Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation

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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#241 » by dockingsched » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:40 pm

boogie-reke wrote:Can anyone please explain to me how is this a GOOD deal for the Clippers?

And it's not at all about Baron, it's about the unprotected lottery pick - why on earth would you give up on that?

Unless this is 1 step in the way of getting Dwight/CP3/Deron, I can't even begin to understand this.


i'll try my best.

1. Despite baron's recent re-dedication to getting in shape, there's no denying this guy has come to training camp overweight and out of shape every single season. he's great for team chemistry, but he's a terrible veteran example.

2. The clips save around 12mil dollars on this deal, while keeping a veteran pg who is still a capable starter.

3. Clips need to start building around Blake Griffin, and they have enough youth around him, now they have to find some veterans. To get veterans you need money, and this puts them in a prime spot for the 2012 free agent class. (yeah, i know, no one wants to go to the clips, but they have to at least try).

4. The pick, despite people saying it could be a top 3 pick, has very little chance of actually being so. the overwhelming odds are that it'll be an 8-10 pick, which is good but most likely not franchise changing good. You get your occasional all-star player there, but it'll probably be a role player and will just as likely be a bust than an all-star. Clips have had their fair share of Korolev's.

5. Looking to the future, DeAndre Jordan is up for a contract this summer, but more importantly Eric Gordon is up for a contract too (although he has one more yr left). I'd much rather risk the quality of an 8-10 draft pick than risk not being able to afford both those guys. Gordon is a cornerstone, now the clips have all the resources to make sure he stays.
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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#242 » by Rafael122 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:41 pm

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boogie-reke wrote:Can anyone please explain to me how is this a GOOD deal for the Clippers?

And it's not at all about Baron, it's about the unprotected lottery pick - why on earth would you give up on that?

Unless this is 1 step in the way of getting Dwight/CP3/Deron, I can't even begin to understand this.


the unprotected part is bad but in a weak draft and chances of them landing another #1 are quite low, I think Sterling couldnt pass up on the 6mill in savings per yr for the next 2 yrs.


Yea but I mean atleast protect the top 3, I don't think the Cavs would say "no" to that... giving away unprotected lotto picks is just beyond me.

Sterlings just showing Blake he needs to GTFO out Cippers nation the minute he can.


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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#243 » by Triumph36 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:44 pm

Harry_Seaward wrote:I would say this is a win-win-lose


Cavs win
Clips win
Baron loses
Pretty much, assuming the Clippers don't blow it and spend the money too soon (ie: before the 2012 off-season).

Mo wins too.
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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#244 » by eatyourchildren » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:44 pm

Thanks for that dcash4.

Furthermore, Baron is a locker room cancer. And they need to hand the keys over to Bledsoe (or get a better PG in the 2012 FA class).

Baron Davis should not be running the Clippers show. That boat has sailed. With a broken rudder and a shred in the hull.

The team is now Gordon/Griffin's 100%, + whatever big moves they can make for the future.
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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#245 » by Harry_Seaward » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:49 pm

Clippers have talent in Griffin and Gordon where it's time to start pursuing free agents to put around them, and not waste time get players out of the draft (aside from late round potential role guys), and waiting to see if they pan out, and etc.


They've set themselves up as a nice potential free agent destination. Even with Sterling at the helm with Griffin and it being LA players would think about going there.
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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#246 » by YFZblu » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:49 pm

So Sterling heckled Baron Davis during games and then traded him to one of the worst basketball teams of all time.

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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#247 » by Pharmcat » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:49 pm

bad trade for clippers

saving money again? sure blake is happy to hear that
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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#248 » by Harry_Seaward » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:50 pm

Pharmcat wrote:bad trade for clippers

saving money again? sure blake is happy to hear that



Less saving money, and more clearing space to pursue free agents.
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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#249 » by lakerfan10770 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:52 pm

LApwnd wrote:MoWill makes 6mill less then Baron, that is all you need to know why this trade was made oh that and the fact Davis shows up FAT out of shape after the summer.


Excluding this year, Davis has $9,150,000 more in guaranteed money. So essentially the Cavs paid $9M for a lottery pick. In fact the Clippers have the 8th worst record in the league right now and I really don't see that changing a whole lot. The Cavs also now have 2 chances to get a top 3 pick. So I think this is well worth it for them.

I think the deal is OK for both sides, in that they both got what they wanted. But honestly the Clippers could have done better with that unprotected draft pick. The truth is that the Clippers/Sterling are more motivated by profit than winning. I do think they want to put out a competitive team, but not at the cost of a solid bottom line.
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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#250 » by YFZblu » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:53 pm

Pharmcat wrote:bad trade for clippers

saving money again? sure blake is happy to hear that


Do people really see this as a "bad" trade? Baron Davis shows up fat every year, will shoot 38% for 1/2 a season, get injured for the second half of the season, and Clippers/Warriors fans won't bat an eye--That's standard operating procedure for him.

I don't uderstand how losing that type of dead weight is a bad thing.
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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#251 » by boogie-reke » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:54 pm

dcash4 wrote:
boogie-reke wrote:Can anyone please explain to me how is this a GOOD deal for the Clippers?

And it's not at all about Baron, it's about the unprotected lottery pick - why on earth would you give up on that?

Unless this is 1 step in the way of getting Dwight/CP3/Deron, I can't even begin to understand this.


i'll try my best.

1. Despite baron's recent re-dedication to getting in shape, there's no denying this guy has come to training camp overweight and out of shape every single season. he's great for team chemistry, but he's a terrible veteran example.

2. The clips save around 12mil dollars on this deal, while keeping a veteran pg who is still a capable starter.

3. Clips need to start building around Blake Griffin, and they have enough youth around him, now they have to find some veterans. To get veterans you need money, and this puts them in a prime spot for the 2012 free agent class. (yeah, i know, no one wants to go to the clips, but they have to at least try).

4. The pick, despite people saying it could be a top 3 pick, has very little chance of actually being so. the overwhelming odds are that it'll be an 8-10 pick, which is good but most likely not franchise changing good. You get your occasional all-star player there, but it'll probably be a role player and will just as likely be a bust than an all-star. Clips have had their fair share of Korolev's.

5. Looking to the future, DeAndre Jordan is up for a contract this summer, but more importantly Eric Gordon is up for a contract too (although he has one more yr left). I'd much rather risk the quality of an 8-10 draft pick than risk not being able to afford both those guys. Gordon is a cornerstone, now the clips have all the resources to make sure he stays.



cheers for the insights.
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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#252 » by TheOUTLAW » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:55 pm

Yeah, because the Clips are known for drawing free agents and not trying to save money.
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Post#253 » by dockingsched » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:00 pm

TheOUTLAW wrote:Yeah, because the Clips are known for drawing free agents and not trying to save money.


they've done both. i mean, baron davis didn't give that contract to himself.
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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#254 » by Harry_Seaward » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:00 pm

TheOUTLAW wrote:Yeah, because the Clips are known for drawing free agents and not trying to save money.



This is the Blake Griffin era.

They have much more stake (and opportunity to make money) with Blaker Griffin on a playoff team, then not.

There's incentive that's never been there before.
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Post#255 » by LApwnd » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:03 pm

TheOUTLAW wrote:Yeah, because the Clips are known for drawing free agents and not trying to save money.


more draw then your Cavs, even with James couldn't even get a guy like Ariza to sign there :lol:
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Post#256 » by Massimo » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:08 pm

How come it is a bad trade for the Clippers?

Are we sure that we are talking about Baron Davis who has been overweight and hasn't done "anything" for the Clippers since he was traded? This guy was playing well when he was playing for Golden State but no more my dear! He has been playing pretty awful, he has chronic injuries(not only one injury), since he arrived to the Clippers he has been always fat ass. And he lost his sense of winning in the Clippers as well. He gave up so early in some games that I watched.

It is a great move for the Clippers and it is the worst move for the Cavs.
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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#257 » by LApwnd » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:08 pm

Clipps should've tried dumping Kaman too if they're going to pay Jordan this off-season.
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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#258 » by lakerfan10770 » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:09 pm

dcash4 wrote:
TheOUTLAW wrote:Yeah, because the Clips are known for drawing free agents and not trying to save money.


they've done both. i mean, baron davis didn't give that contract to himself.


He wasn't exactly a hot commodity that summer. IIRC, he was pretty much mocked for being so foolish to opt out of his deal with the Warriors, only to turn around and get a fat contract from the Clippers. And honestly he is the only "big name" free agent the Clippers have signed in recent memory (maybe ever) and look how that turned out.

Bottom line is that they are not going to attract the star free agents, I don't think that Bron, Bosh, Wade, Joe Johnson, Boozer, Gay or anybody else I am forgetting from last summers free agent class even considered signing with the Clippers. What did they wind up with? Gomes & Foye, nice work.
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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#259 » by dockingsched » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:10 pm

LApwnd wrote:Clipps should've tried dumping Kaman too if they're going to pay Jordan this off-season.

eh, i think kaman is easy to dump if they ever need to. they dumped davis but still have bledsoe and got mowill back. if they dump kaman all they have is jordan and now are in a desperate position to resign him, giving jordan some nice leverage.
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Re: Official: Boom Dizzle for Mo Williams, p2 has confirmation 

Post#260 » by Pharmcat » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:10 pm

YFZblu wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:bad trade for clippers

saving money again? sure blake is happy to hear that


Do people really see this as a "bad" trade? Baron Davis shows up fat every year, will shoot 38% for 1/2 a season, get injured for the second half of the season, and Clippers/Warriors fans won't bat an eye--That's standard operating procedure for him.

I don't uderstand how losing that type of dead weight is a bad thing.


they gave up a lotto pick, and still didnt clean all the money of the books (unless for some reasons Williams doesnt pick up his options, but i dont see why he wont)
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