76ers will become dynasty in 10 years

[Unbreakable99]

This is some mindless drivel for early in the morning.

What about it exactly is drivel?

The fact he disagrees with it

What are the Bucks' plans? They haven't won since Lew Alcinder. Your plan since Alcinder has been a massive failure. Tell me your plan for the Bucks.

[BullyKing]

This is some mindless drivel for early in the morning.

What about it exactly is drivel?

The fact he disagrees with it

One team acquires its young talent by being so incompetent that its homegrown star refuses to stay. One team acquires its young talent by using high draft picks that it got as a result of strategic plan to get high draft picks. Yet its the second team that "embarrasses themselves." Not only that, the morality of the way in which a talent was acquired impacts the evaluation of their talent.

This is what you're defending.

[loserX]

There's still so many holes in the 76ers plan. This team is just as likely to bust as it is to boom. I don't buy into the hype whatsoever. I'll buy in when there's reason to.

Until then, I'm still gonna say the Jazz, Wolves, Bucks, Magic, Pelicans, and Celtics are in better situations.

The Jazz haven't won a title yet. You guys are still rebuilding. What's taking you guys so long? What is your plan? You guys haven't even made the playoffs in years. You guys stay in the lottery. Vic your team first before you ask about us. Make the playoffs before you ask about the Sixers.

Rather than just arguing "YOU SUX TOO" with everyone, why not answer the questions being asked? They're legitimate, and this doesn't help any.

And no, teams don't have to make the playoffs before we ask about the Sixers. Anyone can question another team's plan at any time.

[MiltownHawkeye]

What about it exactly is drivel?

The fact he disagrees with it

What are the Bucks' plans? They haven't won since Lew Alcinder. Your plan since Alcinder has been a massive failure. Tell me your plan for the Bucks.

The post I was quoting wasn't even tangentially related to the Bucks, or the merits of the Sixers' rebuilding plan.

[MiltownHawkeye]

we can end up there too....again I have admitted as such. I'm not sitting here acting like it is a lock that we will win all the chips. However, the lack of anything factual is a good reason to be a little optimistic for now. this article is stupid. But like every Sixers thread there is a lot of misconceptions and tired rhetoric that goes around like facts.

Problem is, some people like to take the "lack of anything factual" and run completely wild with it; we have no idea how the Sixers rebuild will turn out, but **** you if you think it's going to be bad! And if you're farther ahead in your rebuild than the Sixers are, enjoy the treadmill.

Except no one is **** saying that?

Of course no one was saying that, it was sarcasm.

[Mik317]

There's still so many holes in the 76ers plan. This team is just as likely to bust as it is to boom. I don't buy into the hype whatsoever. I'll buy in when there's reason to.

Until then, I'm still gonna say the Jazz, Wolves, Bucks, Magic, Pelicans, and Celtics are in better situations.

The Jazz haven't won a title yet. You guys are still rebuilding. What's taking you guys so long? What is your plan? You guys haven't even made the playoffs in years. You guys stay in the lottery. Vic your team first before you ask about us. Make the playoffs before you ask about the Sixers.

Rather than just arguing "YOU SUX TOO" with everyone, why not answer the questions being asked? They're legitimate, and this doesn't help any.

And no, teams don't have to make the playoffs before we ask about the Sixers. Anyone can question another team's plan at any time.

what questions?

The same ones we have answered in countless of these repetitive ass threads?

When are yall going to try to build a team? When we have pieces worth building around in place.

What if it doesn't work out? It just doesn't...most plans don't. Doesn't mean you don't try...Plus we at least have Capspace and picks to fall back on instead of nothing.

What if Hinkie trades Noel doe? If he does and the piece we get back isn't good enough I'd imagine fans would begin to get upset. Noel > MCW so the get back needs to be a lot better than a chance at a 4-14 pick.

We have answered all of these questions and all we get back is "well it won't work because it is putting everything up to luck and Embiid could die at any moment..so it is bad. Losing Culture. Disgrace to the league. blah blah blah" back,,,outside of a few I think Sixers fans have been pretty good at answering questions...it just gets frustrating to keep reading how the plan is risky and yet all people keep telling us is how it will fail. We keep getting people virtually saying that it is a lock to fail when that isnt fair at all. No one can speak in absolutes and I agree with that fully...but it really feels like that only applies to Sixers fans and not everyone..because these threads are often full of equally smug posters saying that it is a lock that we will fail...yet all we hear is about how "risky" or lower % it is that it will work...what about the other side of that...or better yet the middle ground in which IS STILL BETTER than Pre-Hinkie because we will in that scenario at worst have multiple young players to watch grow. If we simply end up as the Jazz (again no diss), that is a hell of a lot better than watching Elton Brand labor up the court, Iggy be forced to be what he is not....

[Edrees]

Some people argue that the spurs aren't even a dynasty because they never repeated, and some people have the gull to claim the sixers who have draft picks will become a dynasty? I hope their coach is better than Pop and they have a player better than Timmy, otherwise it's a very low chance

If everything goes perfect, they will have a decent shot to get one title. But two titles, in a row? Only Shaq, Kobe Bryant and Lebron James have been able to do that as the best players on their team in the last 16 years. You are basically predicting they draft a player of this calibur and pair him with an all time great coach.

[Ponchos]

Some people argue that the spurs aren't even a dynasty because they never repeated, and some people have the gull to claim the sixers who have draft picks will become a dynasty? I hope their coach is better than Pop and they have a player better than Timmy, otherwise it's a very low chance

If everything goes perfect, they will have a decent shot to get one title. But two titles, in a row? Only Shaq, Kobe Bryant and Lebron James have been able to do that as the best players on their team in the last 16 years. You are basically predicting they draft a player of this calibur and pair him with an all time great coach.

By "some people" argue the Spurs aren't a dynasty you mean stupid people right?

[loserX]

The Jazz haven't won a title yet. You guys are still rebuilding. What's taking you guys so long? What is your plan? You guys haven't even made the playoffs in years. You guys stay in the lottery. Vic your team first before you ask about us. Make the playoffs before you ask about the Sixers.

Rather than just arguing "YOU SUX TOO" with everyone, why not answer the questions being asked? They're legitimate, and this doesn't help any.

And no, teams don't have to make the playoffs before we ask about the Sixers. Anyone can question another team's plan at any time.

what questions?

The same ones we have answered in countless of these repetitive ass threads?

When are yall going to try to build a team? When we have pieces worth building around in place.

What if it doesn't work out? It just doesn't...most plans don't. Doesn't mean you don't try...Plus we at least have Capspace and picks to fall back on instead of nothing.

What if Hinkie trades Noel doe? If he does and the piece we get back isn't good enough I'd imagine fans would begin to get upset. Noel > MCW so the get back needs to be a lot better than a chance at a 4-14 pick.

We have answered all of these questions and all we get back is "well it won't work because it is putting everything up to luck and Embiid could die at any moment..so it is bad. Losing Culture. Disgrace to the league. blah blah blah" back,,,outside of a few I think Sixers fans have been pretty good at answering questions...it just gets frustrating to keep reading how the plan is risky and yet all people keep telling us is how it will fail. We keep getting people virtually saying that it is a lock to fail when that isnt fair at all. No one can speak in absolutes and I agree with that fully...but it really feels like that only applies to Sixers fans and not everyone..because these threads are often full of equally smug posters saying that it is a lock that we will fail...yet all we hear is about how "risky" or lower % it is that it will work...what about the other side of that...or better yet the middle ground in which IS STILL BETTER than Pre-Hinkie because we will in that scenario at worst have multiple young players to watch grow. If we simply end up as the Jazz (again no diss), that is a hell of a lot better than watching Elton Brand labor up the court, Iggy be forced to be what he is not....

I agree with you, especially about these threads being repetitive.

I just bristle a bit when someone says "you have no right to ask me anything about my team because your team has been out of the playoffs for three years". That's nonsense. This is a discussion board, and the thread in question is about the Sixers' plan. That means we can discuss it, and the thread is not only open to fans of teams that have won the title since 2010 or whatever.

[Edrees]

Some people argue that the spurs aren't even a dynasty because they never repeated, and some people have the gull to claim the sixers who have draft picks will become a dynasty? I hope their coach is better than Pop and they have a player better than Timmy, otherwise it's a very low chance

If everything goes perfect, they will have a decent shot to get one title. But two titles, in a row? Only Shaq, Kobe Bryant and Lebron James have been able to do that as the best players on their team in the last 16 years. You are basically predicting they draft a player of this calibur and pair him with an all time great coach.

By "some people" argue the Spurs aren't a dynasty you mean stupid people right?

While I think the spurs are the dynasty, I was just using it as a point to say you have to do with the spurs did as a bare minimum to be considered one

[MiltownHawkeye]

The Jazz haven't won a title yet. You guys are still rebuilding. What's taking you guys so long? What is your plan? You guys haven't even made the playoffs in years. You guys stay in the lottery. Vic your team first before you ask about us. Make the playoffs before you ask about the Sixers.

Rather than just arguing "YOU SUX TOO" with everyone, why not answer the questions being asked? They're legitimate, and this doesn't help any.

And no, teams don't have to make the playoffs before we ask about the Sixers. Anyone can question another team's plan at any time.

what questions?

The same ones we have answered in countless of these repetitive ass threads?

When are yall going to try to build a team? When we have pieces worth building around in place.

What if it doesn't work out? It just doesn't...most plans don't. Doesn't mean you don't try...Plus we at least have Capspace and picks to fall back on instead of nothing.

What if Hinkie trades Noel doe? If he does and the piece we get back isn't good enough I'd imagine fans would begin to get upset. Noel > MCW so the get back needs to be a lot better than a chance at a 4-14 pick.

We have answered all of these questions and all we get back is "well it won't work because it is putting everything up to luck and Embiid could die at any moment..so it is bad. Losing Culture. Disgrace to the league. blah blah blah" back,,,outside of a few I think Sixers fans have been pretty good at answering questions...it just gets frustrating to keep reading how the plan is risky and yet all people keep telling us is how it will fail. We keep getting people virtually saying that it is a lock to fail when that isnt fair at all. No one can speak in absolutes and I agree with that fully...but it really feels like that only applies to Sixers fans and not everyone..because these threads are often full of equally smug posters saying that it is a lock that we will fail...yet all we hear is about how "risky" or lower % it is that it will work...what about the other side of that...or better yet the middle ground in which IS STILL BETTER than Pre-Hinkie because we will in that scenario at worst have multiple young players to watch grow. If we simply end up as the Jazz (again no diss), that is a hell of a lot better than watching Elton Brand labor up the court, Iggy be forced to be what he is not....

"The Sixers are going to be amazing in five years."

"The Sixers are still going to be terrible in five years."

The sooner you and everyone else accepts that these two statements (in a vacuum) are equally valid, the shorter these threads can be.

[mtron929]

If you're a fan of spreadsheets, sure. But most fans care about what's actually happening on the court. And there's no way that the current 76ers team is putting a better product on the floor that Jrue's 76ers team. And Hinkie was flipping guys he drafted like MCW and KJ this season to do more tanking.

Look, I don't mean to blast the 76ers like a lot of people around here. How they want to chase championships is their business, even if I have a minor gripe about teams intentionally bringing a bad product into other teams arenas. And I absolutely agree that they're in a better position going forward now than they were 3-4 years ago. But it'd be easier for everyone if Hinkie would just decide that it was time to try to win. Then everyone could agree about a turnaround.

We're just operating in degrees here. Your Bucks could have easily traded Giannis or your pick that became Jabari for some veterans and spared opposing fans from your 2013-2014 slopfest. (Which lost more games than either of our tanking years) But somehow what the Bucks did is ok and what the Sixers did isn't. All seems like a lot of moral grandstanding BS if you ask me. Let teams do what they want and leave them alone IMO.

It's the brazenness that attracts such ire. The 76ers have essentially said that they intend to be terrible until they get lucky. There's an implicit bit with every other rebuilding team that they are trying to develop a team, while the 76ers looks as every player merely as an asset. They aren't trying to rebuild anything, they're playing the slot machine.

Let me ask you this as a 76ers fan, which year does it stop being ok to tank? When you do expect them to try and win?

Unless you are a team like the Lakers and the Heat, you are not getting a superstar player via the free agency. Thus, you need to get lucky in the draft to get a player like Durant (Oklahoma), Davis (New Orleans), or Curry (Golden State) to give yourself a chance at a championship. Once you have these players, then it becomes much easier to build your team. And the Sixers have been giving themselves a good shot at landing these players by stock piling picks. Of course, there still is a lot of luck involved but the expectation value of landing a transcendental player can decrease from 30 years to 10 years with this strategy. And to many fans, it is worth a shot to blatantly tank a couple of years to enhance the likelihood of becoming really really good later on.

[DarkAzcura]

I wouldn't be shocked if the Sixers became a contender of sorts over the next 3-6 years, but this guy has to slow his roll a bit. I have no idea where this idea that the Sixers are the first team to build this way comes from. There have been plenty of teams that tanked it out for a few years, but that way of building has yet to succeed. OKC is the latest team to attempt a build this way, and no other team was as successful in the draft as they were when they picked up Durant, Ibaka, Harden, Westbrook, and Green in straight years. Incredible drafting with what became three MVP caliber players. Two of them still play together, and yes while they were excused this year for injuries, they haven't even won a championship with perhaps the greatest string of drafting ever. That's mainly because they struggled to find a coach to mold them correctly to go along with eh supporting casts. That is why I say slow your roll. They may have the future DPOY (Noel) on their team and maybe a future MVP caliber player if Embiid or whoever they draft this year pans out, but it takes so much more to build a championship winner.

[Sixersftw]

"The Sixers are going to be amazing in five years."

"The Sixers are still going to be terrible in five years."

The sooner you and everyone else accepts that these two statements (in a vacuum) are equally valid, the shorter these threads can be.

Yeah, I don't think it's Sixers fans that have the problem with both sides of the argument. I don't think I've seen a single Sixers fan that doesn't acknowledge the downside of our course of action. Almost every Sixers thread on the GB is just the same trolly, repetitive crap.

[MiltownHawkeye]

"The Sixers are going to be amazing in five years."

"The Sixers are still going to be terrible in five years."

The sooner you and everyone else accepts that these two statements (in a vacuum) are equally valid, the shorter these threads can be.

Yeah, I don't think it's Sixers fans that have the problem with both sides of the argument.

of course you don't think that

[psualltheway5]

With regards to the Jazz (since I don't feel like quoting):

They have a ton of nice players. Gobert, Favors, and Hayward is a solid core. However, none of the three have "superstar" potential. So essentially, the Jazz' entire plan revolves around Dante Exum living up to insanely high expectations. If he doesn't pan out, they are stuck in the treadmill. They had a nice season, but as Sixers fans know, it is hard to get a game changer towards the end of the lottery.

Basically, their whole plan comes down to Exum, in my opinion.

[83SixersRocked]

"The Sixers are going to be amazing in five years."

"The Sixers are still going to be terrible in five years."

The sooner you and everyone else accepts that these two statements (in a vacuum) are equally valid, the shorter these threads can be.

You're going after the wrong guy - he's done that many times.
And in all the times he's said that, I haven't heard anyone else say what their favorite team's plan is. They've given their impression, but not the plan.

[DowJones]

What Philly is doing isn't new. Many teams have has top-5 draft during a 5 year stretch. How is this any different than what Cleveland, Chicago, Minnesota, OKC, Sacramento, and even teams like Orlando have done?

I don't mind the strategy. I think it is fine. I do have a problem with an article that talks about a dynasty when the only player from this group that has played a game in the NBA is Nerlens Noel. It isn't even like Philly is winning the lottery. Their draft picks are 6th-3rd-3rd.

[psualltheway5]

What Philly is doing isn't new. Many teams have has top-5 draft during a 5 year stretch. How is this any different than what Cleveland, Chicago, Minnesota, OKC, Sacramento, and even teams like Orlando have done?

I don't mind the strategy. I think it is fine. I do have a problem with an article that talks about a dynasty when the only player from this group that has played a game in the NBA is Nerlens Noel. It isn't even like Philly is winning the lottery. Their draft picks are 6th-3rd-3rd.

It's different for a few reasons:

1. The Sixers have tons of cap space relative to those other teams listed.
2. Unlike most of those teams, the Sixers futility was not due to incompetence.
3. How many of those teams walked out with the "best player" in the draft 2 years in a row?

[James40]

Sheesh, all I want is my team to stay healthy and win 40 games, besides you have to win a championship at some point to even get the dynasty started. Of course you also have to hope another big 3 or big 4 players don't get together when the cap goes over 100 million.

If Hinkie makes and has made the right picks the Sixers have a bright future, no one can deny that. But to argue page after page about what might happen is the defintion of insanity. Saric might change his name to Danielle and decide to play for Isiah Thomas and the Liberty, no one knows **** about what's going to happen during the next 10 years, much less 10 months.