Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

[Xpressure]

Wow, something so simple could've saved more lives.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/coronavirus-prone-positioning/index.html

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[dhsilv2]

I'm not getting this thread locked for being political, try google again. Try Linda Mcmahon donation.

And no, the entire point is to try to limit people getting sick.

Limiting people getting sick? No, it's the spread out sickness over a longer time horizon to allowed medical staff to better support it and to avoid AT RISK people from getting it until hurt immunity or a vaccine. No where in this is it about avoiding it all together.

If you're discussing her connections with the administration, everyone knows about that...might as well say the sky is blue. Hardly news.

You're right, letting them infect people so we can have wwe and make Vince money is exactly what we need in a pandemic.

Was just thinking next time I'm hungry I'll watch wrestling, that'll help.

Edit: Alright I'm out. If you all want to argue wrestling is essential for for it. This is why this thing won't go away, we have the attention span of a five year old and think we "need" everything.

The question was to ask when and where we set the line for what is and isn't essential and how we reopen things. This isn't about the WWE but about entertainment and the role it plays in people's health and well being. The WWE might as well be the SJDKLFKSDFJ run by magic fairies who can do nothing but good and cannot profit off anything, as it's more the idea of essential. A lot of what is being done today isn't actually essential. We don't need liquor stores open for example. High end groceries aren't needed. Nor would factory workers making coloring for packaging. But they're all open if they so choose. All far more risk and likely to cause spread than weekly small gatherings for the WWE where outside of the ring social distancing can be enforced in ways it can't be done in a factory or in a lot of these small store environments.

[Nuntius]

An update from Greece:

Things have been going relatively well in here. I thought that we were a couple of days late to implement our measures but it doesn't look like this delay has been catastrophic so far. We have 2,107 confirmed cases so far and 101 deaths. 269 people have recovered. We have 1,800 active cases, 76 of whom are in critical condition. Our cases per 1 million are 208 while our deaths per 1 million are 10 (the world average right now is 252 cases per 1 million and 15.8 deaths per 1 million so we're comfortably below both averages). We have conducted 48,798 deaths so far which amount to 4,682 tests per 1 million. The number of tests is obviously not as high as it should be but given the state of our economy even before the virus hit, it doesn't really shock me. We are currently only testing those in hospitals and those that live around people who have tested positive. We haven't gotten to the mass-scale testing stage yet and I don't think that we'll ever reach that stage.

This week is massively important, in my opinion. Greece is a very religious country and we have just entered Holy Week. Easter is in exactly 5 days. Most people congregate in churches to receive the holy light the night before Easter (Saturday night). In Sunday, most people gather along with family, feasting on lamb and goat. Most Greeks also generally leave their homes in the big cities during the holidays and visit the birthplaces of their ancestors in the countryside. The public has heeded the call of the government and the scientists that are urging us to stay home so far. But Easter is a big deal for a large amount of our population. Will we heed the call once more and celebrate Easter a bit differently this year? I certainly hope so. That's what I'll be doing with my family (not eating lamb is a plus for me) and I hope that others do it as well.

In the meantime, we have the Guardian writing very positive articles about the situation in our country:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/14/how-greece-is-beating-coronavirus-despite-a-decade-of-debt

[bondom34]

Limiting people getting sick? No, it's the spread out sickness over a longer time horizon to allowed medical staff to better support it and to avoid AT RISK people from getting it until hurt immunity or a vaccine. No where in this is it about avoiding it all together.

If you're discussing her connections with the administration, everyone knows about that...might as well say the sky is blue. Hardly news.

You're right, letting them infect people so we can have wwe and make Vince money is exactly what we need in a pandemic.

Was just thinking next time I'm hungry I'll watch wrestling, that'll help.

Edit: Alright I'm out. If you all want to argue wrestling is essential for for it. This is why this thing won't go away, we have the attention span of a five year old and think we "need" everything.

The question was to ask when and where we set the line for what is and isn't essential and how we reopen things. This isn't about the WWE but about entertainment and the role it plays in people's health and well being. The WWE might as well be the SJDKLFKSDFJ run by magic fairies who can do nothing but good and cannot profit off anything, as it's more the idea of essential. A lot of what is being done today isn't actually essential. We don't need liquor stores open for example. High end groceries aren't needed. Nor would factory workers making coloring for packaging. But they're all open if they so choose. All far more risk and likely to cause spread than weekly small gatherings for the WWE where outside of the ring social distancing can be enforced in ways it can't be done in a factory or in a lot of these small store environments.

It literally was a post about WWE. Groceries are needed because you need food. Food is needed for life. WWE is not . Hence one is essential. Saying entertainment is needed is frankly a joke and why this thing could be worse than it needs to be.

[Nuntius]

You're right, letting them infect people so we can have wwe and make Vince money is exactly what we need in a pandemic.

Was just thinking next time I'm hungry I'll watch wrestling, that'll help.

Edit: Alright I'm out. If you all want to argue wrestling is essential for for it. This is why this thing won't go away, we have the attention span of a five year old and think we "need" everything.

The question was to ask when and where we set the line for what is and isn't essential and how we reopen things. This isn't about the WWE but about entertainment and the role it plays in people's health and well being. The WWE might as well be the SJDKLFKSDFJ run by magic fairies who can do nothing but good and cannot profit off anything, as it's more the idea of essential. A lot of what is being done today isn't actually essential. We don't need liquor stores open for example. High end groceries aren't needed. Nor would factory workers making coloring for packaging. But they're all open if they so choose. All far more risk and likely to cause spread than weekly small gatherings for the WWE where outside of the ring social distancing can be enforced in ways it can't be done in a factory or in a lot of these small store environments.

It literally was a post about WWE. Groceries are needed because you need food. Food is needed for life. WWE is not . Hence one is essential. Saying entertainment is needed is frankly a joke and why this thing could be worse than it needs to be.

Entertainment is essential but it doesn't actually require you to go out. Catching up on a TV series or watching one you haven't seen before is entertainment. Discovering new music is entertainment. Watching a movie you haven't seen before is entertainment. Heck, even when it comes to sports, watching a competition that you haven't seen before (even if you're not watching the live games and you watch replays) is entertainment.

Ever wonder how the Domantas Sabonis + Myles Turner combination is working for Indiana? You can watch Indiana Pacer games on replay. That's also entertainment.

By no means should people be miserable, bored and depressed because they have nothing to do right now. Keeping ourselves in high spirits is important right now because we need to be in a good place mentally to go through this. But entertainment isn't just something that is happening right now. Entertainment can also be something that happened a while ago but we haven't seen before. We can use this time as an opportunity to broaden our horizons.

[dhsilv2]

It literally was a post about WWE. Groceries are needed because you need food. Food is needed for life. WWE is not . Hence one is essential. Saying entertainment is needed is frankly a joke and why this thing could be worse than it needs to be.

Got it caviar and macallan 25 are essential. Good to know...

[bondom34]

It literally was a post about WWE. Groceries are needed because you need food. Food is needed for life. WWE is not . Hence one is essential. Saying entertainment is needed is frankly a joke and why this thing could be worse than it needs to be.

Got it caviar and macallan 25 are essential. Good to know...

If you'd like to shut down a store that sells only those things go for it. But I don't know the last time I've driven by a caviar store, because I never have.

You're not going to shut down 3 aisles in a grocery store. FFS man your entire premise started that WWE was essential and you've gone to this. I mean it's common sense.

[dhsilv2]

It literally was a post about WWE. Groceries are needed because you need food. Food is needed for life. WWE is not . Hence one is essential. Saying entertainment is needed is frankly a joke and why this thing could be worse than it needs to be.

Got it caviar and macallan 25 are essential. Good to know...

If you'd like to shut down a store that sells only those things go for it. But I don't know the last time I've driven by a caviar store, because I never have.

You're not going to shut down 3 aisles in a grocery store. FFS man your entire premise started that WWE was essential and you've gone to this. I mean it's common sense.

I never said the WWE was essential.I asked what defines essential using the WWE which has been a source of some level of normalcy for many people during this as an example. I then brought up things like assuring kraft macaroni can keep getting their blue dye for their box because heaven forbid consumers get confused by the product on the shelf and then I brought up that things like high end groceries that sell high end specialty products and liquor stores are both open and essential in most markets.

Instead of engaging in a topic that I think would be interesting as what is essential is different in each state and in every country, you've turned this into who's profiting off the WWE as if the WWE specifically was ever important in the discussion. At some point mental health does matter and entertainment is a part of protecting society's mental health, if that's WWE or not is really non consequential.

[bondom34]

Got it caviar and macallan 25 are essential. Good to know...

If you'd like to shut down a store that sells only those things go for it. But I don't know the last time I've driven by a caviar store, because I never have.

You're not going to shut down 3 aisles in a grocery store. FFS man your entire premise started that WWE was essential and you've gone to this. I mean it's common sense.

I never said the WWE was essential.I asked what defines essential using the WWE which has been a source of some level of normalcy for many people during this as an example. I then brought up things like assuring kraft macaroni can keep getting their blue dye for their box because heaven forbid consumers get confused by the product on the shelf and then I brought up that things like high end groceries that sell high end specialty products and liquor stores are both open and essential in most markets.

Instead of engaging in a topic that I think would be interesting as what is essential is different in each state and in every country, you've turned this into who's profiting off the WWE as if the WWE specifically was ever important in the discussion. At some point mental health does matter and entertainment is a part of protecting society's mental health, if that's WWE or not is really non consequential.

Literally you 2 pages ago:

It's not essential? And one of them already tested positive. In what world is WWE essential.

I'm even a fan but there's no real way to argue its an essential business.

Just to play devils advocate as I don't think I believe this. Is having entertainment that keeps people happy and more at peace while staying at home not a pretty valuable service? My company makes inks and pigments that go into all kinds of manufactured goods. We're essential...does it really matter if your box of kraft mac and cheese be the normal color blue right now?

There are other ways to entertain yourself. This isn't complicated. Frankly if people think this this is a bigger issue in why and how this thing gets worse. "Hey I need entertainment, I need X".

No, no you don't. Watch a replay on TV. Spend time with family in your house. Take a walk, bike, lift weights, whatever. Life existed before WWE too.

[Zenzibar]

Mutherfukers check this out and stay distanced, fk these politicians and pastors that say otherwise:

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[NBAFan93]

Wow, something so simple could've saved more lives.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/coronavirus-prone-positioning/index.html

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Some of these articles are giving me the impression that medical doctors are trying to figure things out on the fly and don’t know what they are doing as they treat these patients. Really scary **** honestly.

Saw a stat that 80% of patients put on ventilators for COVID-19 eventually die - followed up later w/ article “are doctors using ventilators wrong?” - goodness gracious.

[lambchop]

Wow, something so simple could've saved more lives.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/coronavirus-prone-positioning/index.html

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Some of these articles are giving me the impression that medical doctors are trying to figure things out on the fly and don’t know what they are doing as they treat these patients. Really scary **** honestly.

Saw a stat that 80% of patients put on ventilators for COVID-19 eventually die - followed up later w/ article “are doctors using ventilators wrong?” - goodness gracious.

Somehow people believe that doctors are experts at what they do, when that's simply not true. Countless people get bad advice, unnecessary surgeries, necessary surgeries denied etc. because doctors can't diagnose properly.

That said, I'm not even hating on doctors because at the end of the day most people don't do their job well, it's just that it can be more frustrating due to the expectations regarding doctors.

[basketballRob]

Regarding the 1,200 stimulus check... my wife explained to me today that this is merely an advancement of next years tax return and not really string-free money. Meaning on next years tax return you would get 1,200 less (or have to pay 1,200 more), example being if you were otherwise supposed to get 1,500 you would only get 300. Is this true?

I doubt it, its tax free money right?

It's tax free.

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[SF_Warriors]

Entertainment, what's so essential about a one hour program that runs once or twice a week? Are you telling me there isn't a plethora of existing options for people to entertain themselves? Because there obviously is.. Let me repeat, there are people that are arguing a one to two hour weekly television program is essential.

Restaurants: They help spread out the amount of people buying food at grocery stores. Also, if no restaurants were open, how would that affect people that can't cook (with disabilities, or elderly) or might not have time to buy food or cook (such as some healthcare workers today, the absolute most essential people at this time)?

If there were no restaurants doing takeout, more people would have to go grocery shopping and more often, further saturating the lines and amount of people we see today at stores.

[basketballRob]

They overreact with people potentially catching the virus at an outdoor sporting event or any activity outdoors. The issue is indoor places where fresh air doesn't come in and the bad air can't escape. I can understand being at an indoor basketball or an indoor hockey game when your indoors. But Football, baseball, golf and tennis are played outdoors where fresh air is always available and any bad air goes up into the sky away from people possibly being infected. The only indoor area at an outdoor sporting event is the restrooms but we can still social distance in the restrooms if need be.

But we do need to get the economy/country back up and try to get as many things back to normal. Things like dining in at a restaurant that should come back right now. But large gatherings shouldn't comeback yet. I think Gym's can re-open like LA fitness that I go to. It would be great to get LA fitness back and compete with people on the basketball court. I need to get back LA fitness, bodysurfing, dining in at restaurant, sporting events.

u do understand that they refer to Italy's soccer game as the impetus that made their caseload explode, right? if u want to go hit the courts with 9 others then go do u, man. nothings stopping u.

Florida may end up leading the charge in re-opening things, so he may be in luck to have more to do.

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I could see him getting interviewed by MSNBC tonight

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[hippesthippo]

It depends on what the goal is.

If the goal is to "flatten the curve" to prevent local hospital resources from being overwhelmed, then this can be solved simply by increasing hospital resources in areas with high rates of infection. Hence, those who need hospitalization and intensive care can receive it without impediment.

If the goal is to prevent the majority of people from getting infected in the first place, then yes, you'd have to maintain measures for social distancing until there is an effective treatment. This could be a year or more away.

Originally, the goal was just to flatten the curve in order to prevent hospitals from being overrun with patients.

Flattening the curve may be the goal on a national level, but my goal is making sure my loved ones and I stay alive. I think this is a common sentiment. Thankfully, they mostly coincide with each other.

If you're serious about protecting your family and taking measures to prevent them from being exposed to this and similar viruses, you might consider moving out of a densely populated urban area.

Example:

Number of people hospitalized for Covid19 in Utah: 200 (state population 3.1 million)
Cases per 1 million population: 70

Number of people hospitalized for Covid19 in Montana: 21 (state population 1.1 million)
Cases per 1 million population: 20

Number of people hospitalized for Covid19 in New York: 19,000 (state population 19.4 million)
Cases per 1 million population: 980

In other words, for every confirmed case of covid in Utah per 1 million population, there are 14 cases in New York--the infection rate is currently 14x higher in New York. There are also a lot of other cases that have not be confirmed.

In addition to population density, there are other factors such as international travel from high-risk areas like China and India that increase risk to urban areas.

Otherwise, I think the CDC and NIH have already conceded that the majority of the population will be exposed to the virus within the next 12 - 18 months, that roughly 8% or 9% of cases will require hospitalization, that 9% or 10% of those cases that require hospitalization will pass away, and that ~80% of fatalities will be borne by people with pre-existing risk factors such as advanced age and obesity/diabetes.

I expect that each industry will resume business, one by one, with semi-permanent measures in place to promote social distancing. There's going to be a huge emphasis on telecommuting and wearing masks in public, but it isn't clear what other precautions exist.

First of all, it's too late for that. Secondly, my career doesn't easily allow for it.

[hippesthippo]

Wow, something so simple could've saved more lives.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/coronavirus-prone-positioning/index.html

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Some of these articles are giving me the impression that medical doctors are trying to figure things out on the fly and don’t know what they are doing as they treat these patients. Really scary **** honestly.

Saw a stat that 80% of patients put on ventilators for COVID-19 eventually die - followed up later w/ article “are doctors using ventilators wrong?” - goodness gracious.

That's because Dr.'s are figuring it out on the fly. That's what makes it a "novel," virus; it is completely new to us.

Also, specialized Dr.'s are required to put patients on ventilators. Hospitals have never had to put this many patients on ventilators before.

[nikster]

Wow, something so simple could've saved more lives.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/coronavirus-prone-positioning/index.html

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Some of these articles are giving me the impression that medical doctors are trying to figure things out on the fly and don’t know what they are doing as they treat these patients. Really scary **** honestly.

Saw a stat that 80% of patients put on ventilators for COVID-19 eventually die - followed up later w/ article “are doctors using ventilators wrong?” - goodness gracious.

this article at least, about proning patients, is not a new practice for ventilated patients. If players arent responding to ventilation for various reasons they will often prone them and hope for better results. i didnt think this was new, i thought there were reports about potential beneefits of proning in covid coming from italy like a month ago.

But yes there is a lot the medical community is learning on the fly with COVID

[nikster]

Wow, something so simple could've saved more lives.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/coronavirus-prone-positioning/index.html

Read on Twitter

Some of these articles are giving me the impression that medical doctors are trying to figure things out on the fly and don’t know what they are doing as they treat these patients. Really scary **** honestly.

Saw a stat that 80% of patients put on ventilators for COVID-19 eventually die - followed up later w/ article “are doctors using ventilators wrong?” - goodness gracious.

Somehow people believe that doctors are experts at what they do, when that's simply not true. Countless people get bad advice, unnecessary surgeries, necessary surgeries denied etc. because doctors can't diagnose properly.

That said, I'm not even hating on doctors because at the end of the day most people don't do their job well, it's just that it can be more frustrating due to the expectations regarding doctors.

doctors are literally experts at what they do. Sure there is variation in results, just like experts in every other field

[Cactus Jack]

They overreact with people potentially catching the virus at an outdoor sporting event or any activity outdoors. The issue is indoor places where fresh air doesn't come in and the bad air can't escape. I can understand being at an indoor basketball or an indoor hockey game when your indoors. But Football, baseball, golf and tennis are played outdoors where fresh air is always available and any bad air goes up into the sky away from people possibly being infected. The only indoor area at an outdoor sporting event is the restrooms but we can still social distance in the restrooms if need be.

But we do need to get the economy/country back up and try to get as many things back to normal. Things like dining in at a restaurant that should come back right now. But large gatherings shouldn't comeback yet. I think Gym's can re-open like LA fitness that I go to. It would be great to get LA fitness back and compete with people on the basketball court. I need to get back LA fitness, bodysurfing, dining in at restaurant, sporting events.

Really really bad idea. Gyms are nothing but cesspools. You can always get exercise from home or you know...going outdoors.

Gyms like L.A. Fitness are giant scams & should be shutdown permanently.

Want some exercise? Use this time instead to go outside & soak up the sun. Enjoy nature. You'll thank me.