OT: Melo signs with Rockets

[Knicks Byke]

He’s going start he won’t be asked to do much than shoot and box out . He gives them a new look on offense .

two things he doesnt do anymore. nice.

[rocketsfan100]

I think for the vet minimum yeah it’s good because it leaves us free to cut him any time he acts up and we still have the whole MLE to sign someone when there is a buyout.

Chris Paul can tame him into accepting a lesser role as well I think.

[oldschooled]

Don't like Melo but I actually think this low key good acquisition for the Rockets. Melo will flourish playing like in the Team USA with CP3 and Harden.

[Rednation91]

No team with James Harden and Chris Paul is going to miss the playoffs.

You could take James Harden or Chris Paul off the team and we'd still make the playoffs....

It's like people forget that HOU won 55 with Harden, Gordon, and Anderson as their three leading scores for most of a season before CP3 even joined the party.

Now they think there is a significant chance for SEVEN teams with 49 or fewer wins last year to overtake a 65-win team simply because they replaced Ariza and half a regular season of "good" Mbah a Moute with Melo, Ennis, MCW, Melton, Hartenstein. Etc. Yeah, one is a 35-win team that added LeBron, but c'mon. We are talking about a 65-win team they are expecting all these sub-50 teams to overtake.

All I can say is that the Suns are obviously underpaying Ariza by about $20m a year.

And harden basically won 56 in 14-15 by himself. People really seem to forget how many games harden led teams win year in and year out. Only time they underachieved was dwights last yr

[Freefloater]

He’s going start he won’t be asked to do much than shoot and box out . He gives them a new look on offense .

two things he doesnt do anymore. nice.

2 things that happens with a regularity is
1 ppl become better players playing alongside Harden
2. ppl become better players after leaving westbrook

NOW you put 2 and 2 together
ps
heres a bonus for you
Had melo signed with gsw people would be screaming bloody murder hes ruined the league! (again)

[Freefloater]

There are the Warriors, then there are playoff competetive teams in the west. I see no way to distinguish between them.

Chris Paul and James Harden won't have a defense to back them up this year, with Ariza and Mbah a Moute out, and Melo in. They could miss the playoffs in the West as easily as LAL, OKC, SAS, Utah, Portland, Minni, NO, or Denver. They are all 1 injury away from sitting home. The odds for each are that they make the playoffs. But a couple of them won't. That's the west.

Rockets were 14-0 last year in games ariza didnt play
btw melo isnt replacement for ariza he is replacement for anderson

Just looking at minutes. I do think Houston will look different with Ariza and Mbah a Moute out. That's the biggest thing. Melo in is less important, but seems to go in the same direction. I think the perimeter defense is gonna be very different in Houston this year.

Add another year to Chris Paul, and a possibly a more selfish Capella (depending on what happens), and I think we're looking at Houston team in the same boat as everyone else in the West playoff race outside of the bay.

1 nothing that cp3 did last year was based on athleticism so he can only do better since its not a new system now they have more experience playing together
2 ariza was below average player on offense, he was hurting rockets and making us ineffective for years now, he cant drive he cant create , he cant put the ball on the floor without him rockets offense will go nuclear, i expect 70 wins regular season and championship given the fact the refs own us now for the robbing us in the last year wcf
3. as per capela comments, harden and cp3 went 5-2 vs the warriors last year, need i say more?

[Luigi]

1 nothing that cp3 did last year was based on athleticism so he can only do better since its not a new system now they have more experience playing together
2 ariza was below average player on offense, he was hurting rockets and making us ineffective for years now, he cant drive he cant create , he cant put the ball on the floor without him rockets offense will go nuclear, i expect 70 wins regular season and championship given the fact the refs own us now for the robbing us in the last year wcf
3. as per capela comments, harden and cp3 went 5-2 vs the warriors last year, need i say more?

My mistake. Chris Paul will be better at 33. Ariza was a net loss to your team while playing 3rd most minutes. And Capela is going to be happy looking at Paul's 40 million dollar mug all season because you beat the Warriors in the regular season.

Honestly, I hope you take out the Warriors. But it should have been last year. I'm not betting on Houston for a title this year. But they're as good as any playoff hunt team in the West.

[Freefloater]

1 nothing that cp3 did last year was based on athleticism so he can only do better since its not a new system now they have more experience playing together
2 ariza was below average player on offense, he was hurting rockets and making us ineffective for years now, he cant drive he cant create , he cant put the ball on the floor without him rockets offense will go nuclear, i expect 70 wins regular season and championship given the fact the refs own us now for the robbing us in the last year wcf
3. as per capela comments, harden and cp3 went 5-2 vs the warriors last year, need i say more?

My mistake. Chris Paul will be better at 33. Ariza was a net loss to your team while playing 3rd most minutes. And Capela is going to be happy looking at Paul's 40 million dollar mug all season because you beat the Warriors in the regular season.

Honestly, I hope you take out the Warriors. But it should have been last year. I'm not betting on Houston for a title this year. But they're as good as any playoff hunt team in the West.

let me put it this way, will you hold rockets acquiring melo, cp3 getting older , capela more selfish, pro or against harden for MVP case vs lebron next year?

If rockets dominate and their record is awesome will you say harden deserves mvp? or you will say he has too many weapons?

now go think about it for an hour, dont just jump to your keyboard for a quick answer

[Luigi]

1 nothing that cp3 did last year was based on athleticism so he can only do better since its not a new system now they have more experience playing together
2 ariza was below average player on offense, he was hurting rockets and making us ineffective for years now, he cant drive he cant create , he cant put the ball on the floor without him rockets offense will go nuclear, i expect 70 wins regular season and championship given the fact the refs own us now for the robbing us in the last year wcf
3. as per capela comments, harden and cp3 went 5-2 vs the warriors last year, need i say more?

My mistake. Chris Paul will be better at 33. Ariza was a net loss to your team while playing 3rd most minutes. And Capela is going to be happy looking at Paul's 40 million dollar mug all season because you beat the Warriors in the regular season.

Honestly, I hope you take out the Warriors. But it should have been last year. I'm not betting on Houston for a title this year. But they're as good as any playoff hunt team in the West.

let me put it this way, will you hold rockets acquiring melo, cp3 getting older , capela more selfish, pro or against harden for MVP case vs lebron next year?

If rockets dominate and their record is awesome will you say harden deserves mvp? or you will say he has too many weapons?

now go think about it for an hour, dont just jump to your keyboard for a quick answer

Am I taking homework assignments from Rockets homers?

[OlDirtMcBert]

Most GMs in would rather slip Melo into another team’s rotation than a poison pill. He’s that bad at 75% of the game basketball. He can still score, but he’ll give up twice as much as he earns. He barely makes it over mid court for the defensive possessions, and his team would be better off if he didn’t even bother. I hope he signs with Houston, because it’d be a clear sign that window is closing up quick.

[Alonzo_Morning]

big 4

Nah Ryno will regress this year

[Side beard]

I wonder how Dantoni will deal with Melo when he is not the first whistle in the club now.

[og15]

Don't like Melo but I actually think this low key good acquisition for the Rockets. Melo will flourish playing like in the Team USA with CP3 and Harden.

Melo was also a lot better player back when he played with team USA. I know this is what everyone goes to, but if Melo was the same age now as he was then and could move like he did then, he would be a much better player in general.

I'm not saying he'll tank there, just saying there's some limitation to that comparison that's always made.

[Rotten Apple]

Remember how everyone keeps saying he was terrible vs Utah defensively?

Well...

Thunder Defensive Rating vs Jazz- Best to Worst

Huestis- 103
Anthony- 106
Westbrook- 106
Abrines- 107
Felton- 109
Brewer- 109
Grant- 109
George- 109
Adams- 110
Patterson- 114
Ferguson-122
Johnson- 126

Unless DRTG doesn't matter on RealGM anymore then okay but he had the 2nd lowest DRTG in the series for the Thunder. His offense was trash as we know playing with Russ but this narrative that he held them back defensively has to stop OR we can stop using advanced stats to judge players. Either or you guys decide.

[inquisitive]

for vet min, good deal.

[og15]

Remember how everyone keeps saying he was terrible vs Utah defensively?

Well...

Thunder Defensive Rating vs Jazz- Best to Worst

Huestis- 103
Anthony- 106
Westbrook- 106
Abrines- 107
Felton- 109
Brewer- 109
Grant- 109
George- 109
Adams- 110
Patterson- 114
Ferguson-122
Johnson- 126

Unless DRTG doesn't matter on RealGM anymore then okay but he had the 2nd lowest DRTG in the series for the Thunder. His offense was trash as we know playing with Russ but this narrative that he held them back defensively has to stop OR we can stop using advanced stats to judge players. Either or you guys decide.

I've always been a detractor to individual Drtg, you should go check how it is calculated and make the opinion for yourself as to whether it is telling us anything about who is a good or bad defender.

In no way a single determining factor, but at the least on/off Drtg is more useful, but also needs context.

[Rotten Apple]

Remember how everyone keeps saying he was terrible vs Utah defensively?

Well...

Thunder Defensive Rating vs Jazz- Best to Worst

Huestis- 103
Anthony- 106
Westbrook- 106
Abrines- 107
Felton- 109
Brewer- 109
Grant- 109
George- 109
Adams- 110
Patterson- 114
Ferguson-122
Johnson- 126

Unless DRTG doesn't matter on RealGM anymore then okay but he had the 2nd lowest DRTG in the series for the Thunder. His offense was trash as we know playing with Russ but this narrative that he held them back defensively has to stop OR we can stop using advanced stats to judge players. Either or you guys decide.

I've always been a detractor to individual Drtg, you should go check how it is calculated and make the opinion for yourself as to whether it is telling us anything about who is a good or bad defender.

In no way a single determining factor, but at the least on/off Drtg is more useful, but also needs context.

I'm just saying its really weird how the perception is one thing but stats show the complete opposite. Perception is he was the worst defender on the court for OKC but stats show he was the 2nd best in terms of DRTG. And Melo has always been bashed on here for his DRTG being what it was and now that the opposite is true we gotta add some context. Just weird to me.

[og15]

Remember how everyone keeps saying he was terrible vs Utah defensively?

Well...

Thunder Defensive Rating vs Jazz- Best to Worst

Huestis- 103
Anthony- 106
Westbrook- 106
Abrines- 107
Felton- 109
Brewer- 109
Grant- 109
George- 109
Adams- 110
Patterson- 114
Ferguson-122
Johnson- 126

Unless DRTG doesn't matter on RealGM anymore then okay but he had the 2nd lowest DRTG in the series for the Thunder. His offense was trash as we know playing with Russ but this narrative that he held them back defensively has to stop OR we can stop using advanced stats to judge players. Either or you guys decide.

I've always been a detractor to individual Drtg, you should go check how it is calculated and make the opinion for yourself as to whether it is telling us anything about who is a good or bad defender.

In no way a single determining factor, but at the least on/off Drtg is more useful, but also needs context.

I'm just saying its really weird how the perception is one thing but stats show the complete opposite. Perception is he was the worst defender on the court for OKC but stats show he was the 2nd best in terms of DRTG. And Melo has always been bashed on here for his DRTG being what it was and now that the opposite is true we gotta add some context. Just weird to me.

My point was that this isn't what stats show as it is an incorrect understanding of that stat. We've always had to add context, I've called it out whenever I see Drtg used incorrectly. If it was the same people doing both then you have an argument, but it isn't.

Individual Drtg due to lack of defensive stats to go by assumes that every player is equally good at all the non-statistical defensive things, deflections, contests, charges, altering shots, rotations, etc, etc. Now, none of us actually believes this. So a players Drtg is the team Drtg and it is adjusted based on how well you get steals, blocks and defensive rebounds per minute. So it's basically the per minute steals, blocks, and defensive rebounds stat which is really not telling us who defends well or who does not.

Now of course there will be correlation with a lot of great defenders since many of them do well at those stats, and bigs will almost always be favored by the stat and they have a better chance of excelling at those stats post minutes, but that doesn't mean it is in any way accurately telling us who on the team is defending the best or even who is a good defender or bad one.

Like I said, if you wanted a stat that tells you the team Drtg while a player was on the floor vs off, the on/off will tell you that and it has more user though still limited power than individual Drtg which really doesn't actually give us much useful information.

[anish23]

He’s going start he won’t be asked to do much than shoot and box out . He gives them a new look on offense .

two things he doesnt do anymore. nice.

2 things that happens with a regularity is
1 ppl become better players playing alongside Harden
2. ppl become better players after leaving westbrook

NOW you put 2 and 2 together
ps
heres a bonus for you
Had melo signed with gsw people would be screaming bloody murder hes ruined the league! (again)

NO.

[Rotten Apple]

I've always been a detractor to individual Drtg, you should go check how it is calculated and make the opinion for yourself as to whether it is telling us anything about who is a good or bad defender.

In no way a single determining factor, but at the least on/off Drtg is more useful, but also needs context.

I'm just saying its really weird how the perception is one thing but stats show the complete opposite. Perception is he was the worst defender on the court for OKC but stats show he was the 2nd best in terms of DRTG. And Melo has always been bashed on here for his DRTG being what it was and now that the opposite is true we gotta add some context. Just weird to me.

My point was that this isn't what stats show as it is an incorrect understanding of that stat.

Individual Drtg due to lack of defensive stats to go by assumes that every player is equally good at all the non-statistical defensive things, deflections, contests, charges, altering shots, rotations, etc, etc. Now, none of us actually believes this. So a players Drtg is the team Drtg and it is adjusted based on how well you get steals, blocks and defensive rebounds per minute. So it's basically the per minute steals, blocks, and defensive rebounds stat which is really not telling us who defends well or who does not.

Now of course there will be correlation with a lot of great defenders since many of them do well at those stats, and bigs will almost always be favored by the stat and they have a better chance of excelling at those stats post minutes, but that doesn't mean it is in any way accurately telling us who on the team is defending the best or even who is a good defender or bad one.

I wouldn't dare say he was a good defender in the series because he wasn't but the perception that Utah got what they wanted vs him when DRTG(a stat that shows the opponents production when you're on the court) shows they weren't producing as good when he was on the court. OKC's DRTG was 108 for example. They were better with Melo on the court statistically.