Jason Tatum: I'm going to average over 20, make the All Star team, and the Celtics are going to the finals

[Darth Celtic]

Needs to prove his defence.

To be honest if he isn't scoring there's no reason for him to be out there.

He's a plus defender by pretty much any metric.

Hey, don't be bringing up facts to prove his incorrect opinions. That's not what we do around here. Have you seen Prokorov posting in here?

[Baski]

What else is he supposed to say, i'm going to average 10 points, the Celtics will not make the play offs and i'll have a 75 rating? Would that be the correct answer? Leave the kid alone, let him play the season and see what happens.

And yes of course the Celtics won't win the title this season, nobody with a brain would expect that. But a player has to say he wants to win it all otherwise people question his motor.

how about try and be humble and say you are just going to work hard and try to win as a team.

Taum/Brown/Rozier being ego maniacs and thinking they are great before proving anything was as big a problem as kyrie last year

Did they sleep with your mother or something? You seem like personally offended by the Boston Celtics. It's really weird. Get help.

It's actually a pretty fascinating phenomenon that I never noticed till recently. Fanbases will defend Donald Trump to the death as long as they believe he improves their chances of winning. Doesn't matter what baggage he came with or left behind. Like a player can't just be a douche who is great at basketball. They always have to defend his honour in every situation.

[Ballerhogger]

This will be his breakout year or this where he will be seen a good role player.

[Danny1616]

I like his confidence, but I also remember Celtics players last off-season predicting a finals appearance, and that didn't work out well.

[MrPerfect1]

Tatum strikes me as a pretty low IQ Basketball player. We know about his 20 foot fadeaways, low assist numbers, etc.

Even this quote seems worrying. Most people when listing goals put them in order to importance. In the video he lists 20 ppg 1st, All Star 2nd, then making the Finals as the last thing he mentions.

Additionally, would be nice if his goals were more team oriented things such as improve playmaking, become a better rebounder, improve efficiency, etc.

Get ready to see a lot of Tatum chucking this year as he goes for his 20ppg goal

[johanliebert]

Tatum strikes me as a pretty low IQ Basketball player. We know about his 20 foot fadeaways, low assist numbers, etc.

Even this quote seems worrying. Most people when listing goals put them in order to importance. In the video he lists 20 ppg 1st, All Star 2nd, then making the Finals as the last thing he mentions.

Additionally, would be nice if his goals were more team oriented things such as improve playmaking, become a better rebounder, improve efficiency, etc.

Get ready to see a lot of Tatum chucking this year as he goes for his 20ppg goal

If you knew anything about his game wouldn't tell him to improve his playmaking or rebounding lol. How do you call a pro a low IQ player and make these stupid suggestions lol.

[johanliebert]

didnt take long for the defense remarks. When have casuals started demanding defense? the top 5 players in the world dont play defense unless you got kawhi in there and honestly he took defense off last season.

The kid has realistic goals tbh and im sure he has more gaudy expectations but kept those to heart. 3rd-4th year is when guys emerge as all stars.

[Hroz]

Needs to prove his defence.

To be honest if he isn't scoring there's no reason for him to be out there.

He's a plus defender by pretty much any metric.

Hey, don't be bringing up facts to prove his incorrect opinions. That's not what we do around here. Have you seen Prokorov posting in here?

I mean no he isn't
Here's some actual information.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.12up.com/posts/6258288-jayson-tatum-s-defense-seems-to-be-killing-the-celtics

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

He's still getting paid like the third option, I don't see it in this situation. He's still got two people in front, unless the Celtics just plan to eat Hayward's contract.

[Hroz]

didnt take long for the defense remarks. When have casuals started demanding defense? the top 5 players in the world dont play defense unless you got kawhi in there and honestly he took defense off last season.

The kid has realistic goals tbh and im sure he has more gaudy expectations but kept those to heart. 3rd-4th year is when guys emerge as all stars.

My top 4 when healthy is
1-4
Kawhi KD Giannis Embiid

All ace defenders.
You still need good defence to win 'ships

Only bad GMs haven't wised up to that yet.

[Darth Celtic]

He's a plus defender by pretty much any metric.

Hey, don't be bringing up facts to prove his incorrect opinions. That's not what we do around here. Have you seen Prokorov posting in here?

I mean no he isn't
Here's some actual information.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.12up.com/posts/6258288-jayson-tatum-s-defense-seems-to-be-killing-the-celtics

So, that's your supporting info. An article that only posts 2 stats that are not individual, but team driven. Like usually when he was on the court, so was Kyrie. Could have something to do with it. Baynes also had some of the best defensive numbers off the bench for the Celtics as well, and rarely played at the same time as Tatum.

Find better stats and watch the games.

[Hroz]

Hey, don't be bringing up facts to prove his incorrect opinions. That's not what we do around here. Have you seen Prokorov posting in here?

I mean no he isn't
Here's some actual information.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.12up.com/posts/6258288-jayson-tatum-s-defense-seems-to-be-killing-the-celtics

So, that's your supporting info. An article that only posts 2 stats that are not individual, but team driven. Like usually when he was on the court, so was Kyrie. Could have something to do with it. Baynes also had some of the best defensive numbers off the bench for the Celtics as well, and rarely played at the same time as Tatum.

Find better stats and watch the games.

Baynes is a good no nonsense defender. Don't be ridiculous.

Please pull-up some stats. Fact remains Tatum is good at closing on a defender but not great in other aspects.

[Feed Your Head]

I mean no he isn't
Here's some actual information.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.12up.com/posts/6258288-jayson-tatum-s-defense-seems-to-be-killing-the-celtics

So, that's your supporting info. An article that only posts 2 stats that are not individual, but team driven. Like usually when he was on the court, so was Kyrie. Could have something to do with it. Baynes also had some of the best defensive numbers off the bench for the Celtics as well, and rarely played at the same time as Tatum.

Find better stats and watch the games.

Baynes is a good no nonsense defender. Don't be ridiculous.

Please pull-up some stats. Fact remains Tatum is good at closing on a defender but not great in other aspects.

Yeah that story was from December, for the season the team had pretty much the same defensive rating when he was on the court as off. He was 27th in the league in defensive win shares, and he had the 41st best defensive rating. He is a good defender, nothing wrong with being incorrect, it's okay.

His only problem on defense is defending 4s in the post, which is an issue if they plan on playing him there as much as I expect them to.

[Hroz]

So, that's your supporting info. An article that only posts 2 stats that are not individual, but team driven. Like usually when he was on the court, so was Kyrie. Could have something to do with it. Baynes also had some of the best defensive numbers off the bench for the Celtics as well, and rarely played at the same time as Tatum.

Find better stats and watch the games.

Baynes is a good no nonsense defender. Don't be ridiculous.

Please pull-up some stats. Fact remains Tatum is good at closing on a defender but not great in other aspects.

Yeah that story was from December, for the season the team had pretty much the same defensive rating when he was on the court as off. He was 27th in the league in defensive win shares, and he had the 41st best defensive rating. He is a good defender, nothing wrong with being incorrect, it's okay.

His only problem on defense is defending 4s in the post, which is an issue if they plan on playing him there as much as I expect them to.

Ah fair.

At the beginning of the season he was awful i maintain that.

But I'll be honest i wrote them off as contenders early and didn't watched them after early in the season. And i tend to only watch the rockets, contenders and weirdly the Kings this year.

I did think Tatum did a great job on Simmons last playoffs. But after Ben struggled again this season in the playoffs. I just wrote that off as a Ben being easy to plan against.

[MrPerfect1]

Tatum strikes me as a pretty low IQ Basketball player. We know about his 20 foot fadeaways, low assist numbers, etc.

Even this quote seems worrying. Most people when listing goals put them in order to importance. In the video he lists 20 ppg 1st, All Star 2nd, then making the Finals as the last thing he mentions.

Additionally, would be nice if his goals were more team oriented things such as improve playmaking, become a better rebounder, improve efficiency, etc.

Get ready to see a lot of Tatum chucking this year as he goes for his 20ppg goal

If you knew anything about his game wouldn't tell him to improve his playmaking or rebounding lol. How do you call a pro a low IQ player and make these stupid suggestions lol.

Let's see. Tatum so far averages 1.9 assists/game for his career!! Wow that is amazing. I can clearly see why that wouldn't need to improve! His rebounding is decent at 6, but that is for a Bottom 10 rebounding team where it is easier to get rebounds not being on a team with great other rebounders

I can clearly see why Tatum would only need to improve his scoring! LOL

[Feed Your Head]

Baynes is a good no nonsense defender. Don't be ridiculous.

Please pull-up some stats. Fact remains Tatum is good at closing on a defender but not great in other aspects.

Yeah that story was from December, for the season the team had pretty much the same defensive rating when he was on the court as off. He was 27th in the league in defensive win shares, and he had the 41st best defensive rating. He is a good defender, nothing wrong with being incorrect, it's okay.

His only problem on defense is defending 4s in the post, which is an issue if they plan on playing him there as much as I expect them to.

Ah fair.

At the beginning of the season he was awful i maintain that.

But I'll be honest i wrote them off as contenders early and didn't watched them after early in the season. And i tend to only watch the rockets, contenders and weirdly the Kings this year.

I did think Tatum did a great job on Simmons last playoffs. But after Ben struggled again this season in the playoffs. I just wrote that off as a Ben being easy to plan against.

All good sir, i think he just has the reputation as a guy who scores and does nothing else. His shot selection struggled last year, but he continues to improve as a defender and his assists per 36 went up something like 30%.

He did take a step back last year, but it wasn't the massive one people keep spouting off incorrectly. Also, I'm with you on the Kings, awesome team to watch.

[kuclas]

To be honest, Tatum is looking like Joe Johnson, gonna to be a very good player, maybe someone gives him Joe Johnson money as well. I could see him as a top 20 NBA player. Thus he's gonna to be an all star like Joe Johnson. Just don't see him in that elite top 5 player category. Who knows he could prove us wrong and become a force

[dho4ever]

Tatum strikes me as a pretty low IQ Basketball player. We know about his 20 foot fadeaways, low assist numbers, etc.

Even this quote seems worrying. Most people when listing goals put them in order to importance. In the video he lists 20 ppg 1st, All Star 2nd, then making the Finals as the last thing he mentions.

Additionally, would be nice if his goals were more team oriented things such as improve playmaking, become a better rebounder, improve efficiency, etc.

Get ready to see a lot of Tatum chucking this year as he goes for his 20ppg goal

Kinda reaching there with the "people listing goals in importance..." thing. Not saying its completely false, but that's really weird criticism.

Also, he led his teams in rebounding.

[Steven1562]

Everyone was ready to crown him the next one after he dunked on Lebron. Might have gotten to his head a little bit. Especially after training with Kobe. Last season he was chucking it up big time. Trying to be a superhero. Needs to get back to basics and involve your teammates. I don't doubt the talent but the mindset must change.

[robbie84]

What else is he supposed to say, i'm going to average 10 points, the Celtics will not make the play offs and i'll have a 75 rating? Would that be the correct answer? Leave the kid alone, let him play the season and see what happens.

And yes of course the Celtics won't win the title this season, nobody with a brain would expect that. But a player has to say he wants to win it all otherwise people question his motor.

how about try and be humble and say you are just going to work hard and try to win as a team.

Taum/Brown/Rozier being ego maniacs and thinking they are great before proving anything was as big a problem as kyrie last year

Yes, all three of those guys leading them to the ECF in 2017 under Brad Stevens was the sign of team ego.

You are honestly one of the top 5 saltiest Celtics haters on Real GM. No matter the topic, you hate.

Danny Ainge left a bitter taste in your mouth after the KG/Pierce trade huh?

It's about to get waaaaayyy saltier now that you've added Kyrie.