DeAndre Jordan re-signs with the Clippers, DJ rescinds agreement with the Dallas Mavericks

[bringinhinkie]

I really feel for Mavs fans.. such a POS move.. posted this on the knicks forum, may as well throw it here as well as it would apply to any team:

The issue is:

Clippers - Mavs

2 teams in the west that are always in the mix and competing DIRECTLY with each other (well since cp3)..

imagine being a knicks fan in say '96 and 33yo Oakley was a FA (hypothetically), but was commanding a hefty price.. we then had an agreement with a 26-27yo, prime PJ Brown on a longterm deal that just made more sense financially/longterm,etc.. a day later, Oak gets overpaid/agrees with a bad team (and there was no necessity to at least match the offer-which we would have done if there was no PJ Brown deal)

A few days later, PJ Brown pulls a deandre jordan and goes back to Miami

How would you feel as a knicks fan?

It honestly has me infuriated as a sports fan.. bush league to the max

[daoneandonly]

So now Cuban's good buddy, Fegan, "manipulated" the situation?

I wonder how fast people will change their tune on Jordan.

Not very. He's a liar who broke his word. That means something to some people.

To others it means nothing.

A good businessman understands the risk of the deal and sometimes that risk is realized.

There is no need to allow emotion into it.


It was a rescinded verbal agreement which was allowed within the parameters of the agreement. That's all there is to it.

You're just a Rockets fan who hates Dallas, if this happened to your team, your tune would be the exact opposite

[JohnnyFiveAlive]

Ethics does not equate to legality. No one is saying Jordan did anything illegal and should face punishment. They are judging his behavior through the lens of their personal beliefs. Usually, when a player gives a verbal commitment to a team they follow through and sign the contract. When you back out the way Jordan did, it shows a lack of integrity, especially since he did not inform the Mavericks about his change of heart and refused to take their calls.

One of my cousins left her fiance at the altar on their wedding day and went on a party spree with a bunch of flings. While she did nothing illegal you'd better believe we all thought she was a bitch.

Jordan's decision does not show a lack of integrity. It doesn't matter what people believe he "should or should not have done". All of that stuff is irrelevant. They had a verbal agreement, which Jordan rescinded... THAT'S IT.

The decision was his to make and he chose to stay with the Clippers. Simple as that. He was under no obligation to inform Dallas. He was under no obligation to ultimately sign with Dallas. He was within his rights and it doesn't matter how some people think he should have handled it.

I think he handled it fine. I think he made the smart decision. To me, all that matters is he made the decision within the rules set out by the NBA/CBA.



Truth is, your cousin should be thankful he didn't marry that woman.

Are you on drugs? Go look up what integrity means, and then come back and say that Jordan didn't show a lack of integrity. Lol. Some of the people sticking up for DJ are ridiculous.

[Nate505]

So now Cuban's good buddy, Fegan, "manipulated" the situation?

I wonder how fast people will change their tune on Jordan.

Not very. He's a liar who broke his word. That means something to some people.

To others it means nothing.

A good businessman understands the risk of the deal and sometimes that risk is realized.

There is no need to allow emotion into it.


It was a rescinded verbal agreement which was allowed within the parameters of the agreement. That's all there is to it.

Yes, his lying was allowed.

He also didn't have to make the verbal agreement at all. Then he wouldn't be a liar, he'd just be a guy considering two different options.

[KillMonger]

Not very. He's a liar who broke his word. That means something to some people.

To others it means nothing.

A good businessman understands the risk of the deal and sometimes that risk is realized.

There is no need to allow emotion into it.


It was a rescinded verbal agreement which was allowed within the parameters of the agreement. That's all there is to it.

Yes, his lying was allowed.

He also didn't have to make the verbal agreement at all. Then he wouldn't be a liar, he'd just be a guy considering two different options.

that's what i'm wondering why even make a verbal agreement at all if you could so quickly and easily flip on a day to day basis. Basically makes his word mean nothing at all, me personally i don't care but i know some people that like to take that "word is bond" thing seriously.

[MrCheerios]

Jordan's decision does not show a lack of integrity. It doesn't matter what people believe he "should or should not have done". All of that stuff is irrelevant. They had a verbal agreement, which Jordan rescinded... THAT'S IT.

Rescinding an agreement, even a verbal one, shows that you are not true to your word. That's the whole point of integrity, that you have principles that go beyond legal obligations. If you don't understand that, perhaps you don't have them.

Truth is, your cousin should be thankful he didn't marry that woman.

My cousin is the woman. And while we all agree that her ex-fiance is much better off without her, leaving him at the altar was probably the worst possible ways to dump him. But at least she did nothing illegal, right? Nothing wrong at all.

[ChargerMan]

Well John Salmons went back on his word because 'God' told him to play for Sacramento, is your word really stronger than GOD!?!?

[Johnny Firpo]

Nebula1 is right from a legal standpoint, but only from a legal standpoint. Morally, it was obviously wrong. Again, I just can't believe he hid like a kid who knows he or she did something wrong, hoping it will just go away. This is ridiculous, they wined & dined him, and he looked in their eyes and made a verbal commitment. Sure, it's nothing legally, but morally? Tell me with a straight face that he did everything right. Heck, I understand his decision from a basketball standpoint, but how can you let it go down like that? Be a freaking man and at the very least stand in front of those who you screwed over.

[BKing10]

Can't believe he wasn't man enough to even let the Mavs know. I wonder how they found out

[Guest202]

Bosses and managers...college & pro coaches and owners break their word on the regular. I honestly don't care about this today. Sucks for the Mavs fans, I guess, but I'm never going to feel sorry for a billionaire owner...or Dirk, who's worth $100M+.

[MartinToVaught]

Ethics does not equate to legality. No one is saying Jordan did anything illegal and should face punishment. They are judging his behavior through the lens of their personal beliefs. Usually, when a player gives a verbal commitment to a team they follow through and sign the contract. When you back out the way Jordan did, it shows a lack of integrity, especially since he did not inform the Mavericks about his change of heart and refused to take their calls.

One of my cousins left her fiance at the altar on their wedding day and went on a party spree with a bunch of flings. While she did nothing illegal you'd better believe we all thought she was a bitch.

Jordan's decision does not show a lack of integrity. It doesn't matter what people believe he "should or should not have done". All of that stuff is irrelevant. They had a verbal agreement, which Jordan rescinded... THAT'S IT.

The decision was his to make and he chose to stay with the Clippers. Simple as that. He was under no obligation to inform Dallas. He was under no obligation to ultimately sign with Dallas. He was within his rights and it doesn't matter how some people think he should have handled it.

I think he handled it fine. I think he made the smart decision. To me, all that matters is he made the decision within the rules set out by the NBA/CBA.



Truth is, your cousin should be thankful he didn't marry that woman.

Are you on drugs? Go look up what integrity means, and then come back and say that Jordan didn't show a lack of integrity. Lol. Some of the people sticking up for DJ are ridiculous.

Some people on here seem to be so liberal and so over-the-top "pro-labor" that they'll make any excuse for players' actions at the expense of the teams. Even Larry Sanders had all sorts of excuses made for him when he tried to blatantly steal money from the Bucks.

[mateo82]

Not very. He's a liar who broke his word. That means something to some people.

To others it means nothing.

A good businessman understands the risk of the deal and sometimes that risk is realized.

There is no need to allow emotion into it.


It was a rescinded verbal agreement which was allowed within the parameters of the agreement. That's all there is to it.

Yes, his lying was allowed.

He also didn't have to make the verbal agreement at all. Then he wouldn't be a liar, he'd just be a guy considering two different options.

Some times options don't come until you make a verbal agreement. I've backed out of job acceptances twice and both times it was because my current company made a counter-offer when I told them I was leaving. I could have went to them before making the verbal agreement and made demands but that would have put me in a tough spot of the other company backed out (which can happen too).

[miltk]

this actually validates the moratorium.

No, it undermines it. The entire system is built on trust. Obviously this alone isn't enough to break the system, but if you had a couple Deandre's every year, the erosion in trust would be enough to make free agency untenable.

trust is taking the word of the other party. moratorium is for last minute changes. two different things.

or at least give me a reason for a moratorium, that would otherwise be unnecessary if deals were done on the spot, and there are plenty of those. if there were two or three dj incidents every year, then teams would take steps to get the deal signed and sealed - no big deal. you're making it seem like stuff like this can't be avoided.

[Nate505]

A good businessman understands the risk of the deal and sometimes that risk is realized.

There is no need to allow emotion into it.


It was a rescinded verbal agreement which was allowed within the parameters of the agreement. That's all there is to it.

Yes, his lying was allowed.

He also didn't have to make the verbal agreement at all. Then he wouldn't be a liar, he'd just be a guy considering two different options.

Some times options don't come until you make a verbal agreement. I've backed out of job acceptances twice and both times it was because my current company made a counter-offer when I told them I was leaving. I could have went to them before making the verbal agreement and made demands but that would have put me in a tough spot of the other company backed out (which can happen too).

If you didn't tell the other company your acceptance was contingent on your company not giving the same/better offer, than I would say it's unethical to the company that hired you.

[leolozon]

Jordan's decision does not show a lack of integrity. It doesn't matter what people believe he "should or should not have done". All of that stuff is irrelevant. They had a verbal agreement, which Jordan rescinded... THAT'S IT.

The decision was his to make and he chose to stay with the Clippers. Simple as that. He was under no obligation to inform Dallas. He was under no obligation to ultimately sign with Dallas. He was within his rights and it doesn't matter how some people think he should have handled it.

I think he handled it fine. I think he made the smart decision. To me, all that matters is he made the decision within the rules set out by the NBA/CBA.



Truth is, your cousin should be thankful he didn't marry that woman.

Are you on drugs? Go look up what integrity means, and then come back and say that Jordan didn't show a lack of integrity. Lol. Some of the people sticking up for DJ are ridiculous.

Some people on here seem to be so liberal and so over-the-top "pro-labor" that they'll make any excuse for players' actions at the expense of the teams. Even Larry Sanders had all sorts of excuses made for him when he tried to blatantly steal money from the Bucks.

What does being "liberal" has to do with acknowledging that DJ showed no integrity? You don't need to go all political for no reason.

[JeepCSC]

trust is taking the word of the other party. moratorium is for last minute changes. two different things

or at least give me a reason for a moratorium, that would otherwise be unnecessary if deals were done on the spot, and there are plenty of those. if there were two or three dj incidents every year, then teams would take steps to get the deal signed and sealed - no big deal. you're making it seem like stuff like this can't be avoided.

I honestly have no idea what you are saying here. The first part seems bizarre (moratoriums are for last minute changes?) and the last part just doesn't make sense (teams would make sure a deal is signed and sealed during a moratorium?).

[mtron929]

''Within his rights''. Yes, he worked within his rights. But some countries allow or have allowed people to do things legally that you would consider unethical. And possibly downright horrifying.

Just because it is within the law or set of rules, does not make it ethical. And vice versa.

Don't care for this reasoning.

I don't know if what Jordan did was unethical or not, but your reasoning seems off to me.

In this case, DeAndre Jordan changed his mind about playing basketball for the Mavericks in favor of staying with his current team. To me, ETHICS don't even play into it. It's a business decision with legal parameters. He was within his legal rights so I see no problem with what he did. I certainly don't see it as unethical.

If people have a problem with it, then change the parameters but at no time did Jordan do anything wrong or break any rules.


Dallas and Cuban knew perfectly well this was a possible consequence and certainly use all the freedoms allowed within the rules to maximize their own business. Deal with it.

Legality and ethics do not exactly go hand in hand. A legal action can be considered unethical and an illegal action can be considered ethical. It seems like you cannot wrap you head around this concept.

[Mr B]

DJ is a piece of ****. Dude is a straight up coward. He had every right to change his mind but to hide behind his friends because he was scared to tell Cuban he had changed his mind.

Reminds of that scared little bitch in every neighborhood that asks his mom to protect him because some kid outside is being mean to him.

[mtron929]

Overall, all of this would be forgotten soon. When the Mavs play the Clippers the 3rd or the 4th time around, it won't even seem like a spectacle. It would be interesting to see what happens to the Clippers as they are legitimately a top 5 team right now.

[AIfan3]

So now Cuban's good buddy, Fegan, "manipulated" the situation?

I wonder how fast people will change their tune on Jordan.

Not very. He's a liar who broke his word. That means something to some people.

To others it means nothing.

A good businessman understands the risk of the deal and sometimes that risk is realized.

There is no need to allow emotion into it.


It was a rescinded verbal agreement which was allowed within the parameters of the agreement. That's all there is to it.

Dude are you that dense ? Nearly everybody agrees that he made the right decision going to the Clippers.. We get it, people change their minds. What we are railing on Jordan about is his inability to do the manly thing and at least notify the team that he verbally committed too.. Does he HAVE to do it ? Of course not, I don't HAVE to say excuse me as I bum rush my way onto a crowded train, but I say out of respect for other people.. The same applies as if i just landed a new job. I don't just up and leave my prior employer hanging the next day, you give them notice that you are leaving so that they can make adequate preparations to find someone else..The same applies on getting a new job, if one employer contacts you, and you verbally agree to work for them, they're going to go under the assumption that you'll show up on the day you're suppose to start training, the employer shouldn't have to come find you even if you accepted another position somewhere else, it's completely disrespectful and unethical and a sure fire way to never land any job at that employers office.