DeAndre Jordan re-signs with the Clippers, DJ rescinds agreement with the Dallas Mavericks

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up, maybe it has though I haven't read all 120 pages... I posit this theory: DJ May have been willing to call Cuban back, however he had almost the full Clippers team surrounding him, and they were the ones telling him not to take Cuban's call. Cuban is a known shrewd negotiator, and pitch man, and it's my belief that the clips felt that DJ was still on the fence. If anyone is cowardly in this, it could well be doc, and the club staff.

[Justin33]

Trump would have closed the deal

[rockersdash]

Dallas doesn't know when to quit. With Deron bought out, they likely will sign him and become and an okay team with no shot at the playoffs or a pick.

[Revived]

Mavs should just sign Austin Rivers and promise him a starting job and then make him rot on the bench and carry their luggage and just make his life a living hell.

[FNQ]

Any lawyers out there? As I read it, under the definition of promissory estoppel, Cuban could theoretically force DeAndre to honour his commitment. (Of course he would never do that; what a disaster that would be.) Please correct if I am wrong.

I mentioned that really early on before TMZ jumped on it, but I'd imagine there's something in the CBA that prevents that from happening. Plus that could really tear apart the entire free agency process, so Cuban would be fighting with a lot of NBA owners if that were the case.

The end result: Mavs get screwed, Jordan gets a bad reputation for a while, then in a few months business as usual. But a lot of fans will remember DJ as a scummy person for how he did everything, and rightly so.

[FNQ]

Mavs should just sign Austin Rivers and promise him a starting job and then make him rot on the bench and carry their luggage and just make his life a living hell.

Not Doc Rivers' fault at all. Only DJ.

And really the thread would be long over were people not somehow justifying what DJ did as ethical. It wasn't. And the Clippers know it, thus no press conference and thus no public comment from DJ. They are waiting for the unethical part to blow over before they go public, because its basic PR.

[CDansby]

This is legal contracts, not ethics.


Sorry Cuban, it's just business.

You have it backwards. People are discussing the ethics of it, not the legal contracts aspect. It was a shady move. Especially since it was public too, causing more embarrassment.

There is a difference in telling the Mavs that he's thinking about their offer, and saying he is going to sign with them and then backing out. His word is tarnished.

No, I have it straightforward.

Jordan made a verbal agreement with the Dallas Mavericks and within the terms of that verbal agreement is the right to rescind, which he exercised.

There is no ethical aspect to it. It was a business decision no different than any other contract decisions made by the entities. Again, is it a shady move for an organization to sign a player then trade him without his consideration?


If you have a problem with the way the parameters are structured, then that's your issue. Having issue with Jordan exercising his absolute right is absurd.


Most of you are just drinking media drama kool-aid.

You're taking a very extreme stance on this. As a Mavs fan I'm not bitter at all that he backed out, it was within his right, but how is something like a handshake and verbal agreement a "business decision" if you never follow through with the agreement.

GMs will think twice about agreeing to anything with Deandre from this point forward because he showed his true character and showed that he doesn't think his word means anything. Ethics by definition is morals that drive ones behavior, everyone here is questioning the morals of a man who can back out of his word that he was going to dedicate himself to a franchise. Regardless of a signed contract, you cannot argue that morals are not involved with carrying out that verbal agreement. I don't understand what you aren't getting about that.

[CarMalone]

Any lawyers out there? As I read it, under the definition of promissory estoppel, Cuban could theoretically force DeAndre to honour his commitment. (Of course he would never do that; what a disaster that would be.) Please correct if I am wrong.

Promissory estoppel can't enforce a service contract. What it can do is allow Cuban to recover financial damages. For someone like Cuban, money is probably not what he's concerned about.

PS My memory of first year basic contract law is fuzzy so someone should correct me if any of this is wrong.

[sfernald]

There is no ethical aspect. It's simply a transaction just like all the other deals made in the NBA.

Of course there is an ethical aspect. If someone makes a deal with you and shakes your hand on it, and then you start to make arrangements based on that handshake deal, then they back out of it before the paperwork is officially signed, it's just not good. I think everyone here wants people to trust them at their word and as a stand up guy, but those of you who are brushing it off as simply "business" are probably not the kind of people others should be trusting on your word.

DJ said he was going to sign with the Mavs. His word was broken. That's an ethical/trust issue, but not a contract issue in this case based on the signing moratorium.

The funny thing is that corporations love doing this in a one-sided way. When it comes to the player/hire, they expect all this loyalty and ethical behavior, but when it comes time for them to lay them off or do something else bad it's always just "business". That's why I don't think there's ever such a thing as a handshake deal between a corporation/company and a person. And the Mavs are a company. Companies just don't behave the same as human beings and they don't have the same interests.

So though I might frown on what DJ did if he did that to an actual person, what he did to the Mavs was actually just fine, just business. The only difference is that this particular cold, inhuman and basically immortal business has human fans which is kinda odd when you think about it.

[Yoshun]

Any lawyers out there? As I read it, under the definition of promissory estoppel, Cuban could theoretically force DeAndre to honour his commitment. (Of course he would never do that; what a disaster that would be.) Please correct if I am wrong.

I mentioned that really early on before TMZ jumped on it, but I'd imagine there's something in the CBA that prevents that from happening. Plus that could really tear apart the entire free agency process, so Cuban would be fighting with a lot of NBA owners if that were the case.

The end result: Mavs get screwed, Jordan gets a bad reputation for a while, then in a few months business as usual. But a lot of fans will remember DJ as a scummy person for how he did everything, and rightly so.

I can understand people disagreeing with the way DJ went about this, but this one act doesn't make him a "scummy person." I don't know DJ personally, but this is my biggest issue with the thread. A lot of people here have called him all kinds of stuff. One action doesn't make a guy a bad person.

[FNQ]

Any lawyers out there? As I read it, under the definition of promissory estoppel, Cuban could theoretically force DeAndre to honour his commitment. (Of course he would never do that; what a disaster that would be.) Please correct if I am wrong.

I mentioned that really early on before TMZ jumped on it, but I'd imagine there's something in the CBA that prevents that from happening. Plus that could really tear apart the entire free agency process, so Cuban would be fighting with a lot of NBA owners if that were the case.

The end result: Mavs get screwed, Jordan gets a bad reputation for a while, then in a few months business as usual. But a lot of fans will remember DJ as a scummy person for how he did everything, and rightly so.

I can understand people disagreeing with the way DJ went about this, but this one act doesn't make him a "scummy person." I don't know DJ personally, but this is my biggest issue with the thread. A lot of people here have called him all kinds of stuff. One action doesn't make a guy a bad person.

A guy walks into a bar. He grouses to the bartender, "I spent many years giving my time and money to charity. Do they call me Johnny the Generous? No."


"I spent many years building bridges all over the land. Do they call me Johnny the bridge-builder? No."

"I spent countless years educating children and adults alike. Do they call me Johnny the Educator? No."

"But you ONE goat.. "


Moral of the story: people will always remember the worst. DeAndre himself may not be scummy, but this particular act was. He'd better hope he re-defines himself as something else, because in the social media age, things can live a long time

[NBA Fan 1234]

Any lawyers out there? As I read it, under the definition of promissory estoppel, Cuban could theoretically force DeAndre to honour his commitment. (Of course he would never do that; what a disaster that would be.) Please correct if I am wrong.

Promissory estoppel can't enforce a service contract. What it can do is allow Cuban to recover financial damages. For someone like Cuban, money is probably not what he's concerned about.

PS My memory of first year basic contract law is fuzzy so someone should correct me if any of this is wrong.

P.E. is a last ditch effort and the court can't enforce the detrimental reliance. Spot on with the damages part, but it'd be hard to compute + like you said, he's not interested in damages. The tortious interference thing was another route that could be taken...IF he chooses to go down a legal route.

Just finished first year - loved contracts but **** civ pro, and to a lesser extent, property (although, I blame my teacher for hating that class...talk about going off on crazy random tangents).

[JellosJigglin]

Well if Jordan doesn't want to take Stalker Cuban's call, then that's fine also. If Jordan rescinds, then Stalker Cuban can shut up and say thank you.

I don't think anyone has said he's breaking any rules. This is really an ethical debate. In your world shaking hands and reaching an agreement doesn't mean anything. That's your right. Personally I wasn't raised that way. Good luck to you.

There is no ethical aspect. It's simply a transaction just like all the other deals made in the NBA.

You don't get to decide where the boundaries of ethics can be applied. Society does that for you. You don't have to live by the code but sooner or later you'll pay the consequences if you don't. As far as I'm concerned this is payback for Cuban's interference in the Chris Paul trade. I have no dog in this fight, but breaking an agreement is unethical any way you slice it. Legality has nothing to do with it. I don't think you understand the difference.

[SaintofKillers]

As mentioned several times: DeAndre changing his mind and leaving Cuban and the Mavs is not really the issue — that's a move that's no different from a "business decision". It's HOW he did it that bothers most people.

Most, if not all, employers will tell their employees straight that they will be cutting ties and/or smoothen the divorce through severance packages and even giving you a great referral. When teams trade their players, they almost always inform said player that they're on the block and they give a very classy press release thanking them for their services and contributions regardless if they deserve it or not (see Rondo).

Jordan however, didn't even bother to extend Dallas, or his friend, that same courtesy.

Worse: his apology wasn't even an apology. Not just because it's on Twitter and not just because he has yet to call Cuban and co. — but rather because he doesn't appear to acknowledge what he did wrong. Having a "change of heart" wasn't and is NEVER wrong; everyone does that. It's what you did after you changed your mind that's the bone of contention.

"I was very disappointed at how I handled everything and as an adult and a professional, I hold myself accountable. You deserved better and for that, I am truly sorry." or something like that. I guarantee you if he makes a statement like that, most of the hate would blow over.

[MrCheerios]

As mentioned several times: DeAndre changing his mind and leaving Cuban and the Mavs is not really the issue — that's a move that's no different from a "business decision". It's HOW he did it that bothers most people.

Most, if not all, employers will tell their employees straight that they will be cutting ties and/or smoothen the divorce through severance packages and even giving you a great referral. When teams trade their players, they almost always inform said player that they're on the block and they give a very classy press release thanking them for their services and contributions regardless if they deserve it or not (see Rondo).

Jordan however, didn't even bother to extend Dallas, or his friend, that same courtesy.

Worse: his apology wasn't even an apology. Not just because it's on Twitter and not just because he has yet to call Cuban and co. — but rather because he doesn't appear to acknowledge what he did wrong. Having a "change of heart" wasn't and is NEVER wrong; everyone does that. It's what you did after you changed your mind that's the bone of contention.

"I was very disappointed at how I handled everything and as an adult and a professional, I hold myself accountable. You deserved better and for that, I am truly sorry." or something like that. I guarantee you if he makes a statement like that, most of the hate would blow over.

Bingo. This would be expected even over something as simple as making dinner plans with a friend. Of course you can cancel if you want, but letting your friend know by not showing up is not cool. And cancelling a business dinner in that fashion is completely unprofessional.

[CarMalone]

Any lawyers out there? As I read it, under the definition of promissory estoppel, Cuban could theoretically force DeAndre to honour his commitment. (Of course he would never do that; what a disaster that would be.) Please correct if I am wrong.

Promissory estoppel can't enforce a service contract. What it can do is allow Cuban to recover financial damages. For someone like Cuban, money is probably not what he's concerned about.

PS My memory of first year basic contract law is fuzzy so someone should correct me if any of this is wrong.

P.E. is a last ditch effort and the court can't enforce the detrimental reliance. Spot on with the damages part, but it'd be hard to compute + like you said, he's not interested in damages. The tortious interference thing was another route that could be taken...IF he chooses to go down a legal route.

Just finished first year - loved contracts but **** civ pro, and to a lesser extent, property (although, I blame my teacher for hating that class...talk about going off on crazy random tangents).

Don't worry, you'll be dreaming of civ pro by July 2017. In the meantime, congrats on completing your first year.

[Ginger Bean]

DJ's mom...