Sixers and Celtics in serious talks about potential trade involving #1 pick

mszymko · Post #241 » by **mszymko** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:11 am

Phi - ball
Lakers -Fultz
Celtics - Jackson

That would be a win for Philly, doubly so because of the spot that puts the Lakers in. LA don't necessarily need a PG nor a SF/PF, they would end compelled to move Russel or Jackson IMO. Celtics would get away clean with adding an asset and a player that fits their current team.

Brauer · Post #242 » by **Brauer** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:14 am

3rd pick to the Celtics, 2018 Lakers and Sixers pick go the Bulls, Butler to the Celtics, Fultz to the Sixers.

Veggamattic · Post #243 » by **Veggamattic** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:18 am

I didn't watch enough college ball last year to be sure about this but from what I have seen from watching a ton of video Fultz doesn't seem to be a ton better than any of the other top 5-6 picks. Better maybe but not air tight. If this is what Ainge also sees and/or is really happy with IT at the point maybe he just wants to take someone else he likes at #3 and get 2 more juicy picks to try and shoot for someone like Porter or Zion 1 or 2 years from now.

youngcrev · Post #244 » by **youngcrev** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:19 am

Brauer wrote:3rd pick to the Celtics, 2018 Lakers and Sixers pick go the Bulls, Butler to the Celtics, Fultz to the Sixers.

So the Celtics gets get Jimmy Butler for moving back 2 spots in the draft? Ainge is good, but he's not THAT good.

ZGendron317 · Post #245 » by **ZGendron317** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:54 am

If the Celtics can somehow pull this off to get Butler and then get Hayward in FA, I'm picking them to win the East. That would be a crazy good team (if it could even happen money wise). I'd love to see craziness happen, but odds are it won't.

Big_C_KU · Post #246 » by **Big_C_KU** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 3:55 am

If the Bulls get involved it would more than likely be Okafor, 3rd pick, and either Lakers or Philly 2018 pick to Bulls, Butler to the Celtics, and 1st pick to the 76ers. Throw in random crap to make more sense.

GregB · Post #247 » by **GregB** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:10 am

youngcrev wrote:
Brauer wrote:3rd pick to the Celtics, 2018 Lakers and Sixers pick go the Bulls, Butler to the Celtics, Fultz to the Sixers.

So the Celtics gets get Jimmy Butler for moving back 2 spots in the draft? Ainge is good, but he's not THAT good.

Agreed. Maybe something like.

Celtics out: #1 pick , Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart and 2018 Brooklyn pick, 2019 Memphis Pick, and Guerschon Yabusele

Celtics in : #3 , Jimmy Butler, 2018 Laker Pick and 2019 Sacramento pick.

Bulls out: Jimmy Butler
Bulls in: 2018 Brooklyn First, Marcus Smart, Jahlil Okafor, Guerschon Yabusele and 2019 Memphis First round pick

Sixers out: #3, Jahlil Okafor, 2018 Lakers pick and a 2018 Philly pick and Sacramento pick Swap

Sixers in #1 and Avery Bradley

Unbreakable99 · Post #248 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:17 am

Fultz is an overrated prospect. Boston will get more picks and trade our picks to get Butler. I'd rather have Ball or jackson. They are more impactful players.

ReturnofMVP3 · Post #249 » by **ReturnofMVP3** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:18 am

Dominater wrote:Ainge about to take BC to school

dw BC has been reading

robbie84 · Post #250 » by **robbie84** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:19 am

Only way I see us giving up Fultz is because we are getting one of PG13 or Butler and hopefully Hayward is coming.

Lets look at series of events:
-Jackson cancelled his workout with the Celtics
-Ball refused to work out of us.
-Chicago and Indiana are both primed for rebuilds.
Both Butler and PG13 are in their primes. We have IT and Horford in their primes. And we have Hayward on ice approaching his prime.

We didn't see Jackson or Ball for workouts, so we probably aren't taking either of them.

My personal assumption is that if we are trading away the #1 pick it means we are getting Paul George or Jimmy Butler and we are sending the #3 pick to Chicago or Indiana.

We get a haul from Philly of future picks and maybe Okafor.
Chicago gets #3 (or Indiana)
We get a star player with lots of future picks.

I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd certainly prefer Butler or PG13 over any of those guys at #2,3 or 4.

Unfortunately if we are getting both Hayward and one of PG/Butler, then we are going to see Bradley, Amir, Zeller, Jerebko all go out.

I'd say we keep Crowder as our Iggy guy off bench considering his contract, and Brown stays on bench.

Seems like an Ainge kind of move for me if he's not taking the BPA.

Frankie23 · Post #251 » by **Frankie23** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:21 am

Fultz, Simmons and Embiid could be really special

Scarletfire81 · Post #252 » by **Scarletfire81** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:26 am

robbie84 wrote:Only way I see us giving up Fultz is because we are getting one of PG13 or Butler and hopefully Hayward is coming.

Lets look at series of events:
-Jackson cancelled his workout with the Celtics
-Ball refused to work out of us.
-Chicago and Indiana are both primed for rebuilds.
Both Butler and PG13 are in their primes. We have IT and Horford in their primes. And we have Hayward on ice approaching his prime.

We didn't see Jackson or Ball for workouts, so we probably aren't taking either of them.

My personal assumption is that if we are trading away the #1 pick it means we are getting Paul George or Jimmy Butler and we are sending the #3 pick to Chicago or Indiana.

We get a haul from Philly of future picks and maybe Okafor.
Chicago gets #3 (or Indiana)
We get a star player with lots of future picks.

I don't think I'm alone when I say I'd certainly prefer Butler or PG13 over any of those guys at #2,3 or 4.

Unfortunately if we are getting both Hayward and one of PG/Butler, then we are going to see Bradley, Amir, Zeller, Jerebko all go out.

I'd say we keep Crowder as our Iggy guy off bench considering his contract, and Brown stays on bench.

Seems like an Ainge kind of move for me if he's not taking the BPA.

I think Ainge only does the trade if he can the #3 and future picks. He holds all the cards. If I were him I would wait until draft night. Get every asset he can from the 76ers.

KingFox · Post #253 » by **KingFox** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:32 am

I'm sorry but Butler isn't worth any of this. Are they crazy?

Repeat 3-peat · Post #254 » by **Repeat 3-peat** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:33 am

Big_C_KU wrote:If the Bulls get involved it would more than likely be Okafor, 3rd pick, and either Lakers or Philly 2018 pick to Bulls, Butler to the Celtics, and 1st pick to the 76ers. Throw in random crap to make more sense.

Lakers or Nets* 2018 pick.

I'm sure Chicago would want the Nets pick.

KingFox · Post #255 » by **KingFox** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:33 am

And 3 team trades are almost impossible to execute. I don't see anything coming of this, especially since it's already been reported.

Repeat 3-peat · Post #256 » by **Repeat 3-peat** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:34 am

BigCuz wrote:I'm sorry but Butler isn't worth any of this. Are they crazy?

What is Jimmy's worth then?

Post #257 » by **Capn'O** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:35 am

akhan786 wrote:Magic is trying to play 3D chess on this.

I think what is actually going on is that the 76ers are secretly trying to get Lonzo. And there is a high possibility if the 76ers select Lonzo #1, the Celtics could still find Fultz fall into their lap at #3, because he is rather redundant on the Lakers roster. WHICH is why it was "leaked" to DraftExpress that Magic is in "love" with Fultz so the Celtics are more hesitant to make the move so that Magic can still get Lonzo.

I was trying to wrap my head around this - I think you're right. Or, at least that's a plausible chain to explain the rumors.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #258 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:37 am

This move only makes sense for the Celtics if they get Butler.

If they're just looking to stockpile more picks, then its just stupid. I don't see why they would do that.

Sixers will come out the winners here. Fultz is projected to be a Superstar. If he lives up to his potential, they are not going to care about the other lottery picks it takes to get there.

Simmons/Embiid/Fultz is by far the best young combo in the NBA.

Att · Post #259 » by **Att** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:40 am

Capn'O wrote:
akhan786 wrote:Magic is trying to play 3D chess on this.

I think what is actually going on is that the 76ers are secretly trying to get Lonzo. And there is a high possibility if the 76ers select Lonzo #1, the Celtics could still find Fultz fall into their lap at #3, because he is rather redundant on the Lakers roster. WHICH is why it was "leaked" to DraftExpress that Magic is in "love" with Fultz so the Celtics are more hesitant to make the move so that Magic can still get Lonzo.

I was trying to wrap my head around this - I think you're right. Or, at least that's a plausible chain to explain the rumors.

Actually it doesn't make sense. How is Lonzo getting picked twice?

Att · Post #260 » by **Att** » Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:41 am

Colangelo is the worst GM in the league. Ainge is maybe the best. It's going to be a slaughter.