Los Angeles Lakers (DEN leads 3-0)

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Who wins the WCF's?

Nuggets in 4
40
29%
Nuggets in 5
47
34%
Nuggets in 6
23
16%
Nuggets in 7
7
5%
Lakers in 6
10
7%
Lakers in 7
13
9%
 
Total votes: 140

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Post#2201 » by socal74 » Sun May 21, 2023 5:34 am

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:I remember in the lowe post zach mentioned how on ESPN they asked who would have won a series between the Nuggets and the Lakers and ALL panelists (Spears, Shelburne, Carter and Thompson) said the Lakers.
Tristan Thompson in particular was very bullish against the Nuggets in other occasions as well.
Can't find the video.

So what? Those same panelists picked the warriors and see how that went
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Post#2202 » by Exp0sed » Sun May 21, 2023 5:36 am

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iggymcfrack wrote:
He's a MUCH better passer this year and he's played better defense too. Sure the teammates make up most of the difference, but he's still significantly better this season.


His regular season and playoff production is exactly the same as last year.


Last year, he had 7.9 APG and 5.8 APG in the playoffs. This year he averaged 9.8 APG in the regular season and 10.2 APG in the playoffs. He was a terrific passer before, but he definitely hit a new level this year. He might have the same scoring production, but he lifts everyone else's game more this year. It's not just better teammates. He's gone from the best passing big man of all-time to literally the best passer period since Magic. It's a marked difference.


no, he hasn't
it's easy to get 3-4 more assists per game when u find shooters\cutters across the floor and not Will Barton and AG

he improved in some areas (mostly mentally, an area where he's growing season by season) but he is exactly the same transcendant passer that he was last season and long before that
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Post#2203 » by Roscoe Sheed » Sun May 21, 2023 5:44 am

MoMan24 wrote:I honestly can't believe Darvin Ham went with D-Lo again. I'm actually shocked. Russel was a team worst -25 in game 1. A team worst -16 in game 2. Tied for 2nd worst -12 in game 3. He hasn't shot well at all this series. If they give his 20 minutes to Troy Brown Jr I am 100% certain they aren't down 3-0 in this series. So dumb of Ham to keep trusting Russel when their margin for error against the Denver team is low. Continuing to play a player that I don't think will be back next year is disgraceful. **** his feelings. He sucks and the Wolves couldn't wait to get rid of him. This is why.

he doesn't have a lot of options- is he going to play Schroder over 40 minutes a game? At some point even he would get tired with the defense he plays
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Post#2204 » by AleksandarN » Sun May 21, 2023 5:49 am

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dhsilv2 wrote:The worst part of this run is that we're going to see people change the narrative about Jokic. Like...he played JUST as well in the playoffs last year. He might have had a better season last year. But suddenly because he has NBA players starting with him and not G league allstars, people are going to think he's done something different.


He's a MUCH better passer this year and he's played better defense too. Sure the teammates make up most of the difference, but he's still significantly better this season.


I think he reads the game better than he did last year not necessarily passing has improved per say.
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Post#2205 » by Swag » Sun May 21, 2023 5:51 am

Marvin Martian wrote:Crazy how people are talking about Lebron when this isn't even his team.
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Post#2206 » by baldur » Sun May 21, 2023 5:52 am

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:For game 4 all the pressure will be on the Nuggets.
If they don't close it the momentum will be on the Lakers and they might become the first team to lose it from 3-0.
Will LeBron add a new record to his career?



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Post#2207 » by The Warrior » Sun May 21, 2023 5:53 am

Hey guys, I've been away from here the last few days. Just wondering what the latest analysis is on this series. Are the Lakers in very very very good position? Right where they want the Nuggets now?

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Post#2208 » by Heej » Sun May 21, 2023 5:59 am

Honestly man the Lakers at this rate can't afford to lose Rui and Austin so I'm not sure how much upside they have left from any one trade. I think their best course of action is trying to turn that pick and spare parts into a good backup big the way Dwight was for them. Especially one that can pressure the offensive glass. Cavs era Tristan Thompson would actually have been perfect. The Rodman comparisons to Vanderbilt fell short because he isn't actually a force in the paint the way Rodman was. And they'll need to pray Max Christie develops into a solid starting wing.
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Post#2209 » by KyRo23 » Sun May 21, 2023 6:06 am

Heej wrote:Honestly man the Lakers at this rate can't afford to lose Rui and Austin so I'm not sure how much upside they have left from any one trade. I think their best course of action is trying to turn that pick and spare parts into a good backup big the way Dwight was for them. Especially one that can pressure the offensive glass. Cavs era Tristan Thompson would actually have been perfect. The Rodman comparisons to Vanderbilt fell short because he isn't actually a force in the paint the way Rodman was. And they'll need to pray Max Christie develops into a solid starting wing.


Rui was the best thing that happened. The Russ trade was nice to get him off the team, but that trade is kinda meh otherwise. Dlo and Vando might look good during the regular season and I think LA could get a much better seed next year with them, but the playoffs are different. Unless Dlo is scorching, he is trash and Vando still looks iffy most games. I hope they play Christie more next season for sure
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Post#2210 » by Up-And-Coming » Sun May 21, 2023 6:11 am

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Spice Melange wrote:Hopefully Loma wins tonight so i can feel a little better after today lol. Im expecting a hug-a-thon from Haney though


I think Haney got this. Should be tough though


In hindsight, Loma should have won. I got Loma 7 rounds to Haney 5...
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Post#2211 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Sun May 21, 2023 6:25 am

socal74 wrote:
Ryoga Hibiki wrote:I remember in the lowe post zach mentioned how on ESPN they asked who would have won a series between the Nuggets and the Lakers and ALL panelists (Spears, Shelburne, Carter and Thompson) said the Lakers.
Tristan Thompson in particular was very bullish against the Nuggets in other occasions as well.
Can't find the video.

So what? Those same panelists picked the warriors and see how that went

I left out that this was in February
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Post#2212 » by Sgt Major » Sun May 21, 2023 6:26 am

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Post#2213 » by metalinguss » Sun May 21, 2023 6:28 am

Anything interesting said during the press conference?
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Post#2214 » by HotRocks34 » Sun May 21, 2023 6:30 am

Jokic brothers in the house

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Post#2215 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Sun May 21, 2023 6:39 am

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might this lead to a change in the coverage from ESPN?
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Post#2216 » by SFour » Sun May 21, 2023 6:47 am

Lakers figured out the Nuggets…being down 0-3 doesnt mean much.
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Post#2217 » by BelgradeNugget » Sun May 21, 2023 6:50 am

The Warrior wrote:Hey guys, I've been away from here the last few days. Just wondering what the latest analysis is on this series. Are the Lakers in very very very good position? Right where they want the Nuggets now?

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Post#2218 » by Mick Dundee » Sun May 21, 2023 6:57 am

I am so happy for the Nuggets being up 0:3 against the Los Angeles Freethrowers.

But I won't crap all over their fans, because I experienced them as pretty classy since the Series began.

That being said ... I wonder, if Nick Wrong kept his word ... (Minute 16:00) ...

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Post#2219 » by The Warrior » Sun May 21, 2023 6:58 am

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The Warrior wrote:Hey guys, I've been away from here the last few days. Just wondering what the latest analysis is on this series. Are the Lakers in very very very good position? Right where they want the Nuggets now?

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Post#2220 » by dhsilv2 » Sun May 21, 2023 7:00 am

G35 wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
socal74 wrote:who gives a **** as long as he's being recognized. You sound like some "me too" bitch


what is a me too bitch? lol

And yes, it's annoying seeing people change THEIR narrative over playoff games. It's not about jokic, but about seeing people flip their trash takes after seeing a guy do the exact same thing he did for 3 years do just that again with context outside of his control being the only change.



There could be a lot of reasons why a player/team has more success:
- injuries
- matchups
- quality of teams in conference

This is one of the weakest years in the West imo. When is the last time a 6th seed and a 7th beat the 2nd and 3rd seed in the playoffs.

I think that you are assuming that people are changing their narrative because of the results. Just because a player/team has success in the playoffs does not mean people do not see the context. I think Jokic is a great talent and I see the comparisons of him being on the level of Shaq/Kareem/Hakeem, but I'm not putting him on that level even if the Nuggets win a championship. When Jokic got his 4th foul and sat out, what was it the last 5-6 minutes of the 3rd quarter, the Lakers blew their opportunity. They should have taken the lead and pushed it out to at least 6-8 points. AD didn't do anything and neither did Lebron. Mike Malone actually went small and the Nuggets defense was pretty good.

I would say the Lakers were disappointing by not coming out strong at home, when this was a must win game. I think Lebron is tired and injured and AD is just AD, he doesn't play to dominate and it shows up at the most inopportune times. I don't think Jamal Murray and Jokic is the next Magic/Kareem, Kobe/Shaq, Duncan/Ginobli, Jordan/Pippen, or Steph/Klay. They are the best of who is left......


Well I didn't call you out. The thing is people have argued that calling Jokic the best offensive center, on par with or better than Shaq and Kareem was insane. Even last year! I mean...Last YEAR! That was a narrative that people got upset with! When it was a no brainer those were his peers offensively!

And now after these playoffs, people are going to start considering that reasonable. Nothing has changed. But the narrative will.

And competition? That doesn't matter! Shaq dominated in a pretty good era pre give or take 96-97. Expantion hurt the league pretty hard in 96, but there were enough old guys still around to sustain it a few years. But his laker run was the worst the NBA was post merger. So to argue for Shaq in the most watered down era ever is silly. Jokic is going against a league with not ultra concentrated super team, but overall the league is as healthy (well not player health, as we know this is the most physically demanding era ever) and talented as it's ever been.

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