Kings <not> going to give Andre Iguodala a max contract

[WD]

Very bad move to pull an offer sheet! Sends wrong message to players in the future. Vivek better come out with a statement

I think it's a good message to players - don't use us to get more money and go elsewhere. Sacto makes a highball offer and somebody leaked it - and you can bet it wasn't the Kings camp. So it means somebody in Iguodala's camp leaked it to then used as leverage to get more money from Denver.

+1, I am so sick of these "highest bidder" marginal players......

[The Rebel]

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On the one hand I totally understand this: the Kings are willing to overpay if they know the guy's heart is in it and he's not wavering.

On the other hand, though, that seems like a really idealistic stance to take

So a player is only given a half day to consider an offer?

[carl_english]

The max is not really out of surprise. The only good guys available at SF are Rudy Gay(max) and Josh Smith(looking for max).

[The Rebel]

The Kings obviously didn't leak the offer, Iggy's side did, in hopes of getting the same money from the Nuggets or someone else. The Kings did what most teams should do: you want an offer, it better be serious, you want to use us for leverage, we're going to harpoon that leverage the instant that's what we are to you.

Like it or not every agent in the league uses every offer as leverage to try to get the best deal possible for their client. While it may make the kings look good today, long term agents will remember that the Kings are hard to do business with, and you cannot trust them to stick to their offers. making it even harder to attract players.

Very bad move to pull an offer sheet! Sends wrong message to players in the future. Vivek better come out with a statement

I think it's a good message to players - don't use us to get more money and go elsewhere. Sacto makes a highball offer and somebody leaked it - and you can bet it wasn't the Kings camp. So it means somebody in Iguodala's camp leaked it to then used as leverage to get more money from Denver.

+1, I am so sick of these "highest bidder" marginal players......

So a player should just go to whoever makes the 1st offer? Do you do that when you look for a job, or do you try to negotiate the best deal possible for you?

[rpa]

So a player is only given a half day to consider an offer?

Likely a full day (but yeah, I see your point).

The shopping the offer issue could also be one of the reasons. I mean, if the Kings said "we'll offer your 4/52, but we want an answer soon" and then they go around and shop the offer (the fact that the offer was higher kind of says they weren't considering it anyways) it's not surprising that they'd pull it. I mean, by leaking the higher offer they had considered it and apparently didn't want to goto the Kings (otherwise why leak it?)

[jazzfan1971]

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On the one hand I totally understand this: the Kings are willing to overpay if they know the guy's heart is in it and he's not wavering.

On the other hand, though, that seems like a really idealistic stance to take

So a player is only given a half day to consider an offer?

The player is only given as much time as the offer is on the table apparently. If you like the offer, don't hesitate.

[WD]

The Kings obviously didn't leak the offer, Iggy's side did, in hopes of getting the same money from the Nuggets or someone else. The Kings did what most teams should do: you want an offer, it better be serious, you want to use us for leverage, we're going to harpoon that leverage the instant that's what we are to you.

Like it or not every agent in the league uses every offer as leverage to try to get the best deal possible for their client. While it may make the kings look good today, long term agents will remember that the Kings are hard to do business with, and you cannot trust them to stick to their offers. making it even harder to attract players.

I think it's a good message to players - don't use us to get more money and go elsewhere. Sacto makes a highball offer and somebody leaked it - and you can bet it wasn't the Kings camp. So it means somebody in Iguodala's camp leaked it to then used as leverage to get more money from Denver.

+1, I am so sick of these "highest bidder" marginal players......

So a player should just go to whoever makes the 1st offer? Do you do that when you look for a job, or do you try to negotiate the best deal possible for you?

1st, I haven't looked for a job in a LOOOOOONG while, 2nd, these players have an idea that they are going to opt out before the end of the season and negotiating is one thing, but the team offered a MAX contract, what was/is there to negotiate.....looking forward to see what other team offers him the same money....

It's a negotiating game, and some teams are not in the mood to play

[The Rebel]

So a player is only given a half day to consider an offer?

Likely a full day (but yeah, I see your point).

The shopping the offer issue could also be one of the reasons. I mean, if the Kings said "we'll offer your 4/52, but we want an answer soon" and then they go around and shop the offer (the fact that the offer was higher kind of says they weren't considering it anyways) it's not surprising that they'd pull it. I mean, by leaking the higher offer they had considered it and apparently didn't want to goto the Kings (otherwise why leak it?)

Because the players just like the rest of us want to maximize their value, at the end of the day every player shops their deals when they are free agents, this is standard operating procedure, and does not mean that Iggy was not going to go to the kings, he is going to the highest bidder more than likely. If the Kings don't like that and are going to pull crap like this, agents will just tell the upper tier players to ignore them, and if you do not believe that then you are mistaken.

[The Rebel]

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On the one hand I totally understand this: the Kings are willing to overpay if they know the guy's heart is in it and he's not wavering.

On the other hand, though, that seems like a really idealistic stance to take

So a player is only given a half day to consider an offer?

The player is only given as much time as the offer is on the table apparently. If you like the offer, don't hesitate.

We both know that is not how it works in the NBA, especially when you are one of the upper tiers of free agents.

1st, I haven't looked for a job in a LOOOOOONG while, 2nd, these players have an idea that they are going to opt out before the end of the season and negotiating is one thing, but the team offered a MAX contract, what was/is there to negotiate.....looking forward to see what other team offers him the same money....

It's a negotiating game, and some teams are not in the mood to play

4 years $52 million is considerably lower then the max which would be right around 4 yrs $70 million, and the Kings may not be in the mood to play, but other teams understand that is the game they are in, and to win you better play. Fact is this is a bad thing for a new owner and front office, you do not piss off the agents by yanking an offer less then a day after you made it because the player did not jump up and sign the deal.

[WD]

So a player is only given a half day to consider an offer?

The player is only given as much time as the offer is on the table apparently. If you like the offer, don't hesitate.

We both know that is not how it works in the NBA, especially when you are one of the upper tiers of free agents.

1st, I haven't looked for a job in a LOOOOOONG while, 2nd, these players have an idea that they are going to opt out before the end of the season and negotiating is one thing, but the team offered a MAX contract, what was/is there to negotiate.....looking forward to see what other team offers him the same money....

It's a negotiating game, and some teams are not in the mood to play

4 years $52 million is considerably lower then the max which would be right around 4 yrs $70 million, and the Kings may not be in the mood to play, but other teams understand that is the game they are in, and to win you better play. Fact is this is a bad thing for a new owner and front office, you do not piss off the agents by yanking an offer less then a day after you made it because the player did not jump up and sign the deal.

He was offered the MAX THIS TEAM was willing to pay........again, I will be monitoring the team that signs him, glad they took a stand on their offer. Just because the max 'as you said" is 4/70, doesn't mean THIS PLAYER is worth 4/70.

[rpa]

Because the players just like the rest of us want to maximize their value, at the end of the day every player shops their deals when they are free agents, this is standard operating procedure, and does not mean that Iggy was not going to go to the kings, he is going to the highest bidder more than likely. If the Kings don't like that and are going to pull crap like this, agents will just tell the upper tier players to ignore them, and if you do not believe that then you are mistaken.

Not every player does it publicly. How many deals have been agreed upon this summer? How many were leaked before being accepted?

Also, the sole purpose of agents is to maximize the salary their clients get. If the Kings are proven to be willing to pay one of the top (if not the top) salaries for the players they like, then why wouldn't agents come back?

It's going to be interesting to see what happens to Iggy. If he ends up signing, say, a 4/44 deal then doesn't his agent look like an incompetent buffoon for shopping the Kings' 4/52 and costing Iggy $8mil?

[thinktank]

Iggy can either sign the offer or not. No use 8itching about it.

[ILOVEIT]

So I guess Kings pulled the offer after all. I'm surprised more teams don't do this. Make the offer, if the player's agent hesitates or tells the team to wait...F them. I think pulling the offer takes away leverage from agents using one offer to get more.

Anyway...Iggy must not be interested and perhaps there is something already offered him that has not been public....

[RIPskaterdude]

So maybe someone should update the title? OP? Mods?

[Gilles]

Complete speculation, but to me sequence of events looks like:
- Kings offered $52 million/4 years.
- Agent leaked that it was $58 million/4 years. I
- It looked like a play to leverage a big contract out of somebody else, so Kings set a deadline
- Iggy doesn't respond
- Kings pull the offer.

[King Baller]

Would have been great having Andre I on the Kings.
But......
It is what it is.

KB

[DWiz]

Would have been great having Andre I on the Kings.
But......
It is what it is.

KB

Iggy is the type of player to average 12, 5 and 5 on a max contract.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

Complete speculation, but to me sequence of events looks like:
- Kings offered $52 million/4 years.
- Agent leaked that it was $58 million/4 years. I
- It looked like a play to leverage a big contract out of somebody else, so Kings set a deadline
- Iggy doesn't respond
- Kings pull the offer.

Don't forget he is motivated now.

Oh well he won't see that money ever again, his mistake, should of said yes.

[blind prophet]

It is not over yet, the Kings could dump some salary and offer him a little less. Give it another week or two.

[Devilzsidewalk]

they offered him a ridiculous contract and he didn't jump on it, they were right to pull the offer. If he thinks he can do better, more power to him.