Suns and Bledsoe on the Verge of Irreparable Relationship

[I_Never Lied]

Do you actually think Dragic will be as good as he is NOW in 2018? Mind you the only Guards who have produced at Dragic's current level when they were that age, we ALL-TIME GREATS. The 20mpg/12ppg thing was me just being a little flexible.

That's all fine and dandy but if the comparison is Dragic vs Bledsoe, and you're taking Dragic's "decline" into consideration, then you HAVE to take Bledsoe's injury history and style of play into consideration as well.

There's legit reason why the Suns (nor anyone else) has offered him a max deal.

Age is definite. You WILL grow older no matter what and Dragic is closer to death's door than Bledsoe by a good margin. Injuries MIGHT happen. So no, you cannot weigh them the same.

[lilfishi22]

Age is definite. You WILL grow older no matter what and Dragic is closer to death's door than Bledsoe by a good margin. Injuries MIGHT happen. So no, you cannot weigh them the same.

No. Age is definite but decline is not.

[lilfishi22]

Either way, Parker's EXTREME TIGHT minute restriction is a clear indictment that Popovich knows the decline is looming. Guys in their "Prime" aren't being pulled with 5 minutes left in the 1st Quarter.

I'd say it's more about his injury history and Pop's insistence on bench depth than decline.

[NapoleonII]

First of all, Tony Parker is on a STRICT minute plan. Tony is a HOF'er anyway and that new extension is a 'thank you' which he deserves. But you can believe that he will start declining starting this year, it wont be as pronounced because of the super tight minute restrictions. he is lucky he has Popovich there to baby him.


The rest of what you said, I really don't understand. Goran will play well for the next 2-3 years and then be a drastically worse player than he is now.

Okay, add "must play between "at least 29.5 minutes for 66 games of the season" to the rest of your arbitrary stat requirements that aren't proving anything.

Seriously, are you Rich Paul?

How could I possibly be Rich Paul? I mean would YOU be on this forum right now if LeBron was your best friend?

Either way, Parker's EXTREME TIGHT minute restriction is a clear indictment that Popovich knows the decline is looming. Guys in their "Prime" aren't being pulled with 5 minutes left in the 1st Quarter.

Man, you're in charge of Lebron's PR? He should have hired someone with a law degree. Or at least someone's that's actually kind of good with, I dunno words?

Cut your losses dude, Bledsoe has no leverage and done **** up trying to get a max. The market has spoken and dude needs to play.

[improper]

Man, you're in charge of Lebron's PR? He should have hired someone with a law degree. Or at least someone's that's actually kind of good with, I dunno words?

Cut your losses dude, Bledsoe has no leverage and done **** up trying to get a max. The market has spoken and dude needs to play.

Or he could take the qualifying offer, play out next season, and approach next summer as an unrestricted free agent and see how the market values him without the specter of a matched offer looming over him.

Obviously there's a risk involved there. If he hurts himself, he could negatively impact his market value. But he could easily go that route if he really wanted to.

[I_Never Lied]

Age is definite. You WILL grow older no matter what and Dragic is closer to death's door than Bledsoe by a good margin. Injuries MIGHT happen. So no, you cannot weigh them the same.

No. Age is definite but decline is not.

Father Time's record is 986,775,896,865 - 0 with 356,668,543,862 KO's

[Cutter]

Man, you're in charge of Lebron's PR? He should have hired someone with a law degree. Or at least someone's that's actually kind of good with, I dunno words?

Cut your losses dude, Bledsoe has no leverage and done **** up trying to get a max. The market has spoken and dude needs to play.

Or he could take the qualifying offer, play out next season, and approach next summer as an unrestricted free agent and see how the market values him without the specter of a matched offer looming over him.

Obviously there's a risk involved there. If he hurts himself, he could negatively impact his market value. But he could easily go that route if he really wanted to.

He still won't get a max offer even if he is a FA. He doesn't have a max player skill set, and teams realize that. Add in his injury history and 48/4 is more than fair, and arguably a bit of an over-pay.

[lilfishi22]

Age is definite. You WILL grow older no matter what and Dragic is closer to death's door than Bledsoe by a good margin. Injuries MIGHT happen. So no, you cannot weigh them the same.

No. Age is definite but decline is not.

Father Time's record is 986,775,896,865 - 0 with 356,668,543,862 KO's

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[toucansma]

Man, you're in charge of Lebron's PR? He should have hired someone with a law degree. Or at least someone's that's actually kind of good with, I dunno words?

Cut your losses dude, Bledsoe has no leverage and done **** up trying to get a max. The market has spoken and dude needs to play.

Or he could take the qualifying offer, play out next season, and approach next summer as an unrestricted free agent and see how the market values him without the specter of a matched offer looming over him.

Obviously there's a risk involved there. If he hurts himself, he could negatively impact his market value. But he could easily go that route if he really wanted to.

The only ones that have even hinted at being scared away by the Suns matching are the people attached to Eric Bledsoe. No one else actually takes that seriously.

[improper]

The only ones that have even hinted at being scared away by the Suns matching are the people attached to Eric Bledsoe. No one else actually takes that seriously.

You don't think someone would have offered him a good contract if it weren't for restricted free agency? I'm not even a big Bledsoe fan, and I don't root for a team that needs him (the Cavs already have a pretty good point guard...maybe you've heard of him?). I just think it's pretty obvious that Bledsoe happens to play a very deep position and was restricted, which combines to make him a tough sell. I think he'd have a much better chance of getting a good contract offer next summer as an unrestricted free agent when prying him away was more realistic.

Greg Monroe is another guy in the same situation. He's probably worth at least twelve million a year, but he plays another incredibly deep position.

Meanwhile, Gordon Hayward and Chandler Parsons weren't worth max deals and both received them. Do you know why? Because the two and the three aren't nearly as deep as point guard and power forward.

[LV-Suns]

In the last 10 years, here are the list of players under 6'4 who have averaged at least 20 MPG and 12 PPG after the age of 32

Allen Iverson
Steve Nash
Chauncy Billups
Sam Cassell
Jason Terry
Andre Miller

That is less than ONE guy per year for the past decade who has played at a high level at an advanced age. Its really not that common. I am sorry for you.

Your list seems off...

I mean, just off the top of my head, I know Kidd should be on there.

Jason Kidd is not under 6'4. He is taller than Dwyane Wade

Well if you are going to narrow it down that way, Dragic is also not under 6'4. He is 6'4, just like Kidd.

[toucansma]

He has been offered a good contract (for the most people that don't think so are part of Bledsoe's representation) . No I don't think teams have been scared off as much as Bledsoe's camp wants people to believe. It's not next season though. The guy has had two knee surgeries and been a starter for a total of 80 something games. If he plays most of this year with the same numbers then of course he will get more next year (though if PG remains deep next year then who knows). I think even if he was unrestricted this year, he would not get a ton more.

The only ones that have even hinted at being scared away by the Suns matching are the people attached to Eric Bledsoe. No one else actually takes that seriously.

You don't think someone would have offered him a good contract if it weren't for restricted free agency? I'm not even a big Bledsoe fan, and I don't root for a team that needs him (the Cavs already have a pretty good point guard...maybe you've heard of him?). I just think it's pretty obvious that Bledsoe happens to play a very deep position and was restricted, which combines to make him a tough sell. I think he'd have a much better chance of getting a good contract offer next summer as an unrestricted free agent when prying him away was more realistic.

Greg Monroe is another guy in the same situation. He's probably worth at least twelve million a year, but he plays another incredibly deep position.

Meanwhile, Gordon Hayward and Chandler Parsons weren't worth max deals and both received them. Do you know why? Because the two and the three aren't nearly as deep as point guard and power forward.

[thamadkant]

dragic>>> bledsoe, its not close.

its close actually.

If you've watched more than 30+ Suns games last year with both or either Dragic or Bledsoe playing... they were called the slash brothers for a reason.

You saying its not close, incredibly underrates Bledsoe. Considering they were a 0.600 to 0.700 team with both, but fell off when Bledsoe went down.


With that said... due to injury risk, I am indeed leaing towards Dragic. He seems less likely to miss 20+ games, Bledsoe plays the way he does due to him relying on his extreme physical athleticism. If he loses 10-15% of that, he may become much lesser of a player.

[Sunsdeuce]

Do you actually think Dragic will be as good as he is NOW in 2018? Mind you the only Guards who have produced at Dragic's current level when they were that age, we ALL-TIME GREATS. The 20mpg/12ppg thing was me just being a little flexible.

That's all fine and dandy but if the comparison is Dragic vs Bledsoe, and you're taking Dragic's "decline" into consideration, then you HAVE to take Bledsoe's injury history and style of play into consideration as well.

There's legit reason why the Suns (nor anyone else) has offered him a max deal.

Age is definite. You WILL grow older no matter what and Dragic is closer to death's door than Bledsoe by a good margin. Injuries MIGHT happen. So no, you cannot weigh them the same.

Stupid comment. Please go away. Your continuous stupid comments are annoying.

Bottomline is goran is 100% better player right now and has no injury history. There is a good chance he can play another 7-8 years at a high level.

Bledsoe's only proven history is that he gets hurt a lot.

I would rather have a player (goran) for 3 great years than have Bledsoe for 5 injury filled years.

So with all that in mind, go try an sell your BS somewhere else.

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[drewsprocket]

Dragic played very well, but based on Talent and impact. Bledsoe is their best player.

I'd be happy to hear an argument but I can't see one. Dragic did pretty much everything better last year, and his advanced numbers, plus/minus, efficiency, etc were all better. He was also the team leader this year (and he also didn't miss half the season). Bledsoe is stronger and more athletic but Dragic is a better player now, helps his team more and has a more positive overall impact.

It more like Net Present Value thing. Dragic is 28, Bledsoe is 24. Eric is a two way player which can't really be quantified. 4 years from now Goran will be a bench warmer on his way out of the league and Bledsoe will be in the middle of his prime.

Who do you love?

I like Bledsoe, a lot. But he didn't show up because of injury and was why we didn't make the playoffs. You don't get max money for playing half a season. Had he been around, we made the playoffs, and all that -- then I can see him having a leg to stand on.

I could care less about an argument over Dragic being better -- the Dragon is. I'd rather give Dragic bigger money than Bledsoe because he plays and carried the team. And everyone knows.

I'll be glad to see Bledsoe re-sign soon -- and for a reasonable contract -- primarily because 48-50 million is what he deserves.

Rich Paul will be jobless and living on Lebron's couch in a few years if he doesn't change his tactics. It's a bad thing when this many fans have opinions on sports agents.

[SideSwipe]

For a guy named I_Never_Lied, this guy sure tells a lot of fibs. He is saying all of this to convince himself and his homey Bledsoe. Bledsoe has great talent. PHX will be happy to have him back on the court next year. Dragic was definitely better last year, and got even better without having to think about sharing the ball. He knew he was in charge and he led the team. Bledsoe has not shown himself to be that great of a leader. He is a good player who has shown flashes of greatness.

Dragic on the other hand has shown that he can do things that only top all time players can do. He has scored 23 points in a quarter in a playoff game, he has joined the 50-40-75 club on a PER of 21.4 and over 20PPG. Want to know how many people in the history of the league have done that (with more than 2.0 3PA/gm)? 2 Kevin Durant and Dirk Nowitzki. He also led the team to the cusp of the playoffs and 48 wins in this Western conference. He was also named to an All-NBA team. That means sports writers and analysts across the nation view Dragic as among the top 5 PG in the nation and top 15 overall. There is no debate about who was better this year and who has earned a high contract.

Bledsoe is good, but not as good as he thinks. The market trumps all and it is not convinced. If a team does offer him the max though, there is enough reason for PHX to match it still. He is not that far off to not be worth the risk if other teams are willing to put cash on the line. $52/4 is my bet. Extra for incentives (ASG...)

[I_Never Lied]

That's all fine and dandy but if the comparison is Dragic vs Bledsoe, and you're taking Dragic's "decline" into consideration, then you HAVE to take Bledsoe's injury history and style of play into consideration as well.

There's legit reason why the Suns (nor anyone else) has offered him a max deal.

Age is definite. You WILL grow older no matter what and Dragic is closer to death's door than Bledsoe by a good margin. Injuries MIGHT happen. So no, you cannot weigh them the same.

Stupid comment. Please go away. Your continuous stupid comments are annoying.

Bottomline is goran is 100% better player right now and has no injury history. There is a good chance he can play another 7-8 years at a high level.

Bledsoe's only proven history is that he gets hurt a lot.

I would rather have a player (goran) for 3 great years than have Bledsoe for 5 injury filled years.

So with all that in mind, go try an sell your BS somewhere else.

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Why you mad? Because deep down inside you know I'm right. Eric Gordon is injury Prone and Phoenix offered him 60 Million. Why, because he was young, fresh and juicy.

Kyrie is injury prone, but young, ripe and tender for that 90 million.

[I_Never Lied]

For a guy named I_Never_Lied, this guy sure tells a lot of fibs. He is saying all of this to convince himself and his homey Bledsoe. Bledsoe has great talent. PHX will be happy to have him back on the court next year. Dragic was definitely better last year, and got even better without having to think about sharing the ball. He knew he was in charge and he led the team. Bledsoe has not shown himself to be that great of a leader. He is a good player who has shown flashes of greatness.

Dragic on the other hand has shown that he can do things that only top all time players can do. He has scored 23 points in a quarter in a playoff game, he has joined the 50-40-75 club on a PER of 21.4 and over 20PPG. Want to know how many people in the history of the league have done that (with more than 2.0 3PA/gm)? 2 Kevin Durant and Dirk Nowitzki. He also led the team to the cusp of the playoffs and 48 wins in this Western conference. He was also named to an All-NBA team. That means sports writers and analysts across the nation view Dragic as among the top 5 PG in the nation and top 15 overall. There is no debate about who was better this year and who has earned a high contract.

Bledsoe is good, but not as good as he thinks. The market trumps all and it is not convinced. If a team does offer him the max though, there is enough reason for PHX to match it still. He is not that far off to not be worth the risk if other teams are willing to put cash on the line. $52/4 is my bet. Extra for incentives (ASG...)

He's gonna get a 5 year deal in the 65-70 million range. Injury prone and all. Phoenix can play hard ball if they want but will lose out to another team.

[Sunsdeuce]

Age is definite. You WILL grow older no matter what and Dragic is closer to death's door than Bledsoe by a good margin. Injuries MIGHT happen. So no, you cannot weigh them the same.

Stupid comment. Please go away. Your continuous stupid comments are annoying.

Bottomline is goran is 100% better player right now and has no injury history. There is a good chance he can play another 7-8 years at a high level.

Bledsoe's only proven history is that he gets hurt a lot.

I would rather have a player (goran) for 3 great years than have Bledsoe for 5 injury filled years.

So with all that in mind, go try an sell your BS somewhere else.

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Why you mad? Because deep down inside you know I'm right. Eric Gordon is injury Prone and Phoenix offered him 60 Million. Why, because he was young, fresh and juicy.

Kyrie is injury prone, but young, ripe and tender for that 90 million.

Lol....you have no idea what your talking about. Gordon was offered that contract by an individual who is no longer with the suns(blanks). Thankfully the hornets (pelicans) saved lance blanks from making a stupid move and even more thankfully...blanks is long gone. So your Gordon argument is pointless and worthless.

Deep down, I know that bledsoe isn't even worth 7 or 8 million a year because of his lack of background. But I was sorta cool with the 48 mil offer, even though it's still too much.

Bledsoe needs to man up and take the QO. Oh that's right he is scared he won't be able to play a full year and his value will go down.

Oh and no other team thinks he is worth more than what the suns are offering. So please Bledsoe keep holding your breathe for an imaginary team to offer you more. Bledsoe is doing a great job of burning bridges with the phx fan base. All he is showing is he cares more about himself than the team and fans.

Fact:goran is better than Bledsoe. Stats and game play prove this.



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[DusterBuster]

I give the Suns credit, I think they're playing this 100% right. He's being really unrealistic in the type of contract he thinks he deserves. He only showed half a seasons worth of actual max level play. Thats great and all, but you gotta show more to get the kind of coin he seems to believe he can get.