Bledsoe and Suns reach 5 year, $70 million deal

Niko23 · Post #241 » by **Niko23** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:03 pm

Read between the lines.....Bled will be a Cav next year. Ironic the Bogans deal went down essentially the same day. Rich Paul promised Waiters/picks and expiring for Bled. Suns agreed.

JMac1 · Post #242 » by **JMac1** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:26 pm

Everyone is just jealous Bledsoe is signed and under our control for five years. His missing meniscus will last five years, no worries there. His contract is very tradeable if need be. Great job as usual McD. He received no max, don't know why Kerrsed was arguing with Shem.

I.T. is on a fabulous contract, lots of youngs, pretty of money for Goran........ Draft picks (thank you Lakers), sounds like a lot of spoiled milk from Lakers, Hornets, what ever teams' fans that signed Parsons and Jazz fans as well.

This Suns fan is very happy, good day!!

JDLAW · Post #243 » by **JDLAW** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:37 pm

Niko23 wrote:Read between the lines.....Bled will be a Cav next year. Ironic the Bogans deal went down essentially the same day. Rich Paul promised Waiters/picks and expiring for Bled. Suns agreed.

Another dreamer. You have nothing to give for him.

d-train · Post #244 » by **d-train** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:47 pm

JMac1 wrote:Everyone is just jealous Bledsoe is signed and under our control for five years. His missing meniscus will last five years, no worries there.

His missing meniscus is good, no worries there. The worry is how long does his remaining meniscus last. Its curtains when something happens to the remaining meniscus.

JMac1 · Post #245 » by **JMac1** » Sat Sep 27, 2014 11:20 pm

d-train wrote:
JMac1 wrote:Everyone is just jealous Bledsoe is signed and under our control for five years. His missing meniscus will last five years, no worries there.

His missing meniscus is good, no worries there. The worry is how long does his remaining meniscus last. Its curtains when something happens to the remaining meniscus.

It will last five years.

kingstyyyle · Post #246 » by **kingstyyyle** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:39 am

Shem wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:
Shem wrote:Are you seriously going to play that card? Okay, then it's obvious you were in the dark about it, which is surprising, especially since you're a Suns fan. So let me spell it out for you. The Wolves wanted to offer a max contract to Bledsoe.... now hear me out because this is the part you missed, especially since you failed to acknowledge it... by trying to negotiate a sign-and-trade. It was news all over here. Sorry you missed it! I thought vacation time was over since it's fall and training camp is about to open!

Then shortly afterwards, the Suns finally give Bledsoe what he and his agent held out for. Funny how that happened. But at least you aren't in the dark about it anymore. It should give you something to ponder about. If you doubt it, just Google Bledsoe and Wolves and you'll see.

The reports that came out said the Wolveds DID offer Bledsoe a max contract, which was a lie. The Wolves WANTED to offer a max contact, but couldnt. They approached our FO with some lame S&T with them dumping contacts on us and we said no. And how did we give Bledsoe what he and his agent wanted. They held out all summer from talking to us and told us it was either a max contact or they would take the QO. Did he get the 5/$84M max contract that they were holding out for? No. We ended up paying him an extra $2M per year than our opening offer.

No need for you to get all snippy. I can understand that you have been misinformed.

No, you're not in reality here. What the Wolves did was just what another team would eventually do. It opened the Suns' eyes about Bledsoe and that is someone is crazy enough to offer that contract to him. So either they give into his demands if they want to keep him, or let him walk next summer after taking the qualifying offer (and yes Bledsoe would have eventually done it so he could play this year) and then be an UFA next summer where the Suns had no leverage.

Paul had been threatening to have his client sign a $3.7 million qualifying offer that would allow Bledsoe to become an unrestricted free agent after the season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--e ... 34004.html

From Adrian Wojnarowski. So unless you are crazy enough to say he has no credibility, you lost this argument.

Again, the Wolves made it happen. It's no coincidence that Bledsoe got his contract from the Suns AFTER the Wolves tried to make a deal. So they're responsible for this. So I'm right. Thank you very much!

LOL so a team that had no money said they would pay him money and it changed our mind?

kingstyyyle · Post #247 » by **kingstyyyle** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:19 am

d-train wrote:
JMac1 wrote:Everyone is just jealous Bledsoe is signed and under our control for five years. His missing meniscus will last five years, no worries there.

His missing meniscus is good, no worries there. The worry is how long does his remaining meniscus last. Its curtains when something happens to the remaining meniscus.

Yeah it is a concern. To be honest i was hoping he would get less but if our medical staff has no concerns I trust them

Shem · Post #248 » by **Shem** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:20 am

kingstyyyle wrote:LOL so a team that had no money said they would pay him money and it changed our mind?

It helps if you read all my arguments because I had already answered this. It's called a wake up call to other teams being interested and I've provided proof that if a deal didn't get done, Bledsoe would have signed the qualifying offer and become a UFA next season where the Suns would have had no leverage. Remember, it was the Suns who caved to Bledsoe, not the other way around. The Wolves just woke the Suns up.

Post #249 » by **lilfishi22** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:33 am

Shem wrote:
kingstyyyle wrote:LOL so a team that had no money said they would pay him money and it changed our mind?

It helps if you read all my arguments because I had already answered this. It's called a wake up call to other teams being interested and I've provided proof that if a deal didn't get done, Bledsoe would have signed the qualifying offer and become a UFA next season where the Suns would have had no leverage. Remember, it was the Suns who caved to Bledsoe, not the other way around. The Wolves just woke the Suns up.

You mean the Suns team that has publicly broadcast their intention to leave the door open for discussion with Bledsoe's camp since before the season even ended? The same Suns team, whose owner reiterated those intentions a month into free agency? The same Suns team which went ahead and signed Isaiah Thomas and drafted Tyler Ennis as a contingency plan if Bledsoe's team didn't want to come to the table before the season began? Which side had left more on the table? The Suns who only gave up Jared Dudley (the same Jared Dudley the Clips gave up picks to get rid of) to get Bledsoe and were ready to go into the season with a new guard rotation? Or the Bledsoe, who was risking a multi-year, multi-million dollar deal for the qualifying offer which paid him less than $4m? Not to mention his knees.

As for the Wolves waking up the Suns? You may have a point if the narrative was that the Suns were not willing to negotiate with Bledsoe unless he signed our offer or brought a legitimate max offer from another team to the table. But that wasn't the case, The Suns have never shut Bledsoe out nor did Bledsoe bring a legitimate offer to the table either.

As for the "proof" that Bledsoe would sign the QO if a deal wasn't reached? Well, he had damn near 3 months to sign on the dotted line. Everything else is just standard negotiation rhetoric. Lon Babby is a seasoned negotiator, he understands how this game works. There was as much proof Bledsoe was going to take the QO as there is as much proof the Suns were going to S&T Bledsoe to the Wolves for trash.

Take all that into considerations then ask yourself one more question: at what point did the Suns cave to Bledsoe when Bledsoe had made it known AND held out for a max deal since 1 July?

Mass Rig · Post #250 » by **Mass Rig** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:49 am

Wow, that is a steal. With the cap likely going up 20 million next year, next year this will be comparable to a 8 mi/year under the current conditions.

Fire your agent, Bled!

NBAfan3024 · Post #251 » by **NBAfan3024** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:21 am

Mass Rig wrote:Wow, that is a steal. With the cap likely going up 20 million next year, next year this will be comparable to a 8 mi/year under the current conditions.

Fire your agent, Bled!

Nobody was going to give him max. He hot the highest he could.

kingstyyyle · Post #252 » by **kingstyyyle** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:56 am

Shem wrote:
kingstyyyle wrote:LOL so a team that had no money said they would pay him money and it changed our mind?

It helps if you read all my arguments because I had already answered this. It's called a wake up call to other teams being interested and I've provided proof that if a deal didn't get done, Bledsoe would have signed the qualifying offer and become a UFA next season where the Suns would have had no leverage. Remember, it was the Suns who caved to Bledsoe, not the other way around. The Wolves just woke the Suns up.

I've read all of your ridiculous comments in this thread

EscapoTHB · Post #253 » by **EscapoTHB** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:57 am

How in the hell did that happen? Did Rich Paul have dirty photos of top Phoenix staff? The Suns had all of the leverage. Crazy. Don't know how he did it, but that's a huge feather in the cap for Rich Paul. Should help get some clients pronto.

Also Tristan Thompson is gonna get paaaaid.

EscapoTHB · Post #254 » by **EscapoTHB** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:58 am

Niko23 wrote:Read between the lines.....Bled will be a Cav next year. Ironic the Bogans deal went down essentially the same day. Rich Paul promised Waiters/picks and expiring for Bled. Suns agreed.

That seems...illegal. Also why would anyone want the Cavs picks anymore? Or Waiters? Bledsoe is better than Waiters. Wouldn't the suns just keep him?

SunsFanSSOL · Post #255 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:47 pm

Shem wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
Shem wrote:Wow, lots of people replying to me with all sorts of... well... whatever.

Here's the real facts:

http://www.nba.com/2014/news/features/d ... index.html

Now let's revisit what you said:

See the contradiction? Bledsoe said either more money or no deal. Phoenix finally gave in. So either you got inside information that David Aldridge doesn't have here, or you're just misinformed. Sorry pal. Now it's your turn to make it appear that what you originally said wasn't really what you said and how it's a misunderstanding.

http://arizonasports.com/41/1755373/Owner-Robert-Sarver-Phoenix-Suns-not-trying-to-lowball-RFA-Eric-Bledsoe
"We think we gave him a fair offer, and (we would) be more than happy to sit down with him and continue to negotiate it. We're happy to do that," he said.

That's from Sarver in August.

Another interview from August
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24657845/suns-owner-robert-sarver-we-havent-heard-from-bledsoe-in-4-months

Phoenix Suns owner Robert Sarver has already publicly said that he thinks his team's four-year, $48 million offer to restricted free agent Eric Bledsoe is "fair." Now, he's claiming that he's open to negotiating with him and agent Rich Paul, but they don't want to talk, via the Arizona Republic's Paul Coro:

"We value Eric as a player," Sarver said. "I hope at some point we'll be able to sit down and meet with those guys and make a deal."

A Comcast SportsNet Northwest report quoted a source who said the Suns' relationship with Bledsoe "is on the express lane to being ruined."

The table has always been open for Bledsoe and his team to come and negotiate. A few days out from training camp, he finally came to the table and got it done.

Oh, so if what Sarver is saying is correct, you believe is something like this happened:

Robert Sarver = (RS)
Eric Bledsoe = (EB)

RS - "We'll give you 4 years and $48 million."

EB - "No."

RS - "It's a fair deal."

EB - "No."

RS - "Well, come back if you want to negotiate for more money and years."

EB - "No, you had your chance. I don't want more money or years from you."

months later...

EB - "I want that max contract now. Sorry I held out, but basketball season is here and I don't want to miss the season."

RS - "All you had to do is ask. See, I told our table was open to negotiate. Here's your 5 years and $70 million."

Are you seriously going to think that people are going to buy this... well, besides you???

Yes, that is literally what happened. 4/48 was just the starting point according to Sarver. Suns did preliminary negotiations with Paul about Bledsoe and LeBron when they visited Cleveland in July, but the money was way off (4/48 vs. 5/80). Suns were always willing to go up but Bledsoe and Paul refused to go to Phoenix to meet them in person (Bledsoe hadn't been in PHX since April) and couldn't find an offer sheet anywhere else. Bledsoe didn't end up getting what he wanted (5/80) and the Suns didn't end up getting what the wanted (4/48 which equates to 5/60), so they compromised at 5/70. Wolves interest was coincidental at best, the Suns already knew Bledsoe had a market next off-season had he taken the QO and the Wolves couldn't do anything to sign him this off-season anyways.

Also, your ignorance regarding the Bledsoe/Lillard comparison is laughable. You state that Bledsoe, while more experienced than Lillard has less accolades. You fail to realize that Bledsoe, unlike Lillard, did not spend all 4 years in college and they're only 7 months apart in age. Bledsoe also hasn't been as lucky as Lillard injury wise and so as far as I'm concerned, they're pretty much on the same level experience wise. And let's be honest, Lillard wasn't the best guard remaining for that last spot all-star spot, Dragic was. He outplayed him in even significant guard related statistical category, but that's another story. Bledsoe is more efficient offensively than Lillard and a far better defender overall. Had Bledsoe been picked 6th overall and immediately started his rookie year you can guarantee he would be receiving the same amount of attention as Lillard currently is. Lillard is not elite, and all that there truly is that separates him from Bledsoe is marketability and game winning shots, and even his "clutchness" is overstated (as has been proven with statistics earlier in this thread).

jolbin · Post #256 » by **jolbin** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:46 pm

JMac1 wrote:
d-train wrote:
JMac1 wrote:Everyone is just jealous Bledsoe is signed and under our control for five years. His missing meniscus will last five years, no worries there.

His missing meniscus is good, no worries there. The worry is how long does his remaining meniscus last. Its curtains when something happens to the remaining meniscus.

It will last five years.

Its not only about the knees though.. Im a huge Suns fan, but as a strength and conditioning practioneer i am very nervous about erics back, ankles,...

jolbin · Post #257 » by **jolbin** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:51 pm

Niko23 wrote:Read between the lines.....Bled will be a Cav next year. Ironic the Bogans deal went down essentially the same day. Rich Paul promised Waiters/picks and expiring for Bled. Suns agreed.

What will the Cavs give up for Bledsoe?
Lebron or Love?

Sonne · Post #258 » by **Sonne** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:00 pm

Lillard is a ballhog while Bledsoe is a pure PG and plays real good defense!

Why u even care about the money the suns gave him? Is that your money?

Shem · Post #259 » by **Shem** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:57 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
Shem wrote:
kingstyyyle wrote:LOL so a team that had no money said they would pay him money and it changed our mind?

It helps if you read all my arguments because I had already answered this. It's called a wake up call to other teams being interested and I've provided proof that if a deal didn't get done, Bledsoe would have signed the qualifying offer and become a UFA next season where the Suns would have had no leverage. Remember, it was the Suns who caved to Bledsoe, not the other way around. The Wolves just woke the Suns up.

You mean the Suns team that has publicly broadcast their intention to leave the door open for discussion with Bledsoe's camp since before the season even ended?

You want to keep going in circles... fine. Let's use logic. Now why didn't the Suns give Bledsoe his money earlier? He obviously didn't like their original offer. There was a stalemate all summer. And how is the negotiating table open when the Suns weren't willing to even consider giving Bledsoe what he wanted? Well, until recently? Exactly.

lilfishi22 wrote:As for the "proof" that Bledsoe would sign the QO if a deal wasn't reached? Well, he had damn near 3 months to sign on the dotted line. Everything else is just standard negotiation rhetoric. Lon Babby is a seasoned negotiator, he understands how this game works. There was as much proof Bledsoe was going to take the QO as there is as much proof the Suns were going to S&T Bledsoe to the Wolves for trash.

From Adrian Wojnarowski, the most credible NBA Insider out there:

Paul had been threatening to have his client sign a $3.7 million qualifying offer that would allow Bledsoe to become an unrestricted free agent after the season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--e ... 34004.html

There's your proof! I've already posted this a few times over the weekend. But some of you Suns fans won't accept it. So I would suggest that you have to prove that Wojnarowski is NOT a credible insider. If not, it's like I said before, I win this argument based on the source I used.

lilfishi22 wrote:Take all that into considerations then ask yourself one more question: at what point did the Suns cave to Bledsoe when Bledsoe had made it known AND held out for a max deal since 1 July?

It's like I keep saying. It was when the Wolves made it known that they would offer a max contract to him if possible. Notice the deal got done soon after that happened. That's not a coincidence.

Shem · Post #260 » by **Shem** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:01 pm

kingstyyyle wrote:
Shem wrote:
kingstyyyle wrote:LOL so a team that had no money said they would pay him money and it changed our mind?

It helps if you read all my arguments because I had already answered this. It's called a wake up call to other teams being interested and I've provided proof that if a deal didn't get done, Bledsoe would have signed the qualifying offer and become a UFA next season where the Suns would have had no leverage. Remember, it was the Suns who caved to Bledsoe, not the other way around. The Wolves just woke the Suns up.

I've read all of your ridiculous comments in this thread

Oh, what an insightful post... NOT!

If my posts are ridiculously, then show me and use proof. Then prove on top of it that David Aldridge and Adrian Wojnarowski is ridiculous as well since I've quoted them, especially Wojnarowski many times. The fact is nobody has used real proof against me, yet I have used proof. Proof always win.

The truth is always going to be the truth whether or not you choose to accept it.