2023 West Semifinals | (1) Denver Nuggets VS (4) Phoenix Suns (Series tied 2-2)

[Mrakar]

Jokic with 2 of the greatest playoff games ever and they lost both :O

30p, 17r, 17a on 58% FG
50p, 4r, 11abon 60% FG

Man was responsible directly for ~150 points in 2 games.

[afarmenian]

How is that even a fair question? If I'm a fan sitting courtside I throw the ball back immediately and don't hold it like he did...can you imagine if every fan did that? This is called entitlement because he's an owner.

Its a pretty simple answer, what you are doing is attempting to qualify it to spin a narrative. Its a yes or no question, not a trick question. It doesnt matter if he was holding Jokics newborn son, Jokic made contact first yes or no. Grabbing something out of someone's hand is initiating contact yes or no?

See you realgm guys are funny you will just cling to something completely illogical when presented with facts. It really is a microcosm of how jacked up the human psyche is. Just admit he touched him first and he was wrong! Thats it! The owner shouldnt have dont what he did but two wrongs dont make a right. Thats fine that the owner was wrong, ban him forever, make him sell the team, i dont give a ****, it doesnt change that Jokic was wrong! It doesnt change what happened. Five him a dollar fine and move on I don't care about the consequences I care about how twisted things can get when its clear to anyone with a working set of eyes what happened and what the rules are.

Its just like when players leave the bench and get suspended and fans try to twist things 100 times sideways to justify why they shouldnt get punished. Well dur errr the other team did a and b and c did to the other and it all leads back to the facts at hand are undisputed.

Except life isn’t black and white like you’re trying to make this appear. If I break into your house you have a the right to shoot me.

This is going nowhere so agree to disagree.

he said making an absurd example that is in no way akin to anything that transpired.

still flawed because you are talking crimes vs rules but would be more like if you drop your wallet in my lap and I don't give it back and you shoot me for it.....well yes should have given it back but you don't get to shoot someone willy nilly like that, and even though you shot me for a reason it doesnt change the FACT that shot me and you might be in trouble for doing that even though i was in the wrong first

thats about as close as you can get but again owner did not actually break a rule he was just being a bit of a D.



see how easy that is.

[One Last Shot]

Denver Post columnist on Jokic vs Ishiba.
https://www.denverpost.com/2023/05/07/nikola-jokic-mat-ishbia-game-4-suspension-suns-nuggets-kiszla/


Kiszla: Nikola Jokic and Suns owner tussle. A suspension is in order. Mat Ishbia should be sat in a corner until he learns how to behave at playoff game.

The Suns owner inserted himself into the fray after Jokic blocked a shot and the ball bounced off Phoenix guard Josh Okogie and into the hands of Ishbia, who bounced up from his seat along the baseline.

...

He consulted with Thomas before they exited through a door together, a notorious Bad Boy from the Pistons’ glory years and 43-year-old spoiled brat who thinks he’s enough part of the game to bait Jokic into a technical foul.

If anybody deserves punishment from the NBA in this silly tussle between the Nuggets center and the Suns owner, it’s Ishbia, the petulant child who started it all.

[Note: The writer thinks Ishbia should be suspended, not Jokic]

Its a very bad precedent if Jokic gets suspended. We should get Dolan to harass Jimmy Butler and hope Butler punches him out or something.

Owners are still fans. They are not free to do whatever they want. Players need to be protected too.

Yea I agree Mat Ishbia should be punished. A technical was already sufficient punishment for Jokic.

Imagine if the Nuggets lost by 1 point. Suns owner refuse to give up the ball to Joker knowing it will be 4-on-5 defensively for the Suns and Jokic wanted to take advantage of it. It's just common sense and he's a very smart basketball player. Suns owner should not be allowed to seat courtside after this.

[Raps in 4]

Jokic with 2 of the greatest playoff games ever and they lost both :O

30p, 17r, 17a on 58% FG
50p, 4r, 11abon 60% FG

Man was responsible directly for ~150 points in 2 games.

He needs help, badly.

Murray can explode for a big game every now and then, but he's way too inconsistent to be a true #2 option.

MPJ is even less consistent, and when he's hot, he's not even that good.

[afarmenian]

If the thing I was clinging to was rightfully theirs??
No I would not consider that "contact" in any way
You acting like Jokic stole his wallet

jesus christ now i understand how people get so deluded talking politics and religion. Its almost sick. So you believe it was willed away with magic fairy dust i take it.

What are you even talking about bro?
You think literally any touch of a player and fan is an automatic suspension?
Not an insult or anything but are you autistic per chance? That is an extremely literal interpretation of the rule.
Players high five fans and dive into the stands all the time.

Not to insult but i cant keep talking to a brick wall and i can't tell if you are being obtuse on purpose of if it just comes natural.

I never said any touch should be a suspension thats you putting words in my mouth, i have stated multiple times I don't thing Jokic should be suspended. I have asked for a simple admission yes or no if by definition Jokic made initial contact when he grabbed the ball like that, without any ridiculous qualifier on mortality right or wrong does not matter did he make contact first yes or no? Was he in the fan area yes or no?

you just cannot be this thick headed or stupid in real life man i mean its an act right?...because how can you make it through the day in a society if you cant answer plainly yes, no yes no. I mean you had to be the kid that drove his teacher crazy arguing that 1 plus 1 doesnt equal 2.



here is the Ref explaining exactly what happened and why he got a tech. What is to be refuted here...... so i am wrong, the offical is wrong, the rule is wrong and doesn't exist or the rule should not exists tell me whats up.

Crew chief Tony Brothers, speaking to a pool reporter after the game, said the Nuggets center was issued an unsportsmanlike technical foul because after he grabbed the ball away from "the fan," Jokic "deliberately gave him a shove and pushed him down."

Brothers, in explaining his decision not to eject Jokic, noted that he "didn't just run over and hit a fan."

"There was some engagement, so I deemed the technical foul the appropriate penalty," Brothers said.

Jokic offered his perspective on the situation when speaking to reporters postgame.



He engaged the fan and got tech for it, FACT

he did not get punished for the elbow as that was considered defending himself from the fan touching him back FACT

The 2nd fan rightfully ejected for touching FACT

Mat Ishbia probably should have been ejected for putting a hand on Jokic but probably did not because he was the owner FACT.

black and white circumstances move on from your madness.

[akula1488]

If Nuggets lose out to the Suns, they need to trade any one not named Jokic for Dame...

[dhsilv2]

serious question if someone walks over to you and tries to snatch something from your hands/arms you wouldn't consider that contact and you try to hold onto it you would say you were the one that made initial contact.

How is that even a fair question? If I'm a fan sitting courtside I throw the ball back immediately and don't hold it like he did...can you imagine if every fan did that? This is called entitlement because he's an owner.

Its a pretty simple answer, what you are doing is attempting to qualify it to spin a narrative. Its a yes or no question, not a trick question. It doesnt matter if he was holding Jokics newborn son, Jokic made contact first yes or no. Grabbing something out of someone's hand is initiating contact yes or no?

See you realgm guys are funny you will just cling to something completely illogical when presented with facts. It really is a microcosm of how jacked up the human psyche is. Just admit he touched him first and he was wrong! Thats it! The owner shouldnt have dont what he did but two wrongs dont make a right. Thats fine that the owner was wrong, ban him forever, make him sell the team, i dont give a ****, it doesnt change that Jokic was wrong! It doesnt change what happened. Five him a dollar fine and move on I don't care about the consequences I care about how twisted things can get when its clear to anyone with a working set of eyes what happened and what the rules are.

Its just like when players leave the bench and get suspended and fans try to twist things 100 times sideways to justify why they shouldnt get punished. Well dur errr the other team did a and b and c did to the other and it all leads back to the facts at hand are undisputed.

wtf did I just read?

[Infinite Llamas]

Funny how the dudes defending Joki because it was the Suns’ owner are the same dudes who’ve been saying it was great that Jokic injured Markieff Morris lol. I got the posts to prove it.

The only mistake that Jokic made in the Morris instance was waiting 7 years into his career to deliver the blow. NBA is a better place without cheap shot/no talent hacks like Markieff Morris.

[heatwillbeback]

Going up 2-0 at home people always get too cocky. You havent done crap yet. Take one of the next 2 and then you are in a good position to go 3-1.

Never did nothing other than what they were supposed to do games 1 and 2. Philly answered the same. 3 game series now.

[eyeatoma]

Denver Post columnist on Jokic vs Ishiba.
https://www.denverpost.com/2023/05/07/nikola-jokic-mat-ishbia-game-4-suspension-suns-nuggets-kiszla/


Kiszla: Nikola Jokic and Suns owner tussle. A suspension is in order. Mat Ishbia should be sat in a corner until he learns how to behave at playoff game.

The Suns owner inserted himself into the fray after Jokic blocked a shot and the ball bounced off Phoenix guard Josh Okogie and into the hands of Ishbia, who bounced up from his seat along the baseline.

...

He consulted with Thomas before they exited through a door together, a notorious Bad Boy from the Pistons’ glory years and 43-year-old spoiled brat who thinks he’s enough part of the game to bait Jokic into a technical foul.

If anybody deserves punishment from the NBA in this silly tussle between the Nuggets center and the Suns owner, it’s Ishbia, the petulant child who started it all.

[Note: The writer thinks Ishbia should be suspended, not Jokic]

Its a very bad precedent if Jokic gets suspended. We should get Dolan to harass Jimmy Butler and hope Butler punches him out or something.

Owners are still fans. They are not free to do whatever they want. Players need to be protected too.

Yea I agree Mat Ishbia should be punished. A technical was already sufficient punishment for Jokic.

What did the owner do that was wrong? Hold onto the ball while he was helping up a player? That really requires Joker to go grab it from him and then push him? Tell me who escalates stuff here. Could Isbhia have given up the ball immediately? Sure, but he wasn't thinking about that, he was thinking about the person who just fell down. Jokic could have easily tapped on Matt's shoulder, or politely asked him for the ball, instead he yanks it from him. Not sure about you, but when someone grabs something from me most people would react by trying to take it back. Why? Because you're not a 5 year old, and you don't go grabbing **** from people. Common decency which Jokic clearly lacked there.

[Raps in 4]

If Nuggets lose out to the Suns, they need to trade any one not named Jokic for Dame...

I'd look at guys like Siakam or Brown as well. But yeah, Jokic needs help.

[Mavrelous]

What did the owner do that was wrong? Hold onto the ball while he was helping up a player? That really requires Joker to go grab it from him and then push him? Tell me who escalates stuff here. Could Isbhia have given up the ball immediately? Sure, but he wasn't thinking about that, he was thinking about the person who just fell down. Jokic could have easily tapped on Matt's shoulder, or politely asked him for the ball, instead he yanks it from him. Not sure about you, but when someone grabs something from me most people would react by trying to take it back. Why? Because you're not a 5 year old, and you don't go grabbing **** from people. Common decency which Jokic clearly lacked there.

What a lovely fairy tale world you live in, Ishbia is just a compassionate person trying to help a person.
Jokic wanted to inbound quickly to have 5 on 4 situation, Ishbia withheld the ball to prevent it, there are no good samaritans in this story.

[Wallace_Wallace]

Jokic and Booker are in some zone right now. What a series to watch

[eyeatoma]

What did the owner do that was wrong? Hold onto the ball while he was helping up a player? That really requires Joker to go grab it from him and then push him? Tell me who escalates stuff here. Could Isbhia have given up the ball immediately? Sure, but he wasn't thinking about that, he was thinking about the person who just fell down. Jokic could have easily tapped on Matt's shoulder, or politely asked him for the ball, instead he yanks it from him. Not sure about you, but when someone grabs something from me most people would react by trying to take it back. Why? Because you're not a 5 year old, and you don't go grabbing **** from people. Common decency which Jokic clearly lacked there.

What a lovely fairy tale world you live in, Ishbia is just a compassionate person trying to help a person.
Jokic wanted to inbound quickly to have 5 on 4 situation, Ishbia withheld the ball to prevent it, there are no good samaritans in this story.

So you can read minds now.

[DoctorX]

This series has been fun. Hopefully they don't suspend Jokic. If they do it will mar what has been a very exciting series. Game 5 could be a thriller.

[Infinite Llamas]

I mean, all Jokic has to say is he felt someone touching him and he shooed them away to defend himself. That’s really all the defense he needs.

[SlovenianDragon]

Had to go to reddit to get actual basketball discussion for this game...that's a first...lol

What a great game too...can all the ambulance chasers move their talk to the mat-jokic thread plz

[Mavrelous]

So you can read minds now.

I can, but in this case, I read what's in front of me in the photage.

[One Last Shot]

Denver Post columnist on Jokic vs Ishiba.
https://www.denverpost.com/2023/05/07/nikola-jokic-mat-ishbia-game-4-suspension-suns-nuggets-kiszla/


Kiszla: Nikola Jokic and Suns owner tussle. A suspension is in order. Mat Ishbia should be sat in a corner until he learns how to behave at playoff game.




[Note: The writer thinks Ishbia should be suspended, not Jokic]

Its a very bad precedent if Jokic gets suspended. We should get Dolan to harass Jimmy Butler and hope Butler punches him out or something.

Owners are still fans. They are not free to do whatever they want. Players need to be protected too.

Yea I agree Mat Ishbia should be punished. A technical was already sufficient punishment for Jokic.

What did the owner do that was wrong? Hold onto the ball while he was helping up a player? That really requires Joker to go grab it from him and then push him? Tell me who escalates stuff here. Could Isbhia have given up the ball immediately? Sure, but he wasn't thinking about that, he was thinking about the person who just fell down. Jokic could have easily tapped on Matt's shoulder, or politely asked him for the ball, instead he yanks it from him. Not sure about you, but when someone grabs something from me most people would react by trying to take it back. Why? Because you're not a 5 year old, and you don't go grabbing **** from people. Common decency which Jokic clearly lacked there.

It's a very simple basketball rule that you should know at this point by hanging around in this forum. The owners or any spectators doesn't have the right to delay an official ball game because one of their players lying on the ground. Jokic have the rights to demand the ball and inbound to take advantage on 4-on-5 situation that the Nuggets have offensively. That's just basketball common sense, refs won't wait for Okogie to stand back and get on defense as long as the player who got the possession of the play is ready to inbound the ball. Suns owner doesn't have the right to refuse to give the ball to Jokic because he wanted to help Okogie to get up and defend. Is it clear now?

I attached a video clip with the similar scenario where AD still on the ground with possible injury and the refs didn't wait for him to get up and defend properly before he inbound the ball to Ja, for you to understand that's how the basketball rule works so next time you won't ask what did the owner do that was wrong.

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[Revived]

Booker is 14/17 for 36 points. Guy is a top 10 guy now. Maybe top 5 since hes better than KD

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Ehh I mean defense matters too, they aren't too far apart

Booker probably comes a bit more down to earth, or we are talking about a forsure top 5 guy

Um Booker is one of the best defenders at his position lol.