Mavs looking legit

[SF_Warriors]

Or maybe the Mavs are overrated. Outside of KP and Luka they are underwhelming to me. Conversely the knicks depth is underrated.

Mavs bench was 3rd best in scoring before the game...so thats that regarding overrated...

Ok..so who's your 3rd scorer?
THJ?

Context is important here too..none of the other mavs starters aside from kp and luka average more than 30mpg..meaning there are more minutes available to be played by bench players and therefore higher production.

They do have some nice bench pieces like wright and kiebler..but their starting lineup outside of the top two is just very underwhelming atm

[HotRocks34]

Porzingis out tonight for load management (first Mavs back to back).

If he's going to sit out 14 games or so in these situations, that could be the difference between making the playoffs and not making them.

As others have said, the Mavs aren't going far in the 2020 playoffs even if they get there. So maybe it isn't a very big deal if they make them or not.

[HotRocks34]

Also whoever said that the Mavs have rebounding issues, I agree. They give up terrible offensive rebounds to their opponents at the worst times. Happened several times last night against the Knicks.

[bran muffin]

Mavs were a lottery team at the end of last season. And over the summer, they...

• Failed to retain the lottery pick they tanked for.

• Failed to sign a starting caliber player in free agency.

• Failed to take advantage of the $40M of cap space they had available.

• Failed to fully utilize the TPE they had available.

• Failed to trade THJ and Courtney Lee like they planned.

• Failed in their pitiful attempts to grab low-hanging fruits like Dragic and Olynyk.

The summer was an unmitigated disaster. Their prized acquisition was a career backup point guard. For all intents and purposes, they brought back the same team they tanked with last season. Plus KP.

The roster is just Luka, KP and a whole lot of nobodies. Rick Carlisle will have these nobodies play better than they really are, because that's what Rick does. And at times the Mavs may fool people into thinking they're legit. But never forget that this is a horrible roster to begin with.

[Wagonband]

The Mavs are a borderline playoff team.

But the moving of the bar for Doncic has gone out of control completly on this forum. On every thread that's even remotely about him it comes up.

Can you imagine cherry picking what a 20y old averaging 30/10/10 is doing wrong? Have you guys completely lost it? Sure he has high TO's. Sure. Does he sometimes have bad shot selection? Sure. Is he a bad defender? Sure. But he is currently a 30/10/10 guy. That's a 30 point triple double average. It's been done what, twice in the entire history of the NBA? That means across all eras, the run and gun 80s as well as the slow 2000's.

If Zion would average these numbers people would lose their minds on how perfect he is. Luka was projected by most of the people on this forum to being a bust that won't be able to crack an NBA rotation. His best case scenario being a Joe Ingles level player. Or super best case a Hayward type. And he has demolished these expectations in his rookie year.

Just to finish up on the Mavs. They had an atrocious summer. I really was thinking they would get a clear no.3 guy. The only way i can make sense of this is that they plan on giving Luka and Kristaps a year to figure it out and grow together, and then go for the all the marbles next year with going all-in on a 3rd star and going over the cap if it works out this year.

[Stannis]

It feels great playing against a guy like Tim Hardaway Jr., tbh

It's great not having DSJ as your future PG.

It feels good not having DSJ and Julius Randle as the future of your franchise. It also feels good not have Dolan running my favorite team.


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No denying Mavs are in a better position. But you wont understand having THjr for all those years and finally having him on the other team for once

Btw, Dennis is our 3rd stringer

[Mr B]

Let's not discuss the Mavs vs. Knicks, this thread isn't about the Knicks.

The Mavs may get into the playoffs, but they'll need significant improvements to become a consistent playoff team. Whether that happens from within due to players' growth or through rosters changes remains to be seen.

This team reminds me of the ‘00-‘01 Mavs that was super young and snuck into the playoffs and actually ended up beating the Jazz in the 1st round. Not in their style of play but they could be in similar situations by the end of the year. Everyone knew that team wasn’t going deep in the playoffs and that it wasn’t done being constructed. The key guys though got a taste of the playoffs which was great for their development. I could see the same thing happening to this team this year.


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[LukaV]

Let's not discuss the Mavs vs. Knicks, this thread isn't about the Knicks.

The Mavs may get into the playoffs, but they'll need significant improvements to become a consistent playoff team. Whether that happens from within due to players' growth or through rosters changes remains to be seen.

This team reminds me of the ‘00-‘01 Mavs that was super young and snuck into the playoffs and actually ended up beating the Jazz in the 1st round. Not in their style of play but they could be in similar situations by the end of the year. Everyone knew that team wasn’t going deep in the playoffs and that it wasn’t done being constructed. The key guys though got a taste of the playoffs which was great for their development. I could see the same thing happening to this team this year.

Good point. Yes, it'd be great if they snuck into the playoffs and it'd be great for their development, they might even to some damage there if Luka and KP played really well and at least some of the rest caught fire at the right time. But last night's loss against the Knicks, without Robinson and with a bad start to the season, really spoiled my day. If the Mavs want to get into the playoffs this year, they must win such games, especially as long as all the main guys are healthy. It was inexcusable yesterday and it wouldn't be the first time one win/loss made the difference between the playoffs or the lottery

[SF_Warriors]

The Mavs are a borderline playoff team.

But the moving of the bar for Doncic has gone out of control completly on this forum. On every thread that's even remotely about him it comes up.

Can you imagine cherry picking what a 20y old averaging 30/10/10 is doing wrong? Have you guys completely lost it? Sure he has high TO's. Sure. Does he sometimes have bad shot selection? Sure. Is he a bad defender? Sure. But he is currently a 30/10/10 guy. That's a 30 point triple double average. It's been done what, twice in the entire history of the NBA? That means across all eras, the run and gun 80s as well as the slow 2000's.

If Zion would average these numbers people would lose their minds on how perfect he is. Luka was projected by most of the people on this forum to being a bust that won't be able to crack an NBA rotation. His best case scenario being a Joe Ingles level player. Or super best case a Hayward type. And he has demolished these expectations in his rookie year.

Just to finish up on the Mavs. They had an atrocious summer. I really was thinking they would get a clear no.3 guy. The only way i can make sense of this is that they plan on giving Luka and Kristaps a year to figure it out and grow together, and then go for the all the marbles next year with going all-in on a 3rd star and going over the cap if it works out this year.

It can be argued that luka is having as good of a season thus far as any of the best players. That is pretty hard for people to fathom saying that about a 20 yr old.

There will always be criticisms for even the best players so I wouldnt expect doncic to receive any different.

[minami]

I didn´t see any game from them together yet, and after watching their pic at nba.com I am just curious about the actual chemistry between LD and KP both in and off-court. It is still too soon but what are your impressions so far? Does Luka seem to be ok with KP´s arrival? Do you see it working in the future?

[Perseus1966]

too early but as i said they play much better with Luka on the bench 21-4 run

[PhilBlackson]

They coulda been a very good team had they snagged Brogdon and Horford as I had hoped for them.

Really it's those 3+D type of players they need between them as a duo and they'll be legit.

[jourdy]

too early but as i said they play much better with Luka on the bench 21-4 run

The bench is hot tonight.
TIMMAY H J doing work!

It's during the times when the shots aren't falling where the Mavs are doomed because no one can create.

[Archx]

too early but as i said they play much better with Luka on the bench 21-4 run

Yea or maybe because MEM stopped hitting every damn shot? Where was this bench vs Knicks?

[Swish1906]

And of course the entire bench is showing up tonight...lol. Just one damn player yesterday showing up and they beat the Knicks

[Perseus1966]

too early but as i said they play much better with Luka on the bench 21-4 run

Yea or maybe because MEM stopped hitting every damn shot? Where was this bench vs Knicks?

i watch this game i make comments for this game ,havent you notice how stagnant is offence now and i see he constantly change player in defense usually he stays on the paint and guard the player who is in the paint

[Archx]

too early but as i said they play much better with Luka on the bench 21-4 run

Yea or maybe because MEM stopped hitting every damn shot? Where was this bench vs Knicks?

i watch this game i make comments for this game ,havent you notice how stagnant is offence now and i see he constantly change player in defense usually he stays on the paint and guard the player who is in the paint

Offense became stagnant after Curry decided to take over and botched up play after play, then MEM closed back. Luka was angry at Curry at some point for waving off set plays. If you're watching, how you miss these things then?

[Perseus1966]

offence became stagnant right after Luka played again,the two last posesions were Seth fault?

[Mr B]

offence became stagnant right after Luka played again,the two last posesions were Seth fault?

Are you really judging Luka possession by possession to try and prove that Luka sucks? Just get used to the fact that the Luka is really the best young prospect since Antonio Davis.


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[NY 567]

Imagine trying to downplay how good Doncic is at this point.