[WOJ] Cleveland is acquiring Caris Levert in a trade for Ricky Rubio, '22 1st and 2 2nds

[sisibilio]

Well, it's a low risk move anyway. His contract expires in 2023, same as Love, so they maintain all the flexibility to make a big move before they sign Garland if the opportunity arises.

[B Mac]

I dont post often anymore, but reading through this thread made me realize there are an awful lot of misconceptions about the Cavs. It's likely not your fault since the Cavs dont get much national airtime, but I am aware that most people on this site are a bit more than casual NBA fans. Still as someone who watches every minute of every Cavs game, and often times watches each game twice, I thought it might be helpful to chime in.

-To start, as other Cavs fans have correctly called out, the biggest need for the team is a secondary ball handler. Since Rubio went down in early January, Garland's workload went through the roof. To his credit, he knocked it out of the park, which played a big part in his All Star selection and put him in the running for player of the month (props to Embiid who was well deserving). However, the toll that the heavy workload put on Garland was severe, and he has now missed multiple games to rest his injured back.

-Rubio allowed Garland to play off the ball and to take "breaks" while on the court in doing so. Again, to Garland's credit, his off ball spot shooting was what really made the two PG look work. A little known fact, is that Garland and Rubio were the best rated backcourt in the NBA up until Rubio's injury. They view LeVert as the guy who was most attainable and best suited to fill that role. Not that raw shooting percentage tells the whole story, but Rubio's .339 3 point percentage is one that LeVert has put up in multiple seasons and is certainly within reach as a lower priority offensive weapon for this team.

-The players being suggested (Covington, Powell, White, Beal, McCollum, etc..) didn't fit the need or weren't worth the price for a number of reasons. Keep in mind that a secondary ball handler was the TOP need, not someone who can knock down a three off of someone else's playmaking. Additionally, the Cavs are right up against the tax, and did not want to send any of their core players (Okoro, Sexton, Markkanan included) out in a deal. To put it bluntly, they didn't want the Convington/Powell duo over LeVert.

-I am completely stealing this next part from one of the top members on RealCavsFans as I simply cant say it any better then they did. Shout out to my fellow RCF brothers:

LeVert is a terrific pick and roll player, in the 82nd percentile as a PnR ball handler in about 8 PnRs per game. For reference, DG is in the 66th percentile in 8.2 PnRs per game and Rubio was in the 39th percentile in about 6 PnRs per game. For a team that gets into most of its sets using the high PnR, that is really intriguing to me. And we already know the comfort he has with Allen in the PnR game from their time together in Brooklyn.

He is an underrated catch and shoot player this year, something he doesn't do much since he is the primary ball-handler for Indy. Shoots 32.3% from 3 for the season this year, but that number jumps to 38.6% off catch and shoots. He only gets 1.8 3PA per game in that situation in Indy, but so far the Cavs have generated 2.9, 2.7, and 2.7 catch and shoot 3PAs per game for their high usage guards in Garland, Rubio, and Sexton respectively. Safe to say he will be given more opportunities to find himself in catch and shoot situations with Garland sharing the floor with him. For his career he is ~35% from 3 on catch and shoots.

-The Cavs have one of the easiest remaining schedules in the league. They are currently 1 game out of 1st in the East. They believe they will have one of the top records in the east, which should put them in top 4-5 records in the league. If many posters are going to call the Houston 2nd round pick "basically a first" shouldn't the Cavs 1st round pick also be called "basically a second" using the same logic? Or we can stop exaggerating to try to prove a point and call the deal what it was. A late first and an early second being sent out along with a future second. Draft picks are great, but the hit percentage on picks that low in the draft is historically very low and the Cavs have plenty of guys under 23 years old on their roster already. Oh and by the way, there is a non-zero percent chance that the deal that gets submitted to the league looks different than the one that has currently been reported. The Cavs still have the DPE from Rubio to utilize until the official deal gets submitted.

-LeVert is an Ohio guy who is very close with Jarrett Allen and by all accounts is one of the "best" people in the league. Its not measurable, but the Cavs persona is now full of hard working, self sacrificing players, who do what is best for the team to win. They believe LeVert will fit in well, and have plans to make him a longer term part of the team than his current contract would indicate.

-Jiri Welsch was traded for before Dan Gilbert bought the team.

-Thanks for listening everyone. Back to lurking for this old timer.

[Mind_Odyssey]

People criticized Altman for the contract he gave Allen.

I’m going to give him benefit of the doubt on this one because it schematically makes sense. Levert is also a good lockeroom fit and has a good relationship with Allen.

[Dupp]

You’re recollection of events is not very good. He was a major reason they turned their season around and made the finals and probably could have won if not for injuries. They were like .500 halfway through the season. That post trade cavs team in 15 was one of the best cavs teams lebron had in Cleveland and the best defensive team of the second stint.

Yeah 2016 didn’t go great for him and he never really recovered from injury but those “ two firsts” that were late firsts were more than worth it to give them a shot at a title in 15.

And really they gave up waiters and a first for JR, Shumert and mozgov who were all major contributors on that 15 team. It worked great for Cleveland.

Yeah, Mozgov was awesome in 2015. That move along with JR/Shump likely would have gotten them the title if Love and Kyrie didn't get injured

That doesn't make any sense. Love playing the next year is part of the reason Mozgov didn't play in the playoffs. The Cavs cruise through the East with or without Mozgov, and he was useless against GS.

Wrong again. TT took mozgovs starting spot not love.

Yes he was trash in 16. Rushed back from injury, ruined his career and lakers still gave him 70 mil lol.


You’re Still, ignoring 2015 though.

[toooskies]

I dont post often anymore, but reading through this thread made me realize there are an awful lot of misconceptions about the Cavs. It's likely not your fault since the Cavs dont get much national airtime, but I am aware that most people on this site are a bit more than casual NBA fans. Still as someone who watches every minute of every Cavs game, and often times watches each game twice, I thought it might be helpful to chime in.

-To start, as other Cavs fans have correctly called out, the biggest need for the team is a secondary ball handler. Since Rubio went down in early January, Garland's workload went through the roof. To his credit, he knocked it out of the park, which played a big part in his All Star selection and put him in the running for player of the month (props to Embiid who was well deserving). However, the toll that the heavy workload put on Garland was severe, and he has now missed multiple games to rest his injured back.

-Rubio allowed Garland to play off the ball and to take "breaks" while on the court in doing so. Again, to Garland's credit, his off ball spot shooting was what really made the two PG look work. A little known fact, is that Garland and Rubio were the best rated backcourt in the NBA up until Rubio's injury. They view LeVert as the guy who was most attainable and best suited to fill that role. Not that raw shooting percentage tells the whole story, but Rubio's .339 3 point percentage is one that LeVert has put up in multiple seasons and is certainly within reach as a lower priority offensive weapon for this team.

-The players being suggested (Covington, Powell, White, Beal, McCollum, etc..) didn't fit the need or weren't worth the price for a number of reasons. Keep in mind that a secondary ball handler was the TOP need, not someone who can knock down a three off of someone else's playmaking. Additionally, the Cavs are right up against the tax, and did not want to send any of their core players (Okoro, Sexton, Markkanan included) out in a deal. To put it bluntly, they didn't want the Convington/Powell duo over LeVert.

-I am completely stealing this next part from one of the top members on RealCavsFans as I simply cant say it any better then they did. Shout out to my fellow RCF brothers:

LeVert is a terrific pick and roll player, in the 82nd percentile as a PnR ball handler in about 8 PnRs per game. For reference, DG is in the 66th percentile in 8.2 PnRs per game and Rubio was in the 39th percentile in about 6 PnRs per game. For a team that gets into most of its sets using the high PnR, that is really intriguing to me. And we already know the comfort he has with Allen in the PnR game from their time together in Brooklyn.

He is an underrated catch and shoot player this year, something he doesn't do much since he is the primary ball-handler for Indy. Shoots 32.3% from 3 for the season this year, but that number jumps to 38.6% off catch and shoots. He only gets 1.8 3PA per game in that situation in Indy, but so far the Cavs have generated 2.9, 2.7, and 2.7 catch and shoot 3PAs per game for their high usage guards in Garland, Rubio, and Sexton respectively. Safe to say he will be given more opportunities to find himself in catch and shoot situations with Garland sharing the floor with him. For his career he is ~35% from 3 on catch and shoots.

-The Cavs have one of the easiest remaining schedules in the league. They are currently 1 game out of 1st in the East. They believe they will have one of the top records in the east, which should put them in top 4-5 records in the league. If many posters are going to call the Houston 2nd round pick "basically a first" shouldn't the Cavs 1st round pick also be called "basically a second" using the same logic? Or we can stop exaggerating to try to prove a point and call the deal what it was. A late first and an early second being sent out along with a future second. Draft picks are great, but the hit percentage on picks that low in the draft is historically very low and the Cavs have plenty of guys under 23 years old on their roster already. Oh and by the way, there is a non-zero percent chance that the deal that gets submitted to the league looks different than the one that has currently been reported. The Cavs still have the DPE from Rubio to utilize until the official deal gets submitted.

-LeVert is an Ohio guy who is very close with Jarrett Allen and by all accounts is one of the "best" people in the league. Its not measurable, but the Cavs persona is now full of hard working, self sacrificing players, who do what is best for the team to win. They believe LeVert will fit in well, and have plans to make him a longer term part of the team than his current contract would indicate.

-Jiri Welsch was traded for before Dan Gilbert bought the team.

-Thanks for listening everyone. Back to lurking for this old timer.

Thanks for all this, it's a good read and puts a lot of LeVert's stats in context. If he's 38.6% on catch-and-shoots, though, his off-the-dribble three must be terrible.

I agree at the late-first-and-early-second is kind of exaggerated (if you're trading that on draft day, your late 1st and early 2nd turns into a mid-to-late 1st). OTOH, getting a few games better this year is actually a high-leverage move. The distance between 8th and 1st in the East is only 4.5 games-- you can find yourself on the outside looking in pretty quickly. If LeVert only adds two wins to the Cavs for the rest of the season, that might swing 3-4 spots in the rankings. (It would take the Cavs from 4th to 1st in the East right now.)

LeVert's primary purpose on this team will be to stabilize the team when Garland is out and to be a secondary playmaker when the other team throws everything at Garland later. Those are HUGE roles that we loved Rubio in, but even he wasn't perfect, taking far too many shots for a guy who's 38% from the field. LeVert isn't ideal defensively, but he at least has enough size to guard a 3-and-D wing (think Danny Green or Duncan Robinson or Joe Harris) while Okoro handles the point-of-attack defense.

[cupcakesnake]

I used to like Caris Levert quite a bit when I thought he'd be a big distributing guard with some scoring punch. He ended up developing into a tunnel vision iso hunter who attacks the middle of the floor. I like him less!

I don't like the trade big picture for the Cavs. I kinda thought the best move here was patience: keep Rubio's bird rights and keep your picks. But this trade does make them more interesting this season. The Cavs getting another guy who can dribble is a big upgrade, regardless of whether we like Levert or not. He'll be entering a rotation that is currently: Okoro, Cedi Osmon, Dean Wade, Dylan Windler. It's just not hard to improve on that!

Levert is 27. He's not a nice young piece they're adding to their core. He's their Rubio replacement and he cost a FRP.

Draft picks are overrated. The entire Cavs young rotation players consist of Wade/Stevens/Goodwin who were all UDFAs. Proving you can find good young depth in the UDFA pool as well as you can in the 2nd round if you have a competent player development system.

Once you get past pick 20 its literally a low % crap shoot. I would much rather have a player like LeVert (even with his flaws) than a chest full of 2nd round draft picks that will 90% of the time amount to nothing.

Plus, the Cavs dont need any more young draft picks. Their team is already littered with young developing talent. Eventually you have to offset that with veterans.

Garland, Allen, Sexton, Okoro, Windler, Wade, Stevens, Goodwin are all 23 years old or younger. How many more draft picks do you need lol

I only briefly mentioned draft picks in my post...and never lamented the fact that the Cavs will be missing out on their pick in the 20s this year. Hardly seems like I need to be quoted for this referendum on the value of a low FRP.

I don't hate the trade. It could work out and I think there is good potential fit. It's not out of the question that the Cavs go on a playoff run and I see the East/league as wide open enough that maybe it's worth quickly going for it.

I simply stated my preference that the Cavs keep their assets (including Rubio's bird rights) because I'm not that excited about Levert. While there could be good fit here, Levert has solidified into a scorer who doesn't really score very well. If he was 24 or 25, I'd be more excited, but Levert might just be what he is at this point: a negative efficiency, ball-dominant scoring threat. I'm a long time fan of Levert and kept all my stock until this year, when he turned 27 and still didn't show any of the promise of versatile playmaking that has long been tantalizing with him. I'd be happy though if it works out. He's filling a big hole in their roster, and the Cavs being a defensive team short on perimeter fire power is the perfect spot for a talented scorer with efficiency issues. I don't think Levert helps a high end offense, but he might be able to boost a mediocre one.

[zshawn10]

Isn't he a expiring next year? I'm sure they can unload him if it doesn't work out.

Cavs and Levert reportedly have mutual interest in an extension

[Tor_Raps]

Based on the poll results, it was a perfect trade for both teams. A late 1st and an early 2nd rounder for 1.5 years of Levert is good value.

Cavs will need the perimeter scoring in the playoffs while the Pacers get some good picks to help the rebuild.

Worst case if Levert doesn't work for the Cavs, they can still get value from an expiring Levert in the offseason.

[zshawn10]

What did the Rockets trade Caris for again?

You have to understand also Levert being traded saved his life. They discovered a big cancerous mass on his kidney, it was way too risky

[danvato]

Hate it. We just gave up 4 picks for a low efficiency chucker.

Edit: Okay, three picks and still kept the Spurs' second this year while getting a Miami second back. I don't hate it as much anymore.

Pretty sure you guys will love in.

"low efficiency chucker" label is unfair. He is one of those guys that needs to get into a rhythm, but injuries always get in the way. Him and Allen had terrific chemistry too. Levert is an underrated playmaker.

[LivingLegend]

I used to like Caris Levert quite a bit when I thought he'd be a big distributing guard with some scoring punch. He ended up developing into a tunnel vision iso hunter who attacks the middle of the floor. I like him less!

I don't like the trade big picture for the Cavs. I kinda thought the best move here was patience: keep Rubio's bird rights and keep your picks. But this trade does make them more interesting this season. The Cavs getting another guy who can dribble is a big upgrade, regardless of whether we like Levert or not. He'll be entering a rotation that is currently: Okoro, Cedi Osmon, Dean Wade, Dylan Windler. It's just not hard to improve on that!

Levert is 27. He's not a nice young piece they're adding to their core. He's their Rubio replacement and he cost a FRP.

Draft picks are overrated. The entire Cavs young rotation players consist of Wade/Stevens/Goodwin who were all UDFAs. Proving you can find good young depth in the UDFA pool as well as you can in the 2nd round if you have a competent player development system.

Once you get past pick 20 its literally a low % crap shoot. I would much rather have a player like LeVert (even with his flaws) than a chest full of 2nd round draft picks that will 90% of the time amount to nothing.

Plus, the Cavs dont need any more young draft picks. Their team is already littered with young developing talent. Eventually you have to offset that with veterans.

Garland, Allen, Sexton, Okoro, Windler, Wade, Stevens, Goodwin are all 23 years old or younger. How many more draft picks do you need lol

I only briefly mentioned draft picks in my post...and never lamented the fact that the Cavs will be missing out on their pick in the 20s this year. Hardly seems like I need to be quoted for this referendum on the value of a low FRP.

I don't hate the trade. It could work out and I think there is good potential fit. It's not out of the question that the Cavs go on a playoff run and I see the East/league as wide open enough that maybe it's worth quickly going for it.

I simply stated my preference that the Cavs keep their assets (including Rubio's bird rights) because I'm not that excited about Levert. While there could be good fit here, Levert has solidified into a scorer who doesn't really score very well. If he was 24 or 25, I'd be more excited, but Levert might just be what he is at this point: a negative efficiency, ball-dominant scoring threat. I'm a long time fan of Levert and kept all my stock until this year, when he turned 27 and still didn't show any of the promise of versatile playmaking that has long been tantalizing with him. I'd be happy though if it works out. He's filling a big hole in their roster, and the Cavs being a defensive team short on perimeter fire power is the perfect spot for a talented scorer with efficiency issues. I don't think Levert helps a high end offense, but he might be able to boost a mediocre one.

Im just speaking in generals lol Draft pick conversation fires me up because Ive grown up in CLE watching the Browns who will trade thier 1st born child for a draft pick for the 'future' just to watch that draft pick get cut off the roster 3 years later.

I hate draft picks, especially in basketball. Unless they are top 10 IMO they are worthless and I would rather have a established player than the 19th pick in the draft.

Get this..by advanced metrics historically, the average player taken at the 12th pick overall is Alec Burks and Gerald Henderson, the average player at the 13th pick is Julian Wright and the average player at the 14th pick is Denzel Valentine.

When you get to the 15th pick in the draft, there is a 40% chance the player never sees the floor and is considered a bust and a 30% chance they develop into a role player. When you get past the 25th pick in the draft, there is only a 25% chance that player will ever see the floor for your team.

This is why I laugh when people get bent out of shape thinking the 28th pick and the 35th pick in the draft are actually worth anything more than trade chips to rebuilding teams looking to hit that <5% Nikola Jokic lottery ticket.

I would rather have Caris LeVert than 2 lotto tickets that historically give me less than a 10% chance at even finding a average role player.

[zshawn10]

Cavs are looking gooooooooooooooooood...

Garland
LeVert
Markkanen
Mobley
Allen

But there's one glaring hole with that lineup.... outside shooting. LeVert is alright but IMO the Cavs need a real knockdown shooter (a guy like Hield, Trent, etc.)

I don't think the Cavs are done yet.

they are 1 eric gordon buyout away....

lol at buyout

[LivingLegend]

Cavs are looking gooooooooooooooooood...

Garland
LeVert
Markkanen
Mobley
Allen

But there's one glaring hole with that lineup.... outside shooting. LeVert is alright but IMO the Cavs need a real knockdown shooter (a guy like Hield, Trent, etc.)

I don't think the Cavs are done yet.

they are 1 eric gordon buyout away....

lol at buyout

What? Are the Rockets going anywhere in the next year I wasnt aware of with their 3rd worst record in the NBA? He has 1 year left on his deal and nobody is trading a good asset for that 19M contract. He actually seems like a prime buyout candidate so the Rockets can continue their tank for next draft.

[cupcakesnake]

Draft picks are overrated. The entire Cavs young rotation players consist of Wade/Stevens/Goodwin who were all UDFAs. Proving you can find good young depth in the UDFA pool as well as you can in the 2nd round if you have a competent player development system.

Once you get past pick 20 its literally a low % crap shoot. I would much rather have a player like LeVert (even with his flaws) than a chest full of 2nd round draft picks that will 90% of the time amount to nothing.

Plus, the Cavs dont need any more young draft picks. Their team is already littered with young developing talent. Eventually you have to offset that with veterans.

Garland, Allen, Sexton, Okoro, Windler, Wade, Stevens, Goodwin are all 23 years old or younger. How many more draft picks do you need lol

I only briefly mentioned draft picks in my post...and never lamented the fact that the Cavs will be missing out on their pick in the 20s this year. Hardly seems like I need to be quoted for this referendum on the value of a low FRP.

I don't hate the trade. It could work out and I think there is good potential fit. It's not out of the question that the Cavs go on a playoff run and I see the East/league as wide open enough that maybe it's worth quickly going for it.

I simply stated my preference that the Cavs keep their assets (including Rubio's bird rights) because I'm not that excited about Levert. While there could be good fit here, Levert has solidified into a scorer who doesn't really score very well. If he was 24 or 25, I'd be more excited, but Levert might just be what he is at this point: a negative efficiency, ball-dominant scoring threat. I'm a long time fan of Levert and kept all my stock until this year, when he turned 27 and still didn't show any of the promise of versatile playmaking that has long been tantalizing with him. I'd be happy though if it works out. He's filling a big hole in their roster, and the Cavs being a defensive team short on perimeter fire power is the perfect spot for a talented scorer with efficiency issues. I don't think Levert helps a high end offense, but he might be able to boost a mediocre one.

Im just speaking in generals lol Draft pick conversation fires me up because Ive grown up in CLE watching the Browns who will trade thier 1st born child for a draft pick for the 'future' just to watch that draft pick get cut off the roster 3 years later.

I hate draft picks, especially in basketball. Unless they are top 10 IMO they are worthless and I would rather have a established player than the 19th pick in the draft.

Get this..by advanced metrics historically, the average player taken at the 12th pick overall is Alec Burks and Gerald Henderson, the average player at the 13th pick is Julian Wright and the average player at the 14th pick is Denzel Valentine.

When you get to the 15th pick in the draft, there is a 40% chance the player never sees the floor and is considered a bust and a 30% chance they develop into a role player. When you get past the 25th pick in the draft, there is only a 25% chance that player will ever see the floor for your team.

This is why I laugh when people get bent out of shape thinking the 28th pick and the 35th pick in the draft are actually worth anything more than trade chips to rebuilding teams looking to hit that 5% Nikola Jokic lottery ticket.

I would rather have Caris LeVert than 2 lotto tickets that historically give me less than a 10% chance at even finding a average role player.

Sure. I value Caris Levert more than the expected return of a late FRP. The argument for the Cavs not making this trade isn't that by itself though. An FRP isn't just the player it results in, it's the value it can increase in a trade. I honestly just wanted the Cavs to re-sign Rubio next year, since he was fitting in so well with Mobley, Allen, and Garland. It seemed a shame to throw that out for a potentially questionable player. The Cavs also lose those picks in any potential Sexton trade. He's an interesting piece for them, but his value is a big variable for other teams, and having picks to use could have increased the value they brought back in that exchange. But hey maybe they want to keep Sexton and view him as a more important part of their future, who knows.

I think it's a minor fallacy to view late FRP value only by their expected return. I think it's important to understand the expected return, but also that good front offices view FRPs as a chance to beat the expected return. Yes, late FRPs are often garbage. But hitting on a late FRP can be franchise-altering. A good front office should expect/understand the odds of success, but taking a swing sometimes results in a home run and that's what you're going for. Look at a team like the Mavs and Suns, teams that have historically undervalued FRP (often to the point of just giving them away for cash or not taking having to pay the salary). It's been a weakness for their franchises. It deprived the Steve Nash Suns of chances to stock the bench with cheap, young rotation players (they traded away Rajon Rondo for example). It made the Mavs' late Dirk teams resort to building teams from the free agent junk pile, rather than building a young stable of talent. Fans who think a late FRP is going to result in a definite rotation player are certainly hopeful/ignorant, but undervaluing FRP carries major opportunity cost.

[Johnny Firpo]

I dont post often anymore, but reading through this thread made me realize there are an awful lot of misconceptions about the Cavs. It's likely not your fault since the Cavs dont get much national airtime, but I am aware that most people on this site are a bit more than casual NBA fans. Still as someone who watches every minute of every Cavs game, and often times watches each game twice, I thought it might be helpful to chime in.

-To start, as other Cavs fans have correctly called out, the biggest need for the team is a secondary ball handler. Since Rubio went down in early January, Garland's workload went through the roof. To his credit, he knocked it out of the park, which played a big part in his All Star selection and put him in the running for player of the month (props to Embiid who was well deserving). However, the toll that the heavy workload put on Garland was severe, and he has now missed multiple games to rest his injured back.

-Rubio allowed Garland to play off the ball and to take "breaks" while on the court in doing so. Again, to Garland's credit, his off ball spot shooting was what really made the two PG look work. A little known fact, is that Garland and Rubio were the best rated backcourt in the NBA up until Rubio's injury. They view LeVert as the guy who was most attainable and best suited to fill that role. Not that raw shooting percentage tells the whole story, but Rubio's .339 3 point percentage is one that LeVert has put up in multiple seasons and is certainly within reach as a lower priority offensive weapon for this team.

-The players being suggested (Covington, Powell, White, Beal, McCollum, etc..) didn't fit the need or weren't worth the price for a number of reasons. Keep in mind that a secondary ball handler was the TOP need, not someone who can knock down a three off of someone else's playmaking. Additionally, the Cavs are right up against the tax, and did not want to send any of their core players (Okoro, Sexton, Markkanan included) out in a deal. To put it bluntly, they didn't want the Convington/Powell duo over LeVert.

-I am completely stealing this next part from one of the top members on RealCavsFans as I simply cant say it any better then they did. Shout out to my fellow RCF brothers:

LeVert is a terrific pick and roll player, in the 82nd percentile as a PnR ball handler in about 8 PnRs per game. For reference, DG is in the 66th percentile in 8.2 PnRs per game and Rubio was in the 39th percentile in about 6 PnRs per game. For a team that gets into most of its sets using the high PnR, that is really intriguing to me. And we already know the comfort he has with Allen in the PnR game from their time together in Brooklyn.

He is an underrated catch and shoot player this year, something he doesn't do much since he is the primary ball-handler for Indy. Shoots 32.3% from 3 for the season this year, but that number jumps to 38.6% off catch and shoots. He only gets 1.8 3PA per game in that situation in Indy, but so far the Cavs have generated 2.9, 2.7, and 2.7 catch and shoot 3PAs per game for their high usage guards in Garland, Rubio, and Sexton respectively. Safe to say he will be given more opportunities to find himself in catch and shoot situations with Garland sharing the floor with him. For his career he is ~35% from 3 on catch and shoots.

-The Cavs have one of the easiest remaining schedules in the league. They are currently 1 game out of 1st in the East. They believe they will have one of the top records in the east, which should put them in top 4-5 records in the league. If many posters are going to call the Houston 2nd round pick "basically a first" shouldn't the Cavs 1st round pick also be called "basically a second" using the same logic? Or we can stop exaggerating to try to prove a point and call the deal what it was. A late first and an early second being sent out along with a future second. Draft picks are great, but the hit percentage on picks that low in the draft is historically very low and the Cavs have plenty of guys under 23 years old on their roster already. Oh and by the way, there is a non-zero percent chance that the deal that gets submitted to the league looks different than the one that has currently been reported. The Cavs still have the DPE from Rubio to utilize until the official deal gets submitted.

-LeVert is an Ohio guy who is very close with Jarrett Allen and by all accounts is one of the "best" people in the league. Its not measurable, but the Cavs persona is now full of hard working, self sacrificing players, who do what is best for the team to win. They believe LeVert will fit in well, and have plans to make him a longer term part of the team than his current contract would indicate.

-Jiri Welsch was traded for before Dan Gilbert bought the team.

-Thanks for listening everyone. Back to lurking for this old timer.

Check back with us after the regular season end or the playoff, and I guarantee that you will have changed your mind. Not on what you team would have needed, obviously, but how you viewed LeVert as a player, and what he brought.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

Yeah, Mozgov was awesome in 2015. That move along with JR/Shump likely would have gotten them the title if Love and Kyrie didn't get injured

That doesn't make any sense. Love playing the next year is part of the reason Mozgov didn't play in the playoffs. The Cavs cruise through the East with or without Mozgov, and he was useless against GS.

Wrong again. TT took mozgovs starting spot not love.

Yes he was trash in 16. Rushed back from injury, ruined his career and lakers still gave him 70 mil lol.


You’re Still, ignoring 2015 though.

I didn't say start, I said didn't play. Mozgov literally got DNP-CDs in the playoffs. There are 48 minutes in a game. If Love isn't playing, that leaves more big man minutes available, so yes, obviously Mozgov played more in 2015 with Love out. But Mozgov got run off the court by GS and then by other teams emulating the smaller lineup.

Mozgov got benched because he wasn't effective, he got DNPs because Love was healthy and in the playoffs fewer guys play. His addiction made no difference in either the 2015 or 2016 playoffs. Tell me what series you think the Cavs lose without Mozgov.

[JB2]

People criticized Altman for the contract he gave Allen.

I’m going to give him benefit of the doubt on this one because it schematically makes sense. Levert is also a good lockeroom fit and has a good relationship with Allen.

Short sighted people. That deal was never that crazy IMO.

I really like what the Cavs are doing. Stud point guard who looks to be a top 5 of his generation. A big man/ideal C who plays great d, contests shots, sets hard screens, rolls hard, and plays with an incredibly high motor. He also low key has some offensive skill. Then you've got Mobley who looks like he might be a generational talent some mix of KG and Chris Bosh. Adding Levert to that crew and with his scoring both on and off the ball is the perfect fit.

None of that includes Sexton who would be a great 6th man or Okoro who I guess is still TBD.

[jswede]

People criticized Altman for the contract he gave Allen.

I’m going to give him benefit of the doubt on this one because it schematically makes sense. Levert is also a good lockeroom fit and has a good relationship with Allen.

Short sighted people. That deal was never that crazy IMO.

I really like what the Cavs are doing. Stud point guard who looks to be a top 5 of his generation. A big man/ideal C who plays great d, contests shots, sets hard screens, rolls hard, and plays with an incredibly high motor. He also low key has some offensive skill. Then you've got Mobley who looks like he might be a generational talent some mix of KG and Chris Bosh. Adding Levert to that crew and with his scoring both on and off the ball is the perfect fit.

None of that includes Sexton who would be a great 6th man or Okoro who I guess is still TBD.

9 out of 10 posters hated the contract. Especially gswhoops

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2115737&hilit=Jarrett+Allen+%24100

[Mind_Odyssey]

People criticized Altman for the contract he gave Allen.

I’m going to give him benefit of the doubt on this one because it schematically makes sense. Levert is also a good lockeroom fit and has a good relationship with Allen.

Short sighted people. That deal was never that crazy IMO.

I really like what the Cavs are doing. Stud point guard who looks to be a top 5 of his generation. A big man/ideal C who plays great d, contests shots, sets hard screens, rolls hard, and plays with an incredibly high motor. He also low key has some offensive skill. Then you've got Mobley who looks like he might be a generational talent some mix of KG and Chris Bosh. Adding Levert to that crew and with his scoring both on and off the ball is the perfect fit.

None of that includes Sexton who would be a great 6th man or Okoro who I guess is still TBD.

9 out of 10 posters hated the contract. Especially gswhoops

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2115737&hilit=Jarrett+Allen+%24100

Best quote, don’t want to throw this guy under the bus:

Worst is a tie: Paying Allen stupid money and passing on Suggs for Mobley.

[yoyoboy]

Koby has proven this board wrong a few times already. Hopefully this trade continues the trend.