Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns

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Poll ended at Wed May 18, 2022 2:09 am

Q1: Keep the GM
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20%
Q1: Fire the GM
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2%
Q2: Keep the coach
126
20%
Q2: Fire the coach
21
3%
Q3: Performed better than expected
22
4%
Q3: Performed as expected
31
5%
Q3: Performed worse than expected
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18%
Q4: Rising Team
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3%
Q4: Treadmill Team
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11%
Q4: Waning Team
77
13%
 
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#241 » by bwgood77 » Tue May 17, 2022 4:57 pm

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azwfan wrote:Not sure what the avenues to improve are as I'm lazy to look up the Suns cap situation, but if they can get in FA what Payne gave them last season they'll be pretty damn good.

Hopefully they can trade Ayton for that player, and use these other cheaper C options that they found throughout the year to fill in for him (McGee, Biyombo... I guess they traded the young center already).


I'm not sure if the Suns would hard cap themselves next year, but would a double sign and trade for Mitchell Robinson from the Knicks being appealing? I would assume Robinson could be had in the $10-12MM per year range. The Knicks can send back some useful depth guys to PHX - like Alec Burks and/or take PHX's bad money for a more useful guy like Fournier while throwing in a draft pick.


Robinson sucks imo. He can't shoot outside of 2 ft. He's worthless on offense, shoots 48% from the line, gets fewer rebounds than Ayton, more fouls. Can't play against small ball...just gets blocks.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#242 » by bwgood77 » Tue May 17, 2022 4:58 pm

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srhcan wrote:Need a big wing who is good both offensively and defensively. Trade Ayton for OG

No thanks

I agree OG > Ayton but to clear logjam at forward someone has to move; how about Ayton + a young promising guard or FRP for OG?


Can Siakam not play C in today's NBA?
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#243 » by Jesus_H_Macy » Tue May 17, 2022 5:03 pm

Phystic wrote:Couldn't agree more. Once the Suns locked up first you could tell in the game vs warriors and grizzlies. Despite seeding being set those were games we could use to measure ourselves. And they got severely outplayed.

They absolutely mailed it in thinking they could coast to the finals. They disrespected both pelicans and mavs by thinking they could just play half-assed basketball and still win.

I don't even care about the jawing, that's part of sports. It's the fact they clearly didn't believe Mavs stood a chance. And now they're the laughing stock of the league and Suns fans are once again in the gutter with a what if


It was infuriating. Felt like they were throwing away everything they had worked for. It made no sense to me. I could see it if they had won the championship in '21 but to get backdoored and then have that fiery vengeance streak all season just to basically mail it in at the end like you were already crowned champion... I hope they are ashamed of the way they finished this season. If there's any silver lining to be taken from this it's that maybe they'll keep their frickin' yaps shut until they've actually won something.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#244 » by bwgood77 » Tue May 17, 2022 5:05 pm

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garrick wrote:Regardless of what happened in game 7 the Suns will need to resign Ayton as cheap as possible because they aren't going to be able to get a young athletic center like him and he's a big reason for the Suns success.


How much is "cheap as possible"? He's an RFA and i have no doubt someone will offer him a max deal (granted, it would only be 4 years). So it's going to depend how if the Suns are willing to pay the tax to retain him.


Are you really sure some team will give him an offer sheet? There are very few teams with enough cap space. Basically, Spurs, Magic (after waiving Bamba Cap Hold), and Detroit will have around 30M; Indiana around 25M; and OKC around 13M.

To give an offer sheet, they would have to stand pat while waiting 2 days for a possible match by The Suns. There is a huge opportunity cost because they would have to pass nice Free Agents on the market, trade deals, salary dumps opportunities, and sign and trade deals.


Per WOJ, they will. But lets say they don't...Suns can just offer him 5/$125 or start with that. That's reasonable. Even go up to 5/$150 starting at like $26 with $2 million raises as cap goes up. Not a bad contract.

Ayton and Suns could seek max sign and trade with team over cap and get back talent..maybe Capela and Hunter or Sabonis and Mitchell...not sure what else...and if they can't get good deal sign him.

I think regardless of it all Ayton would prefer to stay with Suns. He is very close to teammates and was with coach up until maybe final game where everyone was emotional.

If they trade him though I imagine they get worse...especially when such an efficient offensive weapon who is versatile on D who could turn into legit second option who is insanely efficient and long term play 2 man game with Book turns into some older guy like Capela or a guy with far less upside in Sabonis or Turner or Brogdon or something.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#245 » by Curmudgeon » Tue May 17, 2022 5:09 pm

For a team to collapse like that, there have to be internal chemistry issues of which we are not aware. It's just not the right mix, but I don't watch the team enough to suggest any answers.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#246 » by bwgood77 » Tue May 17, 2022 5:10 pm

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The Rebel wrote:I think they need to do what they can to force a sign and trade with Ayton to get a TPE and a pick or something, while I know Suns fans and others are dreaming about huge returns, that is what most sign and trades actually bring back.

With that TPE and pick they need to turn around and trade for a good wing defender, sign a suitable defensive starting C. They need to buy into the draft and find a high quality young backup PG that can develop into a high end starter.

BAsically this year they have to focus on actually getting the holes on the roster fixed while not losing too much in the process.


i think it would work out for phx. here's my math - ayton is overrated so he will bring in an overrated return, meaning phx will probably get a good exchange at the very least. if the team ayton goes to has a pg problem he will be a bust. he needs someone to spoon feed him and hornets might be such a team

phx was 18-6 without ayton and 3 of those losses came in a bunch in april at the end of the season



If he needs a PG to spoon feed him than why have his stats went down with Paul? As for the record without Ayton, against some teams have a good defensive big isn't a help as teams are more perimeter oriented, but then you run into teams with a dominate big and how are the Suns going to do against those teams without Ayton?

Don't worry I and many other fans will only smile and shake our heads a little next year when you guys are getting destroyed by teams with good bigs and you cannot figure out why.


He doesn't need to be spoon fed. Most of his shots were midrange by far, usually the hook shot which was self created. He wasn't a rim runner/finisher on more than about 30% of his baskets.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#247 » by bwgood77 » Tue May 17, 2022 5:11 pm

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Jesus_H_Macy wrote:Ayton needs to be re-signed, regardless of the contract. If the Suns don't want him then you sign him and move him later. I personally would prefer they keep him and make him more of a focal point on offense and see how it goes but I'm not 100% sold on him. He has some mental improvements he needs to make to truly be great. He may make them or he may not. If they really just don't want him back then it MUST be a sign-and-trade where they get value back for him. If the Suns just let him walk then Sarver should just sell off whatever tangible assets the team owns and they should fold up and retract from the league. Letting Ayton walk for nothing would be an absolutely monumental failure.

Other than the Ayton situation...this team is mentally broken. I don't know what the **** that was. The entire team from the coaching staff down looked **** scared and unprepared. I almost think you have to fire Monty. You definitely can't bring this same team back and expect anything good to happen. A large shakeup is needed if anything beyond a first round series win is going to be expected from them. Blowing the Finals last year sucked, but that was recoverable. They had a horrible game plan to guard Giannis and had some **** efforts and **** games but they were never not in the series despite the losing 4 in a row. They competed. This was a joke. The entire team might as well just retire. None of them even seemed to care in the post-game pressers. No one looked embarrassed. They looked like they were expecting to lose and were happy it was over. Pathetic.

Dallas deserves some props though. Luka will be knocking the Suns out of the playoffs for the next 15yrs while the Suns let the dude they picked over him walk for nothing. At least I'm not a Kings fan I guess? That feels like a slight on Kings fans after that performance.


The kings ultimately got Sabonis, so not a bad tradeoff for a sunk cost in Bagley


Well he also cost them Haliburton and Hield.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#248 » by bwgood77 » Tue May 17, 2022 5:18 pm

Wallace_Wallace wrote:Booker & Bridges are absolute keepers, and Chris Paul is probably an untradeable piece.....so that's that

Crowder & Payne are dime a dozen players, they can be traded. I will center a trade around them and Matisse Thybulle.
Cam Johnson knows his role as a sixth man coming off the bench. Unless the right deal comes along, he can stay.
Ayton has been disappointing this season. I'm doing a S&T to Indiana for Myles Turner and Malcolm Brogdon (Phoenix may have to give up another piece).

Payton, Mainwright, Saric, out.

Paul/Holiday
Booker/Brogdon/Shamet
Bridges/Johnson
Thybulle/Craig
Turner/Biyombo/McGee

The Suns still have a bunch of solid defenders in Bridges/Thybulle/Craig. Holiday, Booker & Brogdon can relief more of Chris Paul's ball handling duties so Paul doesn't have to do much heavy lifting until crunch time, and Turner is almost the same defender that Ayton is (judging from watching him in the past, I'd say more versatile) while adding another wrinkle of him being able to shoot.

Or just stay put. Retain Ayton, have Booker/Bridges/Holiday share more of the ball handling duties while playing Chris Paul in the late stage Tim Duncan role (25 minutes max).


I don't believe you can trade another player with a player being S&T'd, unless you are talking about matching Ayton and trading him for Turner and Brogdon later.

Can those guys stay healthy?
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#249 » by bwgood77 » Tue May 17, 2022 5:19 pm

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I love what you put together but please stop with Holiday playing minutes. Monty HATES **** Holiday (lol) and based on the altercation he does not like Ayton very much either.


When Holiday plays, it’s more calming than Payne controlling the second unit. If everything I said came true, Brogdon will be such a major piece for the Suns and Thybulle can takeover as the primary defender guarding the best perimeter player while Bridges advances his offensive game to the next level (he’s improved every season).

The Suns are still in a good place, even the second option, run it back with a little retooling would be fine even though I still would like Thybulle without giving up too much.


I'm not disagreeing with you but Monty is a dumbass that won't stop playing Payne. I want Holiday to get minutes but he would rather play no one while Payne/Holiday/Payton sit on the bench.

You have no idea how infuriating it has been since the playoffs have started.


Holiday will probably be gone unless they can re-sign for minimum. Will some team offer him much in RFA? I can't imagine so after he could never do better than 3rd string PG on 3 teams in 4 years.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#250 » by bwgood77 » Tue May 17, 2022 5:23 pm

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Bobbymcgee wrote:Doesn't sound like Ayton is happy there in Phoenix. First, he gets screwed by the owner not wanting to pay him and now the coach not wanting to play him. I just don't see it turning into anything positive unless he gets paid a max contract. Then, maybe he turns his attitude around. I could see that being a big drag on the Suns next season if the situation isn't rectified. Not exactly conducive to trying to win a championship.


Over simplification..ayton wasn't screwed. The Suns just opted to make him show he was worth a max.

And simply saying coach didn't want to play him is pretty absurd. It was a 40pt game and something happened on the bench, we don't know for sure but based on Monty, Books, and CP3s post game demeanor to the question seems like something relatively serious happened.

With all that said, I haven't seen any reports throughout the season, this is the first time. Not sure if this was an ongoing internal issue or if it was frustrations for this game. So not sure it's irreparable


From what Book said, it seemed like there was something more than what happened on the bench, not with the team or Monty but something off the court Ayton is going through...his anxiety maybe or something else. The Monty thing was weird but it seems like they used that as some sort of excuse for their poor play when Ayton outscored CP3 and Booker when he got bench (4-3, but still). He wasn't the one jacking up shots and missing, and he was playing D and rebounding.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#251 » by Bolivar » Tue May 17, 2022 5:30 pm

So many reasons that have been cited and most of them are relevant... I guess what it comes down to is that ultimately, basketball is a game of runs, you have good runs and you have some bad runs and eventually you will battle it out and come up with a better team in the 3rd or 4th quarter (like Bucs vs. Celtics).

Except that in this case, there were no runs. I had to check my memory like "did Phoenix really only have 30 points at half-time" and no, they actually had 27. If you have 27 points in the first half (especially at home) then you're not even trying to win a game. You're not even playing competitive basketball. As for WHY.... and how does it come out in a game 7 of a playoff series. I can't say, but sounds like people who come to work, dislike their work but enjoy their paycheck.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#252 » by skones » Tue May 17, 2022 6:49 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
srhcan wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:No thanks

I agree OG > Ayton but to clear logjam at forward someone has to move; how about Ayton + a young promising guard or FRP for OG?


Can Siakam not play C in today's NBA?


No way I'd stick him at the 5 with his lack of overall strength and bulk. He'd wear down fast and your rim protection isn't going to be where it needs to be in order to have a viable defense. In gadget lineup spurts though? Sure.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#253 » by Richard4444 » Tue May 17, 2022 7:19 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Richard4444 wrote:
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How much is "cheap as possible"? He's an RFA and i have no doubt someone will offer him a max deal (granted, it would only be 4 years). So it's going to depend how if the Suns are willing to pay the tax to retain him.


Are you really sure some team will give him an offer sheet? There are very few teams with enough cap space. Basically, Spurs, Magic (after waiving Bamba Cap Hold), and Detroit will have around 30M; Indiana around 25M; and OKC around 13M.

To give an offer sheet, they would have to stand pat while waiting 2 days for a possible match by The Suns. There is a huge opportunity cost because they would have to pass nice Free Agents on the market, trade deals, salary dumps opportunities, and sign and trade deals.


Per WOJ, they will. But lets say they don't...Suns can just offer him 5/$125 or start with that. That's reasonable. Even go up to 5/$150 starting at like $26 with $2 million raises as cap goes up. Not a bad contract.

Ayton and Suns could seek max sign and trade with team over cap and get back talent..maybe Capela and Hunter or Sabonis and Mitchell...not sure what else...and if they can't get good deal sign him.

I think regardless of it all Ayton would prefer to stay with Suns. He is very close to teammates and was with coach up until maybe final game where everyone was emotional.

If they trade him though I imagine they get worse...especially when such an efficient offensive weapon who is versatile on D who could turn into legit second option who is insanely efficient and long term play 2 man game with Book turns into some older guy like Capela or a guy with far less upside in Sabonis or Turner or Brogdon or something.


WOJ does not believe The Suns will let Ayton go for nothing too. He should think Ayton will get a sign and trade deal.
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Post#254 » by Beethoven » Tue May 17, 2022 7:57 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:For a team to collapse like that, there have to be internal chemistry issues of which we are not aware. It's just not the right mix, but I don't watch the team enough to suggest any answers.

I believe lot of it is just plain simple team mindset . They're not experienced and do not have any history in playoffs (and I dont think they ever will again) Theyre attitude was not cut from the cloth of championship mindset. Basically it means: humility, keeping their eye on the present not on what they think is entitled to them, sense of urgency rather than complacency, not resting on your laurels (accomplishments throughout the season and what have you) , etc.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#255 » by Wallace_Wallace » Tue May 17, 2022 8:19 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Wallace_Wallace wrote:Booker & Bridges are absolute keepers, and Chris Paul is probably an untradeable piece.....so that's that

Crowder & Payne are dime a dozen players, they can be traded. I will center a trade around them and Matisse Thybulle.
Cam Johnson knows his role as a sixth man coming off the bench. Unless the right deal comes along, he can stay.
Ayton has been disappointing this season. I'm doing a S&T to Indiana for Myles Turner and Malcolm Brogdon (Phoenix may have to give up another piece).

Payton, Mainwright, Saric, out.

Paul/Holiday
Booker/Brogdon/Shamet
Bridges/Johnson
Thybulle/Craig
Turner/Biyombo/McGee

The Suns still have a bunch of solid defenders in Bridges/Thybulle/Craig. Holiday, Booker & Brogdon can relief more of Chris Paul's ball handling duties so Paul doesn't have to do much heavy lifting until crunch time, and Turner is almost the same defender that Ayton is (judging from watching him in the past, I'd say more versatile) while adding another wrinkle of him being able to shoot.

Or just stay put. Retain Ayton, have Booker/Bridges/Holiday share more of the ball handling duties while playing Chris Paul in the late stage Tim Duncan role (25 minutes max).


I don't believe you can trade another player with a player being S&T'd, unless you are talking about matching Ayton and trading him for Turner and Brogdon later.

Can those guys stay healthy?


I did not know that. I was purely looking at player abilities and fits; I didn't think Brogdon fits Indian's long term plan and Turner has been in trade rumors for a while now.
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Post#256 » by Phystic » Tue May 17, 2022 8:24 pm

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Bobbymcgee wrote:Doesn't sound like Ayton is happy there in Phoenix. First, he gets screwed by the owner not wanting to pay him and now the coach not wanting to play him. I just don't see it turning into anything positive unless he gets paid a max contract. Then, maybe he turns his attitude around. I could see that being a big drag on the Suns next season if the situation isn't rectified. Not exactly conducive to trying to win a championship.


Over simplification..ayton wasn't screwed. The Suns just opted to make him show he was worth a max.

And simply saying coach didn't want to play him is pretty absurd. It was a 40pt game and something happened on the bench, we don't know for sure but based on Monty, Books, and CP3s post game demeanor to the question seems like something relatively serious happened.

With all that said, I haven't seen any reports throughout the season, this is the first time. Not sure if this was an ongoing internal issue or if it was frustrations for this game. So not sure it's irreparable


From what Book said, it seemed like there was something more than what happened on the bench, not with the team or Monty but something off the court Ayton is going through...his anxiety maybe or something else. The Monty thing was weird but it seems like they used that as some sort of excuse for their poor play when Ayton outscored CP3 and Booker when he got bench (4-3, but still). He wasn't the one jacking up shots and missing, and he was playing D and rebounding.


The bit I saw it didn't seem like they blamed Ayton for it, just answered when asked. But I also didn't see them totally own their failure either. They repeated bots that monty said about being a man and taking it but nobody stepped up and said "this is me because of this" type of thing.

Rumor I heard was Monty called DA out for giving up on the team. But again, all speculation.

I don't blame DA for this loss. Or even fully blame him for his disappearing acts, the Suns don't prioritize him like they should
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#257 » by Jesus_H_Macy » Tue May 17, 2022 8:40 pm

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The bit I saw it didn't seem like they blamed Ayton for it, just answered when asked. But I also didn't see them totally own their failure either. They repeated bots that monty said about being a man and taking it but nobody stepped up and said "this is me because of this" type of thing.

Rumor I heard was Monty called DA out for giving up on the team. But again, all speculation.

I don't blame DA for this loss. Or even fully blame him for his disappearing acts, the Suns don't prioritize him like they should


I'm interested to see if the details of what happened come out. It's not out of the question that Ayton did some pouting but in my opinion that's really not the type of personality he has from what I've seen. I know there were the rumors about him being unhappy but I've never really seen or heard any bad attitude from him. It looked like the whole team, including Monty, quit in Game 6 and Game 7 so without knowing more details I think it's strange and a bit hypocritical for Monty to be singling him out.
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#258 » by bwgood77 » Tue May 17, 2022 8:52 pm

Jesus_H_Macy wrote:
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The bit I saw it didn't seem like they blamed Ayton for it, just answered when asked. But I also didn't see them totally own their failure either. They repeated bots that monty said about being a man and taking it but nobody stepped up and said "this is me because of this" type of thing.

Rumor I heard was Monty called DA out for giving up on the team. But again, all speculation.

I don't blame DA for this loss. Or even fully blame him for his disappearing acts, the Suns don't prioritize him like they should


I'm interested to see if the details of what happened come out. It's not out of the question that Ayton did some pouting but in my opinion that's really not the type of personality he has from what I've seen. I know there were the rumors about him being unhappy but I've never really seen or heard any bad attitude from him. It looked like the whole team, including Monty, quit in Game 6 and Game 7 so without knowing more details I think it's strange and a bit hypocritical for Monty to be singling him out.


Yeah, even though he wanted the max and said he wanted to be respected like others in his class, he wasn't really bitching about anything, and Suns didn't even extend an offer at all. Later Jones said he would have been open for a 4 year max but his agents were adamant that the Suns never called them or proposed an offer, and they are respectable agents...I think Bill Duffy.

Then this Monty saying "he gave up" was from some apparent lip reader on twitter but he didn't do it from a video meaning he is saying he read lips AT the game which is very far fetched without having to look at it multiple times, especially since you would have had to been at a good angle and close up without anyone in view...I doubt any of this is true, especially since Ayton didn't appear to give up during the game and was playing pretty hard in the 2nd half when he came out, responsible for all their points so far with a steal, assist, hook shot bucket, contesting shots, etc.

I think most of this stuff said is all conjecture and rumors. No one knows what happened except a few people around the bench and anyone else they've talked to about it.

Ayton has also always said he will do whatever the team wants and needs, whether it be focus on D, set screens, whatever, so he's never vocally said at least publically that he wants more touches, though many think he should demand the ball even though he does have his hand up calling for it often and ignored.

His rep seems different than what he is.....that is, outside of some poor rebounding efforts and lapses in energy at times, but he still averaged more rebounds this year per 36 than last.
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Post#259 » by Phystic » Tue May 17, 2022 9:05 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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The bit I saw it didn't seem like they blamed Ayton for it, just answered when asked. But I also didn't see them totally own their failure either. They repeated bots that monty said about being a man and taking it but nobody stepped up and said "this is me because of this" type of thing.

Rumor I heard was Monty called DA out for giving up on the team. But again, all speculation.

I don't blame DA for this loss. Or even fully blame him for his disappearing acts, the Suns don't prioritize him like they should


I'm interested to see if the details of what happened come out. It's not out of the question that Ayton did some pouting but in my opinion that's really not the type of personality he has from what I've seen. I know there were the rumors about him being unhappy but I've never really seen or heard any bad attitude from him. It looked like the whole team, including Monty, quit in Game 6 and Game 7 so without knowing more details I think it's strange and a bit hypocritical for Monty to be singling him out.


Yeah, even though he wanted the max and said he wanted to be respected like others in his class, he wasn't really bitching about anything, and Suns didn't even extend an offer at all. Later Jones said he would have been open for a 4 year max but his agents were adamant that the Suns never called them or proposed an offer, and they are respectable agents...I think Bill Duffy.

Then this Monty saying "he gave up" was from some apparent lip reader on twitter but he didn't do it from a video meaning he is saying he read lips AT the game which is very far fetched without having to look at it multiple times, especially since you would have had to been at a good angle and close up without anyone in view...I doubt any of this is true, especially since Ayton didn't appear to give up during the game and was playing pretty hard in the 2nd half when he came out, responsible for all their points so far with a steal, assist, hook shot bucket, contesting shots, etc.

I think most of this stuff said is all conjecture and rumors. No one knows what happened except a few people around the bench and anyone else they've talked to about it.

Ayton has also always said he will do whatever the team wants and needs, whether it be focus on D, set screens, whatever, so he's never vocally said at least publically that he wants more touches, though many think he should demand the ball even though he does have his hand up calling for it often and ignored.

His rep seems different than what he is.....that is, outside of some poor rebounding efforts and lapses in energy at times, but he still averaged more rebounds this year per 36 than last.


Agree with you both. Ayton never seemed to display his unhappiness on or off the court. Seemed to handle it professionally and realized it would be dealt with in the off season one way or the other.

I never saw him quit, but admittedly I turned game 7 off about 2 minutes into the second. First time I haven't finished the game all season.

I thought I read somewhere that somebody who was near the bench and friendly with CP3 reported that was overheard in a huddle. But like you said all conjecture and rumor.

Bottom line is, I don't think DA deserves max UNLESS Suns are going to make it a point to have him be the bonafide #2. Consistent, meaningful touches are needed. Otherwise it's a waste of money
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Re: Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Phoenix Suns 

Post#260 » by SinceGatlingWasARookie » Tue May 17, 2022 9:07 pm

Suns did a good job at showing up ready to play every game in the regular season but the Suns overachieved with above average consistency.

The Suns were overrated coming into the playoffs.

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