DeAndre Jordan re-signs with the Clippers, DJ rescinds agreement with the Dallas Mavericks

[mpharris36]

Being honest, Jordan made the right decision. He's staying with a team that could win it all and getting paid more to do so. He wasn't going to win in Dallas and would have been paid less to lose.

your missing the point. It isn't about where he chose to go. It is how and when he chose to go to the clippers.

He basically tied up the Mavericks cap space for a week because everyone thought he was going there. It was a b*tch move.

No one would have said boo if he just signed with the clippers once FA start. The fact that he gave a verbal commitment to Dallas is where people have a issue with. Also the fact he has yet to talk to Cuban about changing his decision just tells you the type of low level scum DeAndre is.

Uh no, you're missing the point.

Do you understand the difference between legally binding and not legally binding? Do you understand a verbal agreement is non-binding?

This was in his every right, even if the decision was made in bad faith. Doesn't make it a bad decision.

Who suggested it was a bad decision for his career? No one. People (rightfully so) are knocking his character because of the way he handled the decision. It was a b*tch azz move...no other way around it.

If the Clippers were the best option for him as you suggest why not just verbally commit to the Clippers...there really is not good answer is there?

[Nebula1]

your missing the point. It isn't about where he chose to go. It is how and when he chose to go to the clippers.

He basically tied up the Mavericks cap space for a week because everyone thought he was going there. It was a b*tch move.

No one would have said boo if he just signed with the clippers once FA start. The fact that he gave a verbal commitment to Dallas is where people have a issue with. Also the fact he has yet to talk to Cuban about changing his decision just tells you the type of low level scum DeAndre is.

Uh no, you're missing the point.

Do you understand the difference between legally binding and not legally binding? Do you understand a verbal agreement is non-binding?

This was in his every right, even if the decision was made in bad faith. Doesn't make it a bad decision.

Who suggested it was a bad decision for his career? No one. People (rightfully so) are knocking his character because of the way he handled the decision. It was a b*tch azz move...no other way around it.

If the Clippers were the best option for him as you suggest why not just verbally commit to the Clippers...there really is not good answer is there?

He handled his decison within the parameters of the rules. Only fools are failing to understand that and are overreacting to it.

He made his decisions for his own reasons, so be it. Get over it.

People have the right to change their mind and in this case, even the legal right.

[Downtown]

There's a few dirty hands, not just Jordan. But honestly, I'll give the guy a pass. To me it's a case of a guy not thinking things through and allowing other voices tell him what's best for him. I would call him dumb more than immoral. Where was his family in all this? You always hear from players that they have to do what they feel is best for them. Did he not consult anyone and give the offer a few days to sit on and make sure it felt right? And his agent might have swayed his judgement as well.

It's obvious to me that it really was a change of heart and it took the Clippers contingent to make him see it. I doubt they put a gun to his head and if Jordan were a real man he would have told them it's his decision and he'll be the one making it. To me it makes him look a little immature and those that are close to him didn't do him any favours. But I can understand that he honestly wanted to stay with the Clippers and had a serious change of heart.

The two things that bother me is that if he had said no to Dallas in the first place they could have had the chance to continue looking to spend the cap space and go after another big name player. Now those players are gone. They did get screwed there no question.

The other thing that bothers me is that Chris Paul is the head of the players union. I think the optics look bad for the president to be involved in this. He should have stayed out of it and let Balmer, Rivers, and Griffin go to Jordan's house.

[enderwilson]

So crazy. I've already commented that this was a bad business move for DAJ. I cannot imagine him getting another payday like this one.

While I understand that it sucks for Dallas fans – completely skreuing their highly touted pick and pop system - it's also a blessing in disguise. I've been arguing the same thing that Fran Blinebury comments in this vid.
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2015/07/08/20150708-blinebury-talks-jordan.nba/

[Nebula1]

So now Cuban's good buddy, Fegan, "manipulated" the situation?

I wonder how fast people will change their tune on Jordan.

[madmaxmedia]

Either way, my point is that if Cousins were to get traded for an expiring and late draft picks from 2 weeks ago, that would be insane. And that is EXACTLY what a 27 year old prime Gasol was traded for

Your point is well taken.

BTW Why do you think Gasol was traded for such a weak package?

Have no idea. Maybe an insider deal via jerry West? There's no way that 28 other teams couldn't put out a better offer

Do you really think Jerry West screws over his current employer to give his former employer a deal, just cuz'?

I understand it seemed like a steal at the time. But considering its Jerry West, maybe he saw something in Marc that others didn't at the time.

[madmaxmedia]

I think if Ballmer was there, the buck stops with him. He's the one who should have told DJ to call Cuban, or called Cuban himself. Or offered to call Cuban himself on DJ's behalf. Or something.

[Dominator83]

Your point is well taken.

BTW Why do you think Gasol was traded for such a weak package?

Have no idea. Maybe an insider deal via jerry West? There's no way that 28 other teams couldn't put out a better offer

Do you really think Jerry West screws over his current employer to give his former employer a deal, just cuz'?

I understand it seemed like a steal at the time. But considering its Jerry West, maybe he saw something in Marc that others didn't at the time.

He was on his way out of the organization. Not saying he would deliberately "screw" the Grizz. But he preferred to do business with LAL over anybody else. Again, you can tell me that there were 28 teams that weren't interested and couldn't do better than that

[choppermagic]

Uh no, you're missing the point.

Do you understand the difference between legally binding and not legally binding? Do you understand a verbal agreement is non-binding?

This was in his every right, even if the decision was made in bad faith. Doesn't make it a bad decision.

Um, no. I dont think you understand the difference between legally binding and not legally binding.

A verbal agreement can be just as binding as a written agreement. It's the peculiar fact that there are rules in place that prevented any official signing until a later date, that establishes the understanding that the verbal commitment cannot be relied upon for damages in this particular case.

[riversupremo]

There's a few dirty hands, not just Jordan. But honestly, I'll give the guy a pass. To me it's a case of a guy not thinking things through and allowing other voices tell him what's best for him. I would call him dumb more than immoral. Where was his family in all this? You always hear from players that they have to do what they feel is best for them. Did he not consult anyone and give the offer a few days to sit on and make sure it felt right? And his agent might have swayed his judgement as well.

It's obvious to me that it really was a change of heart and it took the Clippers contingent to make him see it. I doubt they put a gun to his head and if Jordan were a real man he would have told them it's his decision and he'll be the one making it. To me it makes him look a little immature and those that are close to him didn't do him any favours. But I can understand that he honestly wanted to stay with the Clippers and had a serious change of heart.

The two things that bother me is that if he had said no to Dallas in the first place they could have had the chance to continue looking to spend the cap space and go after another big name player. Now those players are gone. They did get screwed there no question.

The other thing that bothers me is that Chris Paul is the head of the players union. I think the optics look bad for the president to be involved in this. He should have stayed out of it and let Balmer, Rivers, and Griffin go to Jordan's house.

Same sentiment. I mean, it's a jackass move spurred by some premature version of a mid-life crisis, but man, at the end of the day, even though he knew that he'd take a lot of **** (for years and years) in making this decision, he ended going with his gut and realizing that that's 4 years of his life.

[Free Rider]

Uh no, you're missing the point.

Do you understand the difference between legally binding and not legally binding? Do you understand a verbal agreement is non-binding?

This was in his every right, even if the decision was made in bad faith. Doesn't make it a bad decision.

Who suggested it was a bad decision for his career? No one. People (rightfully so) are knocking his character because of the way he handled the decision. It was a b*tch azz move...no other way around it.

If the Clippers were the best option for him as you suggest why not just verbally commit to the Clippers...there really is not good answer is there?

He handled his decison within the parameters of the rules. Only fools are failing to understand that and are overreacting to it.

He made his decisions for his own reasons, so be it. Get over it.

People have the right to change their mind and in this case, even the legal right.

I'm really surprised by how many people think how Jordan handled himself is perfectly appropriate. Having worked in several businesses I can assure that it's absolutely not the norm. Yes, you can technically accept a job offer, string an employer for days if not weeks, and ultimately reneg on the offer if you change your mind without ever actually contacting them to let them know about your change of heart. It perfectly legal and well within your rights to do so and no one might be able to hold you accountable. But it's just bad business altogether. And after a while that kind of reputation can follow you around especially if you work in a small field or community. Jordan has the luxury of being a talented player with a highly sought after skill set so he likely won't suffer any consequences in the long run. But if some of you guys are running around thinking this is the way every day business is handled and they're no costs involved in acting in an unprofessional manner then you're going to be in for a rude awakening.

[Jordan45822]

Steve Ballmer @clippersteveb
Great day in many ways #ClipperNation Appreciate Doc Rivers @JJRedick @CP3 @paulpierce34 @blakegriffin32 and specially @deandrejordan6 !!

Ballmer's 1st tweet since Jan

[NBAfan3024]

Steve Ballmer @clippersteveb
Great day in many ways #ClipperNation Appreciate Doc Rivers @JJRedick @CP3 @paulpierce34 @blakegriffin32 and specially @deandrejordan6 !!

Ballmer's 1st tweet since Jan

ha bet he's celebrating somewhere

[Nebula1]

Uh no, you're missing the point.

Do you understand the difference between legally binding and not legally binding? Do you understand a verbal agreement is non-binding?

This was in his every right, even if the decision was made in bad faith. Doesn't make it a bad decision.

Um, no. I dont think you understand the difference between legally binding and not legally binding.

A verbal agreement can be just as binding as a written agreement. It's the peculiar fact that there are rules in place that prevented any official signing until a later date, that establishes the understanding that the verbal commitment cannot be relied upon for damages in this particular case.

It can be, but not in this case. Therefore he was operating within his rights so people need to get over it.

[Nebula1]

I'm really surprised by how many people think how Jordan handled himself is perfectly appropriate. Having worked in several businesses I can assure that it's absolutely not the norm. Yes, you can technically accept a job offer, string an employer for days if not weeks, and ultimately reneg on the offer if you change your mind without ever actually contacting them to let them know about your change of heart. It perfectly legal and well within your rights to do so and no one might be able to hold you accountable. But it's just bad business altogether. And after a while that kind of reputation can follow you around especially if you work in a small field or community. Jordan has the luxury of being a talented player with a highly sought after skill set so he likely won't suffer any consequences in the long run. But if some of you guys are running around thinking this is the way every day business is handled and they're no costs involved in acting in an unprofessional manner then you're going to be in for a rude awakening.

It was obviously a bad faith move. Everybody agrees there, but more importantly he had every right to change his mind and decision.

Because the rules are as such, I have no problem with him exercising his right, even if made in bad faith.

Further, it was a smart decision on his part.

[madmaxmedia]

He was on his way out of the organization. Not saying he would deliberately "screw" the Grizz. But he preferred to do business with LAL over anybody else. Again, you can tell me that there were 28 teams that weren't interested and couldn't do better than that

Regardless- do you think he would screw over his existing employer? I mean I totally get your point that you'd think many teams would have offered more. But the reasons you offer for West make no sense, for a man that is/was highly respected around the league.

We can say for sure that the trade worked out well for Memphis, and that one of the sharpest GM's in the business pulled the trigger. I think Occam's Razor suggests that he simply made a good trade that most outsiders disagreed with at the time, rather than that he just got lucky in hindsight because he knowingly did a bad deal with the Lakers (for whatever reason.)

I don't totally disagree with you though, my post is for discussion's sake rather than arguing.

[Soupman]

I expect some physical retaliation at the Christmas game between dallas and la.

[madmaxmedia]

EDIT- I got curious about it and did some quick googling around, and found the following FWIW-

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/memphis-owner-now-questions-value-184500409--nba.html

Several sources close to the process insist West played no part, and Heisley swears, “Jerry didn’t know about the trade until after it was done.”

One source with knowledge of the process said the Bulls had made the most credible offer. For Gasol and Memphis’ Hakim Warrick, the Bulls were willing to part with Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Thabo Sefolosha, possibly Adrian Griffin and draft picks.

Heisley didn’t offer up those names, but insisted, “Chicago wouldn’t offer us any of their good, core players,” he said. “Our people told me that we weren’t able to get equal trade value for Gasol and that we needed to do a deal that would give us cap space and draft picks. It was no secret in the league that we were considering offers for him, but the Lakers were the one team that stepped up.”

http://www.commercialappeal.com/sports/grizzlies/gays-ready-to-answer-the-bell

Former Grizzlies president Jerry West told NBA-TV that the Griz would have received more in the 2008 Pau Gasol trade if they shopped him around.

"I don't know why they did that (deal)," West said.

So maybe he liked the deal less than you!

[Prez]

Uh no, you're missing the point.

Do you understand the difference between legally binding and not legally binding? Do you understand a verbal agreement is non-binding?

This was in his every right, even if the decision was made in bad faith. Doesn't make it a bad decision.

Um, no. I dont think you understand the difference between legally binding and not legally binding.

A verbal agreement can be just as binding as a written agreement. It's the peculiar fact that there are rules in place that prevented any official signing until a later date, that establishes the understanding that the verbal commitment cannot be relied upon for damages in this particular case.

It can be, but not in this case. Therefore he was operating within his rights so people need to get over it.

Who is criticizing his decision? People are just rightfully criticizing his character, not his decision. The guy calls Doc behind Cuban's back initiating all this crap, tells Dallas they would still get another meeting after he talks to the Clippers, gets all of the Mavs guys to fly to Houston to his home, then locks himself in his home while rejecting all calls from the Mavs and the other Clippers troll the Mavs on twitter. It was a clown show. He knew he wanted to be a Clipper the second he called Doc and yet he still wasted everyone's time, money, effort because he didn't have the balls to face Cuban and Parsons and tell them he changed his mind.

I don't get this angle of "he did what was right for him"...of course he did. That doesn't make the process of the decision any less obnoxious and disrespectful. He screwed over the Mavs, the end of Dirk's career, and added insult to injury with his immaturity. I respect his decision but there is zero reason to defend what DJ did here imo.

[Dominator83]

He was on his way out of the organization. Not saying he would deliberately "screw" the Grizz. But he preferred to do business with LAL over anybody else. Again, you can tell me that there were 28 teams that weren't interested and couldn't do better than that

Regardless- do you think he would screw over his existing employer? I mean I totally get your point that you'd think many teams would have offered more. But the reasons you offer for West make no sense, for a man that is/was highly respected around the league.

We can say for sure that the trade worked out well for Memphis, and that one of the sharpest GM's in the business pulled the trigger. I think Occam's Razor suggests that he simply made a good trade that most outsiders disagreed with at the time, rather than that he just got lucky in hindsight because he knowingly did a bad deal with the Lakers (for whatever reason.)

I don't totally disagree with you though, my post is for discussion's sake rather than arguing.

Can definitely respect that my friend. I agree to partially disagree!