Kyrie donates $500K to organizations that fight hate. Adam Silver disappointed by Kyrie apology and plans to meet him

[BBallFreak]

For anyone arguing that the book/movie he promoted isn't anti-semitic, GTFO.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/kyrie-irving-boosts-antisemitic-movie-peddling-jewish-slave-ships-theory-1234620125/

Edit- This is also my last post on this issue. It makes me too angry as a jewish individual. So anybody quoting me, don't expect a response.

yes the fine publishers at penske media corp who own variety and deadline very popular hollywood brands among many other brands

Im sure they're not biased at all and no influencle people on their boards that would want to push this agenda

completely unbiased on this subject suuuure thats the ticket

rolling stone isnt a news source its an entertainment magazine that gets paid from clicks n views

Ahh, so a Jew isn't allowed to call something anti-semitic because we're all biased. That was your implication?

Or maybe the big bad Jewish Media is squashing the truth?

This is just disgusting...

[BBallFreak]

If I post a video here, in this thread, it's a pretty clear assertion that I'm endorsing its message. - Quote from you

No, it actually doesn’t.

And that’s where the disconnect is.

You don’t know what the word endorse means.

Watch on YouTube

But I'm not endorsing it.

Thanks for SHARING it with me.

OK, I'm definitely endorsing it, since you chose not to get that...

[topnotch]

For anyone arguing that the book/movie he promoted isn't anti-semitic, GTFO.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/kyrie-irving-boosts-antisemitic-movie-peddling-jewish-slave-ships-theory-1234620125/

Edit- This is also my last post on this issue. It makes me too angry as a jewish individual. So anybody quoting me, don't expect a response.

yes the fine publishers at penske media corp who own variety and deadline very popular hollywood brands among many other brands

Im sure they're not biased at all and no influencle people on their boards that would want to push this agenda

completely unbiased on this subject suuuure thats the ticket

rolling stone isnt a news source its an entertainment magazine that gets paid from clicks n views

Have you watched that documentary?

yup extremely boring some valid points some non valid points
learned some things from it, disagreed with some thing in it, agreed with some things in it
being an adult I dont see the issue
i didnt take it as gospel go figure
family guy episodes are more offensive

[510TWSS]

For anyone arguing that the book/movie he promoted isn't anti-semitic, GTFO.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/kyrie-irving-boosts-antisemitic-movie-peddling-jewish-slave-ships-theory-1234620125/

Edit- This is also my last post on this issue. It makes me too angry as a jewish individual. So anybody quoting me, don't expect a response.

Him sharing a link to a movie didn’t impact you in any way dude.

Once you get over being upset about a social media post, you’ll be back to your life as a protected class citizen.

Nobody is allowed to say, point out or use statistics as it relates to Jewish people, like the fact that they own almost every major conglomerate — otherwise you’re “antisemitic”.

But people are allowed to run around everywhere toting black on black crime statistics & it’s not considered “anti-black”.

It’s all viewed through the prism of white supremacy. There is no Jewish cabal they’re just capitalists. That’s the only link.

Black on black crime is a dog whistle it’s not a real thing. Only if you want to make it seem like black on black crime is uniquely violent compared to other ethnicities.

It’s systemic oppression that’s a bigger issue

[shi-woo]

Quite the illogical straw man.

This isn't an issue of free speech; Kyrie's speech isn't being restricted by the government. Kyrie is being held accountable by his corporate employer for spreading racist propaganda, and the weight of his own narcissism prevents him from being empathetic of his actions.

To me... his freedom of speech is being restricted for the simple fact that he is being pretty significantly punished.
One can debate what qualifies as restricting freedom of speech - is it imprisonment or de-platforming or something else. What matters IMO is that he's being significantly punished for his speech.
I'm not even condoning or promoting the content or message of the documentary but man... people are crucifying him. I think we take our freedoms for granted sometimes.

See, this is one of the biggest misconceptions about free speech..Freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom of consequences from said speech. Kyrie can say all he wants and technically no one can force him to stop. If the nba were to ban kyrie for life, he can still talk about and promote anti semitism for the rest of his life. If a business doesnt want someone giving a particular message on their platform, they have the right as a private business to restrict his usage. There is no oppression there. If kyrie wants to hire a bunch of software developers to create an app to promote anti-semitism, he is absolutely free to do so.

The NBA and its fans have the freedom to tolerate said speech or not and are within their rights to treat Kyrie accordingly.. It goes both ways. You have the freedom to say whatever you want to say, and I have the freedom to feel how I want to feel about your free speech.

Kyrie is free to exercise his rights, but so is everyone else including a business like the NBA. We are free to shun people who do or say terrible things, are we not?

But who gets to determine what is right and what is wrong? Who gets decide who gets shunned and what is terrible?

I'll give you a great example:

Obese people.

When I was growing up, society shunned these people, and to be honest, rightfully so if you didn't have a medical condition. Now, Fat is Beautiful, and those people now control the narrative.

That's cool and all, but being over weight is still one of the biggest problems in the Western World, and is one of the leading causes in the tanking of the Health Care System. The amount of negatives that come from having a society that normalizes being overweight and unhealthy are well documented, backed up by science, and honestly should be looked down upon to incentive people to make better choices.

Overweight people are essentially smokers but with food, in how over eating effect health and the HCS, but only one of them gets hated in todays world. Only one of them gets the whip of society

So who gets to decide that Fat is Beautiful but Smoking is Toxic? Who gets to decide who's a trend setter and who's a bad apple that needs canceling?

I always find it funny when people bring up the Free Speech talking points, and then speak to the Majority Rules narrative. Majority Rules was the reason the founding fathers created the federal system of government (the greatest government achievement at the time), and the electoral collage. Not allowing the 51% to domineer over the 49% is literally the most America idea ever spoken.

[510TWSS]

Kyrie just baiting silver for that suspension at this point

[Duffman100]

To me... his freedom of speech is being restricted for the simple fact that he is being pretty significantly punished.
One can debate what qualifies as restricting freedom of speech - is it imprisonment or de-platforming or something else. What matters IMO is that he's being significantly punished for his speech.
I'm not even condoning or promoting the content or message of the documentary but man... people are crucifying him. I think we take our freedoms for granted sometimes.

See, this is one of the biggest misconceptions about free speech..Freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom of consequences from said speech. Kyrie can say all he wants and technically no one can force him to stop. If the nba were to ban kyrie for life, he can still talk about and promote anti semitism for the rest of his life. If a business doesnt want someone giving a particular message on their platform, they have the right as a private business to restrict his usage. There is no oppression there. If kyrie wants to hire a bunch of software developers to create an app to promote anti-semitism, he is absolutely free to do so.

The NBA and its fans have the freedom to tolerate said speech or not and are within their rights to treat Kyrie accordingly.. It goes both ways. You have the freedom to say whatever you want to say, and I have the freedom to feel how I want to feel about your free speech.

Kyrie is free to exercise his rights, but so is everyone else including a business like the NBA. We are free to shun people who do or say terrible things, are we not?

But who gets to determine what is right and what is wrong? Who gets decide who gets shunned and what is terrible?

I'll give you a great example:

Obese people.

When I was growing up, society shunned these people, and to be honest, rightfully so if you didn't have a medical condition. Now, Fat is Beautiful, and those people now control the narrative.

That's cool and all, but being over weight is still one of the biggest problems in the Western World, and is one of the leading causes in the tanking of the Health Care System. The amount of negatives that come from having a society that normalizes being overweight and unhealthy are well documented, backed up by science, and honestly should be looked down upon to incentive people to make better choices.

Overweight people are essentially smokers but with food, in how over eating effect health and the HCS, but only one of them gets hated in todays world. Only one of them gets the whip of society

So who gets to decide that Fat is Beautiful but Smoking is Toxic? Who gets to decide who's a trend setter and who's a bad apple that needs canceling?

I always find it funny when people bring up the Free Speech talking points, and then speak to the Majority Rules narrative. Majority Rules was the reason the founding fathers created the federal system of government (the greatest government achievement at the time), and the electoral collage. Not allowing the 51% to domineer over the 49% is literally the most America idea ever spoken.

Our education system needs significant improvement.

[BaY AReA NaTiVe]

off topic but I'm convinced the word "bigotry" has got to be the word of 2022 my goodness I've never seen so many people use that word about anything and everything in my life

[Froob]

For anyone arguing that the book/movie he promoted isn't anti-semitic, GTFO.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/kyrie-irving-boosts-antisemitic-movie-peddling-jewish-slave-ships-theory-1234620125/

Edit- This is also my last post on this issue. It makes me too angry as a jewish individual. So anybody quoting me, don't expect a response.

Him sharing a link to a movie didn’t impact you in any way dude.

Once you get over being upset about a social media post, you’ll be back to your life as a protected class citizen.

Nobody is allowed to say, point out or use statistics as it relates to Jewish people, like the fact that they own almost every major conglomerate — otherwise you’re “antisemitic”.

But people are allowed to run around everywhere toting black on black crime statistics & it’s not considered “anti-black”.

Not saying Kyrie directly caused this, but influential people like Kyrie and Kanye spreading this garbage doesn’t help

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/03/us/fbi-newark-threat-to-synagogues/index.html

[510TWSS]

To me... his freedom of speech is being restricted for the simple fact that he is being pretty significantly punished.
One can debate what qualifies as restricting freedom of speech - is it imprisonment or de-platforming or something else. What matters IMO is that he's being significantly punished for his speech.
I'm not even condoning or promoting the content or message of the documentary but man... people are crucifying him. I think we take our freedoms for granted sometimes.

See, this is one of the biggest misconceptions about free speech..Freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom of consequences from said speech. Kyrie can say all he wants and technically no one can force him to stop. If the nba were to ban kyrie for life, he can still talk about and promote anti semitism for the rest of his life. If a business doesnt want someone giving a particular message on their platform, they have the right as a private business to restrict his usage. There is no oppression there. If kyrie wants to hire a bunch of software developers to create an app to promote anti-semitism, he is absolutely free to do so.

The NBA and its fans have the freedom to tolerate said speech or not and are within their rights to treat Kyrie accordingly.. It goes both ways. You have the freedom to say whatever you want to say, and I have the freedom to feel how I want to feel about your free speech.

Kyrie is free to exercise his rights, but so is everyone else including a business like the NBA. We are free to shun people who do or say terrible things, are we not?

But who gets to determine what is right and what is wrong? Who gets decide who gets shunned and what is terrible?

I'll give you a great example:

Obese people.

When I was growing up, society shunned these people, and to be honest, rightfully so if you didn't have a medical condition. Now, Fat is Beautiful, and those people now control the narrative.

That's cool and all, but being over weight is still one of the biggest problems in the Western World, and is one of the leading causes in the tanking of the Health Care System. The amount of negatives that come from having a society that normalizes being overweight and unhealthy are well documented, backed up by science, and honestly should be looked down upon to incentive people to make better choices.

Overweight people are essentially smokers but with food, in how over eating effect health and the HCS, but only one of them gets hated in todays world. Only one of them gets the whip of society

So who gets to decide that Fat is Beautiful but Smoking is Toxic? Who gets to decide who's a trend setter and who's a bad apple that needs canceling?

I always find it funny when people bring up the Free Speech talking points, and then speak to the Majority Rules narrative. Majority Rules was the reason the founding fathers created the federal system of government (the greatest government achievement at the time), and the electoral collage. Not allowing the 51% to domineer over the 49% is literally the most America idea ever spoken.

Now go yell bomb on a plane and see how that works out for ya

[ReddoverKobe]

yes the fine publishers at penske media corp who own variety and deadline very popular hollywood brands among many other brands

Im sure they're not biased at all and no influencle people on their boards that would want to push this agenda

completely unbiased on this subject suuuure thats the ticket

rolling stone isnt a news source its an entertainment magazine that gets paid from clicks n views

Have you watched that documentary?

yup extremely boring some valid points some non valid points
learned some things from it, disagreed with some thing in it, agreed with some things in it
being an adult I dont see the issue
i didnt take it as gospel go figure
family guy episodes are more offensive

The floor is yours dude, say what you really want to. Dont beat around the bush here.

[AussieCeltic]

Sure looks like semantics to me.
Ok then, this situation smacks of Societal disagreement with Speech, not to be confused with Government supression of free speech.
Now that that's established, I am concerned about the attacks on Speech (general, not to be confused with Government-sponsored Free Speech).

Well you're wrong, it isn't semantics.

When you invoke a declaration of "He doesn't have Free Speech". The term "Free Speech" holds 100s if not 1000s of years of back history. Monarchies, churches, etc. All using tactics to suppress ideas that could shake or alter the foundation on which their power lies. Hence why one of the core foundations of the United States is based on Free Speech.

Freedom of societal impact or repercussions is an entirely different story. If society doesn't like what you have to say and you lose out financially because of it... well... tough? You had the freedom to say what you said without being imprisoned or executed. That's all we can really ask for.

Respectfully disagree. This is arguing semantics because we're debating on whether or not the government must be involved for this to qualify as official "freedom of speech". What's the ACTUAL topic here? It's that his speech is being restricted, not whether the government is involved. Therefore... it's semantics.

Interestingly, to tie back to your comment earlier about the concept/potential of "infiltration of government into social media, the impact that has on Free Speech"...
Who's to say the government isn't fully involved in this via media? That's up for debate, so you know what, even by stringent definition of freedom of speech, I could still be accurate.

Whatever, it doesn't matter... Kyrie posted a pretty messed up documentary, he SHOULD acknowledge the issues there, but I respect his right to post it and don't think he should be destroyed for it, even if it is bad stuff.

Do you have a job? I implore you to go to your job and spew some hateful/racist/anti-semantic rhetoric and see how far it gets you.

Free speech doesn’t give you the right to say anything without consequence. It’s absolutely mind boggling some people can’t grasp this simple logic.

[ReddoverKobe]

off topic but I'm convinced the word "bigotry" has got to be the word of 2022 my goodness I've never seen so many people use that word about anything and everything in my life

It's almost like in the US we have a political party who's only policy is hurting people they dont like.

[CIN-C-STAR]

Tbh it's a little shocking to learn that Amazon was the source of the content Kyrie linked to.
I just learned this from this thread and verified it.
Amazon has a much bigger platform and much more influence than Kyrie, and not only have they not apologized, but as of right now they are still renting the movie out and selling the book.
I didn't find anything about attempts to cancel Amazon, though. I suppose people like Amazon, whereas Kyrie can be cancelled without any personal sacrifice.

[HMFFL]

Kyrie knows how to stay relevant and is an all-time great at it.

Sent from my SM-N975U using RealGM mobile app

[Zeno]

See, this is one of the biggest misconceptions about free speech..Freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom of consequences from said speech. Kyrie can say all he wants and technically no one can force him to stop. If the nba were to ban kyrie for life, he can still talk about and promote anti semitism for the rest of his life. If a business doesnt want someone giving a particular message on their platform, they have the right as a private business to restrict his usage. There is no oppression there. If kyrie wants to hire a bunch of software developers to create an app to promote anti-semitism, he is absolutely free to do so.

The NBA and its fans have the freedom to tolerate said speech or not and are within their rights to treat Kyrie accordingly.. It goes both ways. You have the freedom to say whatever you want to say, and I have the freedom to feel how I want to feel about your free speech.

Kyrie is free to exercise his rights, but so is everyone else including a business like the NBA. We are free to shun people who do or say terrible things, are we not?

But who gets to determine what is right and what is wrong? Who gets decide who gets shunned and what is terrible?

I'll give you a great example:

Obese people.

When I was growing up, society shunned these people, and to be honest, rightfully so if you didn't have a medical condition. Now, Fat is Beautiful, and those people now control the narrative.

That's cool and all, but being over weight is still one of the biggest problems in the Western World, and is one of the leading causes in the tanking of the Health Care System. The amount of negatives that come from having a society that normalizes being overweight and unhealthy are well documented, backed up by science, and honestly should be looked down upon to incentive people to make better choices.

Overweight people are essentially smokers but with food, in how over eating effect health and the HCS, but only one of them gets hated in todays world. Only one of them gets the whip of society

So who gets to decide that Fat is Beautiful but Smoking is Toxic? Who gets to decide who's a trend setter and who's a bad apple that needs canceling?

I always find it funny when people bring up the Free Speech talking points, and then speak to the Majority Rules narrative. Majority Rules was the reason the founding fathers created the federal system of government (the greatest government achievement at the time), and the electoral collage. Not allowing the 51% to domineer over the 49% is literally the most America idea ever spoken.

Our education system needs significant improvement.

The problem is that calling people stupid is so frowned upon now that it discourages people learning. In my day, we'd make students wear a "Dunce cap" if they were dumb and their desire to excel at school followed. If that failed a good beating with a belt did the trick.

[BBallFreak]

Tbh it's a little shocking to learn that Amazon was the source of the content Kyrie linked to.
I just learned this from this thread and verified it.
Amazon has a much bigger platform and much more influence than Kyrie, and not only have they not apologized, but as of right now they are still renting the movie out and selling the book.
I didn't find anything about attempts to cancel Amazon, though. I suppose people like Amazon, whereas Kyrie can be cancelled without any personal sacrifice.

Oh, but we've learned in this thread that posting a video isn't an endorsement!

Seriously though, Amazon obviously should face backlash for its content. That doesn't excuse Kyrie Irving for endorsing it, though.

[Hoop Heavy]

People love to be outraged. It's incredible.

How dare you say something like that? That's completely ridiculous! I'm embarrassed just sharing the same forum with you.

[Dirk]

Tbh it's a little shocking to learn that Amazon was the source of the content Kyrie linked to.
I just learned this from this thread and verified it.
Amazon has a much bigger platform and much more influence than Kyrie, and not only have they not apologized, but as of right now they are still renting the movie out and selling the book.
I didn't find anything about attempts to cancel Amazon, though. I suppose people like Amazon, whereas Kyrie can be cancelled without any personal sacrifice.

Would you like to live in a world where a company is the arbiter of what people are allowed to read?

[An Unbiased Fan]

Where was this energy when it came to Hong Kong? Kyrie is a fool, but this fake outrage over a retweet is disgusting.