Joel Embiid: “We got rid of Jimmy, just to make sure he needed the ball in his hands”

[FrodoFraggins]

Ben just feels the Sixers have peaked, Do you blame him?

If you can't get it done with Jimmy Butler on ur team how is this team now going to fair better going into the future?

I think having one of the most incompetent coaches at the time was a big reason ...

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Ben just feels the Sixers have peaked, Do you blame him?

If you can't get it done with Jimmy Butler on ur team how is this team now going to fair better going into the future?

I think having one of the most incompetent coaches at the time was a big reason ...

and then they got another incompetent coach. can you blame him?

[ropjhk]

The Jimmy Butler interview with JJ doesn't settle anything. The words he used are vague enough to be interpreted in different ways. He says he didn't return because they wanted to control him... what exactly does that mean? In what way did they want to control him? For what reason? Could it have been related to Simmons?

If the 76ers wanted to control how Jimmy played the game in order to please Simmons then Embiid's comments are effectively true.

It all depends on how the 76ers wanted to control Butler and for what reasons. That wasn't revealed in the interview.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Sixers didn't get rid of Jimmy.

Jimmy left.

Brodie, the org got rid of anything and everything that made sense by keeping Ben Simmons, period.

Jimmy is the only player we should have kept and we compounded the error by signing Tobias

Harris’ contract was a monumental blunder

Harris trade didn't make sense if the first place. Way too much money for a 4th option.

Should have just kept Mikail Bridges and Dario.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The Jimmy Butler interview with JJ doesn't settle anything. The words he used are vague enough to be interpreted in different ways. He says he didn't return because they wanted to control him... what exactly does that mean? In what way did they want to control him? For what reason? Could it have been related to Simmons?

If the 76ers wanted to control how Jimmy played the game in order to please Simmons then Embiid's comments are effectively true.

It all depends on how the 76ers wanted to control Butler and for what reasons. That wasn't revealed in the interview.

I don't buy it.

Jimmy didn't come back because they didn't want to pay him. They thought it made more sense to go for Horford and Harris.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Jimmy Butler had a worse playoff performance than Ben Simmons.

14 points on 16 shots!! A whopping 29% from the field and a +/- of negative 21.5 points per GAME in a sweep.

If you think Simmons was bad, that might be the worst playoff performance ever that no one is talking about.

But it’s Jimmy Butler, the guy who gets a pass for every playoff failure.

LOL. He also took the Heat to the Finals and put up 40 against LeBron.

Something Simmons could never even dream of doing.

It was a great finals showing by Jimmy! I never said anything to the contrary.

I’m specifically talking about last post season which was a complete and utter failure. Any other “star” player gets run across the coals for that performance yet it’s swept under the rug.

Also Simmons has just turned 25, he’s got plenty of time to reach the finals. He’s achieved more in his first 3 seasons than Jimmy.

Idk most people give him a pass on that one.

The team was playing so soon after the Finals and was ravaged by COVID. No coincidence that the Lakers/Nuggets/Celtics also collapsed.

He was also dealing with injury issues.

He's had enough of a record of playing well in the playoffs when it matters. Simmons has never been close to that good.

He does have time but hes shown no ability to improve his offensive game. Why should anyone believe he can?

[Scalabrine]

Welp, apparently coddling season is over.

As it should be. Embiid and his teammates shouldn't have to be answering these questions while they are preparing to open up the season in 2 weeks. It's insane and I would be pissed too!

[basketballRob]

76ers should let him sit out the year with no pay. They could probably petition to void his contract. That way he could sign wherever he wants for the vet minimum.

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[Jables]

Embiid is kinda full of it here tbh, Jimmy was clearly leaving and it had little to do with Ben out of Jimmy's own mouth, and Embiid mentioned getting Al Horford to cover for Ben when it was obviously because of Embiids injuries, Horford was obviously a terrible fit with Ben.

[CraftylikeaFox]

More like lack of vision on the NBA's part. What Hinkie tried to do was way more beneficial to both the league and the 76ers long term success. Philly is a large market that may as well have been a small market. They had bad attendance, no interest in their televised games, no stars lining up to play there, etc. The Process revitalized the city's interest in the team and put them back on the national radar, up there with other marquee teams. There is no doubt that the league is making tremendously more off the 76ers now than they were pre-Process. Making a non-relevant team into a relevant and lucrative one will always be of the leagues top interest, especially one with a market like Philly.

The league shares revenue, he was bleeding money. Other teams complained because he was costing them money. The league agreed.

He was making promises with no real plan or timeline. He wasn't even smart enough to save himself, I don't see why anybody puts faith in him. He had a nice slogan, other than that...he was a putz that lacked basic self preservation.

I'm not even sure you can attribute their success with his actions at this point. He only hit on Embiid, that's a horrible ratio.

The year before Hinkie took over the 76ers were the 22nd most valuable NBA team. Today they are the 11th. In the years before Hinkie took over, the 76ers averaged between 70 - 85% full arenas and fell toward the bottom in NBA attendance figures. They've been number 1 for a few years now and routinely fill up 100% of the arena every year. Before Hinkie the 76ers were usually 10th - 15th in terms of merch sales. This year they were 5th.

By every metric they are wildly more financially successful team now than they were pre-Hinkie and I don't think the reason for that is because of Jerry Colangelo or Elton Brand. Also, just want to throw this out there that I don't care about Hinkie either way. But it's hard to argue about where that team is now compared to where they used to be.

[brutalitops]

Welp, apparently coddling season is over.

As it should be. Embiid and his teammates shouldn't have to be answering these questions while they are preparing to open up the season in 2 weeks. It's insane and I would be pissed too!

Agree. Which is why Philly should of traded him before media day. 100% on the team

[axeman23]

Uh...thats not what happened.

Ahhh that is exactly what happened. Embiid is a liar. Jimmy even made it very clear he left and not the other way around on JJ Redicks podcast last year. I've lost all respect for Embiid... he knows the real reason why Butler left but used it as leverage to pour more media and fan hate on Simmons.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/jimmy-butler-brett-brown-sixers-heat-playoffs-jj-redick-podcast

".....it seemed like Butler didn’t like what was said to him when discussions of him returning to Philly occured.

A main reason I didn’t go back was because somebody asked, ‘Can you control him?’ Like, ‘Can you control Jimmy? Because if you can control Jimmy, we would think about having him back.’ I was like, you don’t got to worry about it. S---, ain’t nobody f---ing control me. For one, I ain’t just out there doing no bulls---, but the fact that you’re trying to control a grown man, … nah, I’m cool. Because I don’t do anything that’s just drastically f---ing stupidly crazy. I do not do that. So don’t come at me with the, ‘let me try and control him.’ You good. Don’t even worry about it. … If that’s what y’all are worried about, then good luck to y’all.”

Yeah, Jimmy is going to say "I'm in Miami because Sixers dont want me"

Poor coward Simmons

Or poor coward "grown man" Jimmy? But closer to the truth (I have no reason to dispute words straight from Jimmy's mouth...), poor coward Embiid, who lobs grenades to start, then gets offended enough when people lob them back to lie about past events which are on record from the person directly INVOLVED...

[symbiotic]

Just trust the process.

[austuf]

I don't get Jojo on this.

Is he saying that he doesn't want three point shooters on the team. That he doesn't need them but Ben does.

Is he saying that Ben had the ball in his hands too much. That he want's the ball in his own hands more.

I thought the whole game-plan was to iso Jojo on every play and if Jojo wasn't on the court iso Tobi.

How many shots doe's Jojo want.

I don't think 6's can win when Rivers, Jojo and Ben have the collective IQ of a Gnat.

[DroseReturnChi]

The Jimmy Butler interview with JJ doesn't settle anything. The words he used are vague enough to be interpreted in different ways. He says he didn't return because they wanted to control him... what exactly does that mean? In what way did they want to control him? For what reason? Could it have been related to Simmons?

If the 76ers wanted to control how Jimmy played the game in order to please Simmons then Embiid's comments are effectively true.

It all depends on how the 76ers wanted to control Butler and for what reasons. That wasn't revealed in the interview.

whether jimmy lied or not doesnt matter. joel should mind his own business bc thats the way jimmy wants to leave his finished business. why is joel representing jimmy and running his own version of story when jimmy clearly doesnt want it?

[DroseReturnChi]

Embiid is kinda full of it here tbh, Jimmy was clearly leaving and it had little to do with Ben out of Jimmy's own mouth, and Embiid mentioned getting Al Horford to cover for Ben when it was obviously because of Embiids injuries, Horford was obviously a terrible fit with Ben.

joels just an idiot using jimmy for his cause and make ben like a villain. no wonder jimmy and now ben got fed up with peaked philly and ran away. no star wants to play with him. i would be begging ben for forgiveness because he could be in lebrons cavs situation and retire ringless as random hof. honestly what kind of star other than ben lets joel take all the spotlight? ben is a generational talent in terms of low maintenance he is a model citizen for a star.

[Nites]

Jimmy tells you candidly why he left.. from his own mouth..

Watch on YouTube

The fact that people just think Embiid is spitting truth may be part of the reason Simmons wants to get out of there.

I think it's more along the lines that Embiid was told by management that they chose Ben over Jimmy, and that is why Jimmy left. Organizations often lie to their players about these kind of things to save face.

[Sharcm1]

Well after this comment by embid I don’t think Simmons will ever play again as a sixer lol

[Spens1]

Everyone in that organisation needs a gag order, they're making it worse and worse by the day. Its one thing when the fans are bashing Simmons and its another when people inside the organisation are not exactly getting behind their player but still expecting good trade value. The 76ers front office make this situation worse and worse for themselves by the day honestly, where they could have gotten probably an all star or a near all star in return now you're talking a package of role players probably.

[Tottery]

I'm guessing he wont just show up because he was thrown under the bus and is aware teammates/coach doesn't like him. It's a weird situation. That said, if there was a 1% chance he would come back, its gone now after Embiid's latest comments. Making a terrible situation worse.