NBA MVP Discussion 20/21 (Fresh poll ➥ Vote)

KGtabake · Post #2321 » by **KGtabake** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:29 pm

Jokic had been accused of being out of shape every season. But the man always played greatly and most importantly he has always been available. He doesn't miss games.
Food for thought for those who think that you can be great only if you have the body of David Robinson.

Giannis is a model professional and has a case for being the most improved player in the modern history. Remember how he came into the game and look at his progress every season. It's jawdropping. He doesn't miss games either and he's always playing 100%.

Harden changed team after the season started but he's been playing 100% since day1. He didn't need time to adjust and settle. He even changed role and position without anyone questioning if he could do it. He doesn't miss games either.

Steph, Dame and Luka just need a better team record and they are right up there.

KD, Embiid and LeBron were just unlucky. Otherwise they would have been heavy favourites.

I don't know why some of you are not pleased with this race. It is exciting, after every game, we can come in here and change opinion.
It's the best MVP race i can remember, it's completely unpredictable.

Krodis · Post #2322 » by **Krodis** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:32 pm

The Rockets have lost 19 games in a row. Honestly I think Harden forcing his way out of that situation is pretty justifiable.

Pattycakes · Post #2323 » by **Pattycakes** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:32 pm

Damian or Jok deserve it at this rate, if we’re gonna be true to the essence of the award. Joel is right there as well. I’d be lying if I didn’t give Steph his due as well for carrying that pathetic excuse of support anywhere right now, but the Warriors aren’t threatening anyone playoff time for a whole series, so that’s more a pity play than giving it to a contending team leader.

I’ll roughly shoot a current top 5 for the sake of org (all deserve it):

Dame, Jok, Joel, Steph, Hard-on (pains me to give him his for anything but I will cause I’m not blind)

All comes down to the final 25 games to me, period. I’m a Blazer fan so I’d naturally love to see Portland crush things and Dame finally get his top moment to shine, but he has a lot more vet help & talent (even though they’ve been pretty underwhelming at moments to me - I don’t really care for Stotts w this roster, no defense even attempted)

I do really want to leave out Harden and Giannis myself because they’ve already gotten their fair due, James has lost a lot of respect with many while gaining some w others and I haven’t been blown away with anything the Bucks are doing. Brons gonna miss too much time. Steph won’t win enough games, but by default he should for that carry job, even though others on this list have carried terrible rosters to playoffs before too with .500 teams and didn’t get anything. Love Luka, but this Mavs team looks to be like they’re gonna disappoint expectations pretty considerably and they need to get something in KP’s place immediately.

I’m going Jokic, Steph or Dame truly depending on the final stretch. /mypiece

greekbuck34 · Post #2324 » by **greekbuck34** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:23 pm

Jokic will take it with a top 2 seed and a consistent performance throughout the year like he is doing so far. For me staying consistently great is much harder that a top 2 seed in the current western conference because both of the top spots are available without a superteam in the way. Jokic had bad months with single digit scoring games etc all his career. This is the first time he started a season this great. If he continues like that he will win.

Castle Black · Post #2325 » by **Castle Black** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:29 pm

Krodis wrote:The Rockets have lost 19 games in a row. Honestly I think Harden forcing his way out of that situation is pretty justifiable.

They’re also purposely tanking now in order to preserve that top-3 pick, which is the right thing to do. But yea.

The4thHorseman · Post #2326 » by **The4thHorseman** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:34 pm

Read on Twitter

rzzzzz · Post #2327 » by **rzzzzz** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:52 pm

So when I was a kid they used to hand out patches for perfect attendance. Not a trophy. Jokic and the Freak are both incredible, I won’t be sore if either one of them win MVP. But I know who the most dominant player has been so far this year.

FinnTheHuman · Post #2328 » by **FinnTheHuman** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:54 pm

The4thHorseman wrote:

Read on Twitter

I just hate the fact that betting is a part of all this. So much money to go left or right based on not that many journalists' votes. Erodes the credibility of the award imo.

Ballerhogger · Post #2329 » by **Ballerhogger** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:12 pm

FinnTheHuman wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:

Read on Twitter

I just hate the fact that betting is a part of all this. So much money to go left or right based on not that many journalists' votes. Erodes the credibility of the award imo.

true been like that since the award has started

Ballerhogger · Post #2330 » by **Ballerhogger** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:14 pm

Castle Black wrote:
Krodis wrote:The Rockets have lost 19 games in a row. Honestly I think Harden forcing his way out of that situation is pretty justifiable.

They’re also purposely tanking now in order to preserve that top-3 pick, which is the right thing to do. But yea.

You should never straight up tank your body and go to Strip clubs during covid to get traded. Sorry that’s ridiculous

Krodis · Post #2331 » by **Krodis** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:23 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:
Castle Black wrote:
Krodis wrote:The Rockets have lost 19 games in a row. Honestly I think Harden forcing his way out of that situation is pretty justifiable.

They’re also purposely tanking now in order to preserve that top-3 pick, which is the right thing to do. But yea.

You should never straight up tank your body and go to Strip clubs during covid to get traded. Sorry that’s ridiculous

Not going to defend the flaunting of COVID restrictions, though sadly I think it’s probably more the norm than the exception.

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xdrta+ · Post #2332 » by **xdrta+** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:43 pm

Krodis wrote:The Rockets have lost 19 games in a row. Honestly I think Harden forcing his way out of that situation is pretty justifiable.

I think playing out the contract he signed would have been "pretty justifiable."

Kurtz · Post #2333 » by **Kurtz** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:00 pm

Jokic vs Giannis head to head this year (2 games, 1-1)

Jokic: 36/11/9, 57% fg
Giannis: 29/9/2, 55% fg

sip · Post #2334 » by **sip** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:02 pm

KGtabake wrote:Jokic had been accused of being out of shape every season. But the man always played greatly and most importantly he has always been available. He doesn't miss games.
Food for thought for those who think that you can be great only if you have the body of David Robinson.

Giannis is a model professional and has a case for being the most improved player in the modern history. Remember how he came into the game and look at his progress every season. It's jawdropping. He doesn't miss games either and he's always playing 100%.

Harden changed team after the season started but he's been playing 100% since day1. He didn't need time to adjust and settle. He even changed role and position without anyone questioning if he could do it. He doesn't miss games either.

Steph, Dame and Luka just need a better team record and they are right up there.

KD, Embiid and LeBron were just unlucky. Otherwise they would have been heavy favourites.

I don't know why some of you are not pleased with this race. It is exciting, after every game, we can come in here and change opinion.
It's the best MVP race i can remember, it's completely unpredictable.

It really is the most competitive mvp race that I can remember. The crazy part is you mentioned that arguably the 3 favorites if healthy would have been Durant, Embiid and Lebron but even without them we have another 5 guys that are having legit mvp caliber seasons. It is crazy. I don't even have Steph Curry in the discussion and he is averaging 29pts, 6asts and 5rbs. The guy once won an mvp averaging 23.8pts, 7.7asts and 4.3rbs.

KGtabake · Post #2335 » by **KGtabake** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:08 pm

Here we are talking about on court performance in the regular season. That's what this award is all about. Harden has been amazing with the Nets. He's the reason why Kyrie has been great, he's the reason we don't mention KD's absence. What happened with the Rockets is irrelevant with this award.
You can criticize him for his behaviour and the way he left if you like, as long as you seperate this from the MVP race.

leolozon · Post #2336 » by **leolozon** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 6:57 pm

I'm not a gambler, but the closest I ever got to bet on something was when Jokic was at 25:1 preseason. I wanted to put 20$ on it, on regret it now.

It was such great odds as I thought he would come back in shape this year. I did thought the Nuggets would have a better records than that though.

Dupp · Post #2337 » by **Dupp** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:04 pm

leolozon wrote:I'm not a gambler, but the closest I ever got to bet on something was when Jokic was at 25:1 preseason. I wanted to put 20$ on it, on regret it now. It was such great odds as I thought he would come back in shape this year. I did thought the Nuggets would have a better records than that though.

His odds blew out further to 34-1 after three games too. I took both those bets. Not for much though but still a decent return.

jokeboy86 · Post #2338 » by **jokeboy86** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:10 pm

KGtabake wrote:Here we are talking about on court performance in the regular season. That's what this award is all about. Harden has been amazing with the Nets. He's the reason why Kyrie has been great, he's the reason we don't mention KD's absence. What happened with the Rockets is irrelevant with this award.
You can criticize him for his behaviour and the way he left if you like, as long as you seperate this from the MVP race.

I actually think people are wrong if they think Harden's going to get penalized for the Houston thing but he's more than likely going to get penalized by the media cause he's playing with Kyrie and Durant even though those two have missed a lot of games and I don't even know if all 3 have been on the court more than 5 games. It's rare that they give the MVP in this era to teams with 3 stars and they only relented giving it to Lebron when they started thinking Wade was on the decline. I actually think Jokic and Lillard are going to move up if their teams keep winning but based off previous media precedent they gotta at least get to the 3 seed to realistically have a shot. If they don't and Embiid and Lebron's teams fall and they don't get back soon enough then I think the media will have to grit their teeth and seriously consider Giannis(though it pains them). The Bucks could finish this week on a 10 game winning streak with Giannis averaging 29/11.7/6.4. They're only 3 games back from the best record in the league. As rare as it is to get a 3-peat MVP award winner it's even rarer for a team to have the best record 3 years in a row and the best player not finish 1 or 2 in MVP votes('17 GSW notwithstanding). Celtics had the best record 84-86 hence the reason Bird won.

Sharkboy242 · Post #2339 » by **Sharkboy242** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:10 pm

leolozon wrote:I'm not a gambler, but the closest I ever got to bet on something was when Jokic was at 25:1 preseason. I wanted to put 20$ on it, on regret it now. It was such great odds as I thought he would come back in shape this year. I did thought the Nuggets would have a better records than that though.

Yeah I'm in the same boat. I also considered betting on us vs the clippers last season. Much regret.

Dupp · Post #2340 » by **Dupp** » Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:13 pm

Embiid probably should be out of this but he might not be. They’re not really falling in the standings and if he comes back and keeps dominating And they get a top two record in the league the voters might just say well it didn’t really cost the team him being out.

But there’s a limit too how much time and I don’t know how long he’s supposedly out for? Also you can flip that and say well they win without him.

Who is the MVP so far?