Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts (Updte Pg 17: Offer Pulled, DMo UFA)

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BJ Armstrong managed to negotiated a 1 year partially guaranteed (5 million out of 8.5 contract) with a 1+2 year team option for a 26 year old PF with plenty of potential.

Net could get rid of him during the first year, before the second year, AND after the second year. Never seen a contract this player unfriendly, ignoring all the $. The only people who sign contracts like these are 30+ year old vets on their last trip in the league.

BJ could have probably asked for a $12m/year contract. $48m/4 year. If DMo plays poorly, he gets cut after the first season. Low risk to the team, fair contract value for DMo for years 2-4.

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Best thing would of happened if he signed QO and just showed what he can do and earn his payday next season with a team who wants him. I think Rockets should add those bonuses, since this contract is a steal anyway..

They couldn't add all of them because some where Nets specific and now it's too late to retroactively give him the rest of the bonuses. Only way something like that happened is they put him back on rfa market and work something out between themselves, which has apparently been talked about between the two parties

If they put him back as a rfa what's to stop them from scumballing and signing that rumored "better offer"? They are the shady ones here.

[K_chile22]

Best thing would of happened if he signed QO and just showed what he can do and earn his payday next season with a team who wants him. I think Rockets should add those bonuses, since this contract is a steal anyway..

They couldn't add all of them because some where Nets specific and now it's too late to retroactively give him the rest of the bonuses. Only way something like that happened is they put him back on rfa market and work something out between themselves, which has apparently been talked about between the two parties

If they put him back as a rfa what's to stop them from scumballing and signing that rumored "better offer"? They are the shady ones here.

Assuming that deal is real then nothing. But the Rockets won't release him back to rfa unless he is going to sign a new deal with the Rockets immediately

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[OptionZero]

meanwhile they can not only refuse to pay him (duh) but they AND the NBA can fine him for conduct detrimental to the league/team

HOU probably won't use that nuclear option but id be delighted if the NBA did, just to **** with Armstrong

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All this madness about Parsons feeling disrespected by Houston NEEDS TO STOP. Parsons was under contract for 800k and Morey let him out of arguably the best contract in the NBA that season so he could go sign a 15m/ deal with their in state rival.

Players see that and know that Morey will do what is right, even if it means direct pain for himself. That is far more important than how Asik felt (and they traded him when he demanded it) when they added a FAR BETTER player.

Unless you think that Dwight SHOULD have been babied more, or that the Parsons offer sheet should have been matched, or that Houston shouldn't have traded Asik for a 1st and added a far better player at his position, in which case you wouldn't make nearly as good of a GM as Morey.

Parsons is the one who said it. Can't tell him he's wrong, they implied he wasn't a star. He got paid like one.

Players do not see and know that Morey will do what is right. Exact opposite actually. No other GM has rumors like this about him. So either Morey's being persecuted unfairly for no reason, or these frequent incidents are happening.

The fault is Morey's that he told Asik something and did another. The fault is Morey's that he implied publicly that Chandler Parsons wasnt a star for no reason. The fault is Morey's that he tried to influence minutes on the floor because of negotiations. That's what this is about, not that he's a lousy evaluator. If he was a lousy evaluator in addition to being lousy at interpersonal skills with players, he wouldn't have a job.

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As it's well within their rights to do.

Houston has played hard ball here, but the agent should have known better. I don't know if he thought he could use media to his advantage, but having his client sign that deal was a huge mistake.

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Its the only move they could make at this point. Plus if DMo is negotiating for the extra 6m, that means he's only worried about the money and its not as much about the issue with the team.

But man, its gonna be tense if the Rockets refuse to pony up the extra 6m (half of which is on the back end, I'd assume, and unguaranteed). They'll need to hope he plays well enough to coax out some value to justify this crapshow

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As it's well within their rights to do.

Houston has played hard ball here, but the agent should have known better. I don't know if he thought he could use media to his advantage, but having his client sign that deal was a huge mistake.

Yes, I think this is all on the agent, most players don't know anything about the cba and nobody should expect them to, that's what they paid the agent for.

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meanwhile they can not only refuse to pay him (duh) but they AND the NBA can fine him for conduct detrimental to the league/team

HOU probably won't use that nuclear option but id be delighted if the NBA did, just to **** with Armstrong

And let's not forget D-Mo is just coming off a rookie deal as a late 1st round pick. He's only earned around $6 million for his whole career and that's before taxes.

By dragging negotiations out to December he has already lost more than $2 million of the current deal and loses thousands more by the day, while exposing himself to further fines and penalties.
All just to end up on essentially the same deal that's been on the table for months and with a lot less leverage than he had at the start of free agency.

An agent's job is to help their client make money, but it appears BJ Armstong has done the exact opposite every step of the way in this fiasco.

I think Fran Blinebury sums it all up pretty well here:
http://www.nba.com/article/2016/12/08/houston-rockets-rolling-or-without-donatas-motiejunas

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If morey is seriously just not willing to sign him with the incentives (I'm assuming all star/certain amount of games and stuff like that)

Then I blame morey..if he plays up to the standards he deserves to get his incentives then he's playing well and deserves it

Don't understand why you would blame Morey? BJ and DMo were the ones to sign the contract with strange terms, Morey only matched it. Every GM would match that contract. The contract essentially poses no risks after the first year, when it becomes non guaranteed. Houston has all the leverage at this point. I've never seen a contract for a restricted agent with those terms before. It's almost like BJ and DMo never read the contract.

When I look at the contract, I couldn't believe it, I thought usually team would construct the contract in a way so the former team won't match, the contract is actually pretty friendly for Rockets (this is before I find out the Rockets doesn't even need to match the bonuses). Big fail on BJ Armstrong, maybe D-Mo can sues him for the bonuses $$$.

[OptionZero]

We know how this ends, right?

Dmo fires BJ, uses him as a scape goat, then returns to HOU and makes nice. He winds up with some sort of compromised deal but forfeits the missed games worth of salary

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The fault is Morey's that he told Asik something and did another.

This has been debunked time and again in this very thread, but I admire your persistence.

The fault is Morey's that he implied publicly that Chandler Parsons wasnt a star for no reason.

Morey said the team was in pursuit of a 3rd star, as he had since acquiring Dwight Howard.
After signing with Dallas, Parsons declared he felt he was a star.
It's been three seasons removed now, I'll let you determine who made the more accurate assessment. If you need more information consult your favorite Mavs fan.

The fault is Morey's that he tried to influence minutes on the floor because of negotiations.

Dwight Howard, out of his own mouth, said he went to Morey seeking more touches and Morey told him directly that was not a direction the team was going to go. I don't think it gets any more straightforward than that.
Now, if you are of the mind that Howard did deserve more post touches then...umm, well...okay

At this point I have to start seriously wondering if you are on BJ Armstrong's payroll.
There is just no real way you can lay this episode at Morey's feet.

[K_chile22]

Plus if DMo is negotiating for the extra 6m, that means he's only worried about the money and its not as much about the issue with the team.

So I was right after all!

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Its the only move they could make at this point. Plus if DMo is negotiating for the extra 6m, that means he's only worried about the money and its not as much about the issue with the team.

But man, its gonna be tense if the Rockets refuse to pony up the extra 6m (half of which is on the back end, I'd assume, and unguaranteed). They'll need to hope he plays well enough to coax out some value to justify this crapshow

From what I understand, the Rockets can't give him his bonus $ without returning him to rfa status and getting him to sign another contract, but they'd also risk him signing a contract with another team instead. DMo and BJ made there bed, and now they're begging for a chance to stab the Rockets in the back.

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Its the only move they could make at this point. Plus if DMo is negotiating for the extra 6m, that means he's only worried about the money and its not as much about the issue with the team.

But man, its gonna be tense if the Rockets refuse to pony up the extra 6m (half of which is on the back end, I'd assume, and unguaranteed). They'll need to hope he plays well enough to coax out some value to justify this crapshow

From what I understand, the Rockets can't give him his bonus $ without returning him to rfa status and getting him to sign another contract, but they'd also risk him signing a contract with another team instead. DMo and BJ made there bed, and now they're begging for a chance to stab the Rockets in the back.

If that's the case, then yup. Doubtful there's enough trust to do it via RFA, so it is what it is now

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So who has cap space to offer him a deal in March?

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So who has cap space to offer him a deal in March?

I REALLY doubt it goes that far. He hasn't made that much money throughout his career. He is going to want to play sooner or later.

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The owner of Cle in Houston (a nightclub, says Google) took a picture with Dmo tonight and claims he's reporting to the Rockets tomorrow here


No idea how true that is (going with not at all) but hey, it's something, and shows Dmo is in Houston.

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The owner of Cle in Houston (a nightclub, says Google) took a picture with Dmo tonight and claims he's reporting to the Rockets tomorrow here


No idea how true that is (going with not at all) but hey, it's something, and shows Dmo is in Houston.

Gosh, Russell Crowe is tall!!!