Steph Curry and the Gaslighting Campaign Against Him

[WarriorGM]

Where are these comparisons?? Nobody in their right mind claims that Lillard is as good as Curry. I've seen a lot of nonsense but I've never seen anyone claim that. You're making things up. And I don't even think you're doing it intentionally: I believe you believe these things, but it's delusion. It's not real.

I gave this link earlier. Maybe you missed it.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/30451766/ranking-top-10-nba-players-2020-21

While you are at it look at who comes in number one and number two. Then remember that Steph and KD never came in one and two in any of these lists despite being the two leading what is often seen as the best NBA team of all-time.

So if I have this right...you're basing this off of a singular ESPN top 10 list from four years ago that was made following a season which Curry missed and in which Lillard averaged 30 & 8 and was All-NBA 2nd Team.

And if you bothered to actually read it:

The issue is availability, as a broken bone in Curry's right hand limited him to five games last season and he missed a combined 44 games the previous two campaigns.

They had him at 8th purely because of his health, not ability.

To call this a massive stretch would be generous. You're finding patterns where they simply do not exist.

The fine print doesn't matter. It is the comparison. Media is making it out that a Curry to Lillard comparison is the correct one to make implying they are in the same category. That is also why the incessant drumbeat of "Steph Curry is the greatest shooter ever" can be interpreted as a veiled insult. It's faint praise because who would be the alternatives in that category? Ray Allen? Reggie Miller? Great players but they were never serious MVP candidates much less an actual MVP much less a back-to-back MVP who is the only one that was unanimous.

Meanwhile we are inundated with LeBron and Jordan comparisons. You think there is no agenda behind that?

Can you imagine the poll in the following thread if it compared LeBron to DeRozan?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1833978

Other similar threads:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2070422
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[NyKnicks1714]

I gave this link earlier. Maybe you missed it.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/30451766/ranking-top-10-nba-players-2020-21

While you are at it look at who comes in number one and number two. Then remember that Steph and KD never came in one and two in any of these lists despite being the two leading what is often seen as the best NBA team of all-time.

So if I have this right...you're basing this off of a singular ESPN top 10 list from four years ago that was made following a season which Curry missed and in which Lillard averaged 30 & 8 and was All-NBA 2nd Team.

And if you bothered to actually read it:

The issue is availability, as a broken bone in Curry's right hand limited him to five games last season and he missed a combined 44 games the previous two campaigns.

They had him at 8th purely because of his health, not ability.

To call this a massive stretch would be generous. You're finding patterns where they simply do not exist.

Can you imagine the poll in the following thread if it compared LeBron to DeRozan?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1833978

Other similar threads:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2070422
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2055117

Again, finding patterns where they do not exist at all. A couple of polls from several years ago asking specific questions like who is having a better season or who has been the better playoff performer. This isn't anything, at all.

You're not going to listen to reason though, so not sure what else to tell you. Continue to seethe and let this nonexistent Curry disrespect eat at you.

[WarriorGM]

So if I have this right...you're basing this off of a singular ESPN top 10 list from four years ago that was made following a season which Curry missed and in which Lillard averaged 30 & 8 and was All-NBA 2nd Team.

And if you bothered to actually read it:



They had him at 8th purely because of his health, not ability.

To call this a massive stretch would be generous. You're finding patterns where they simply do not exist.

Can you imagine the poll in the following thread if it compared LeBron to DeRozan?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1833978

Other similar threads:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2070422
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2055117

Again, finding patterns where they do not exist at all. A couple of polls from several years ago asking specific questions like who is having a better season or who has been the better playoff performer. This isn't anything, at all.

You're not going to listen to reason though, so not sure what else to tell you. Continue to seethe and let this nonexistent Curry disrespect eat at you.

If you wish to turn a blind eye to it that's your prerogative, but other people do see it quite clearly.

Continue to seethe and let the disrespect eat at me? Is that your way of wishing me well? Why thank you!

[Chanel Bomber]

Steph's given some of the most glorious and memorable moments that other fans could only wish for. It's the least that I can do.

I loved watching Steve Nash, and although I’m keenly aware that Curry is a better player, many fans think Nash didn’t deserve 2 mvps. Do I agree with them? Not necessarily, but I can see where they’re coming from. But frankly, I do not care what they think, and I don’t need to prove why he deserves them. I understand I’m a biased fan bc I watched Nash all through college and beyond. BIAS it’s real. You’re biased as hell, and unsatisfied.

If Nash had won few championships with even remotely similar supporting cast as curry it wouldn't even be a debate who would be better player. Even now the gap is not that large

The gap is absolutely huge.

And Nash played with multiple stars as well, not to mention under a coach who was way ahead of time, which gave the team a significant comparative advantage.

[Iwasawitness]

It's harmful to gaslight? Don't misuse the term?

It is surprising how often I see this when discussing Curry that people come out of the woodwork proclaiming up is down, left is right, black is white.

So here you are gaslighting while warning about the misuse of gaslighting. I must admit this might be a new variation I've come across. But I digress.

Stop with this BS of yours.

You’ll have to explain to me how I gaslighted you?

By acting all pious and innocent.

If you guys ever want the definition of irony and don’t feel like looking it up, this is it right here.

[Chanel Bomber]

It's funny how many posters are proving OP's point by dismissing it.

[Kawaii Leonard]

It's funny how many posters are proving OP's point by dismissing it.

There’s nothing to even dismiss, let alone have proper discourse about. Plenty posters have explained why he needs to be medicated with his hilarious takes, if he’s actually serious. Stop feeding the troll, you’ll be just as responsible for his lack of awareness or baiting as an enabler.

[brackdan70]

It's funny how many posters are proving OP's point by dismissing it.

You’ll have to connect those dots for me.
I don’t see that.

[The4thHorseman]

It's funny how many posters are proving OP's point by dismissing it.

His only point is to keep stringing posters along like he's been doing throughout the thread.

[Sofia]

Troll thread, op is a lunatic

[Ainosterhaspie]

The persecution complex here is comical. Cases 1-3 are all variations on being mad Curry didnt get awards that are famous for being wildly subjective and which many ATGs have gotten snubbed for various silly reasons like voter fatigue and infatuation with narratives over who is actually best, not to mention that all of those snubs against Curry had good cases to be made for the player's who got those awards over Curry. It's not some grand conspiracy, it's just normal NBA stuff.

As a side note, it's funny he keeps talking about Curry as the only unanimous MVP when that refutes the very point he's trying to make. Shaq and LeBron should have gotten that distinction before him, but got robbed by voters, but Curry didn't. But the times things went Curry's way and not other players' way doesn't help the persecution complex, so they're ignored.

His case number four is so off the mark. There isn't a reasonable debate for Curry's career over LeBron's. You can compare those guys on one side of the ball for about five or six seasons and have it be a debate. Look at both sides of the ball and whole career and LeBron smokes Curry. Its not remotely close. He has more than double the seasons of top level play and is a vastly superior defender. There is no argument for Curry over James for career. None. Too slow a start, too injury prone, not a two way player.

And it's not just LeBron. The top 10 is filled with guys who were much better much sooner, were better longer and were far better two way players. As remarkable as he is, he's just not at that level.

[WarriorGM]

The persecution complex here is comical. Cases 1-3 are all variations on being mad Curry didnt get awards that are famous for being wildly subjective and which many ATGs have gotten snubbed for various silly reasons like voter fatigue and infatuation with narratives over who is actually best, not to mention that all of those snubs against Curry had good cases to be made for the player's who got those awards over Curry. It's not some grand conspiracy, it's just normal NBA stuff.

As a side note, it's funny he keeps talking about Curry as the only unanimous MVP when that refutes the very point he's trying to make. Shaq and LeBron should have gotten that distinction before him, but got robbed by voters, but Curry didn't. But the times things went Curry's way and not other players' way doesn't help the persecution complex, so they're ignored.

His case number four is so off the mark. There isn't a reasonable debate for Curry's career over LeBron's. You can compare those guys on one side of the ball for about five or six seasons and have it be a debate. Look at both sides of the ball and whole career and LeBron smokes Curry. Its not remotely close. He has more than double the seasons of top level play and is a vastly superior defender. There is no argument for Curry over James for career. None. Too slow a start, too injury prone, not a two way player.

And it's not just LeBron. The top 10 is filled with guys who were much better much sooner, were better longer and were far better two way players. As remarkable as he is, he's just not at that level.

Again you mistake the supporting points for the real argument I am making. In isolation if Curry misses out on this or that award is not the issue. It is the entire unnaturally bizarre narrative, the constant downplaying of his achievements.

Getting the unanimous MVP does not disprove my contention. He was still being treated like most other players would be treated for doing what he did. But after that? Looking just at the media awards one might be forgiven thinking that the majority of Curry's time at the top was over with 1 championship in 2 finals appearances instead of the reality where Curry more than doubled that production with 3 more championships in 4 more finals appearances.

Currently Jokic is still being hailed as the best player in the world after not defending his title. In 2017 and 2020 media was trying to suggest Curry wasn't even the best player on his team or a top 5 player.

LeBron was much better sooner? Too bad it didn't translate to championships. Curry won a championship in less seasons in the league than it took LeBron. Too slow a start, too injury prone, not a two way player? Then I guess Steph equaling LeBron's championships would be more impressive just on its own but Curry still exceeded him by playing in the tougher conference and leading more historically significant teams.

Other top 10 players were better longer? Curry is now entering his 15th season. Larry Bird only had 12 seasons in the league, Magic 13, Wilt 14. Needing to be an elite two-way player is an orthodoxy that isn't actually required by the rules much in the same way Curry helped show being a jump shooting team doesn't disqualify it from championships. Indeed Curry has shown he can lead such a team to the highest historical level; it would seem Curry has compensating characteristics that shatter orthodox views. Any evaluation that does not take that into account is going to be flawed.

So much for your none argument. Indeed to even suggest Curry has no arguments is ridiculous and just an example of more gaslighting.

[MavsDirk41]

Curry doesnt have Klutch and the Klutch mouthpieces like Nick Wrong, Windhorst, and the Tom whatever guy from Yahoo promoting for him but Curry is a tier below James anyway. Curry is top 15 at the worst and a first ballot HOF player without a doubt. I doubt he puts too much though into his legacy which is the opposite of James.

[WarriorGM]

It's funny how many posters are proving OP's point by dismissing it.

Yup.

They say they aren't gaslighting and don't see it—and then they call me a lunatic!

Unbelievable!

[brackdan70]

It's funny how many posters are proving OP's point by dismissing it.

Yup.

They say they aren't gaslighting and don't see it—and then they call me a lunatic!

Unbelievable!

There appears to be a part of you that feels slighted, feels like you don’t deserve acknowledgment, and it looks like you are projecting this onto a perceived slight of Curry? Am I wrong?
What does this part of you really want? For Curry to be acknowledged, or does it want to feel acknowledged. Well I acknowledge and appreciate your passion for this topic and your love of basketball, the warriors, and Curry.
I am sorry people are calling you a lunatic. That’s not true. Just a very passionate fan.

I still take issue of you using the term gaslighting for this situation, but if that’s what it feels like to you then OK.
Cheers

[Ayt]

I now hate Curry due to WarriorGM.

[WarriorGM]

I now hate Curry due to WarriorGM.

And they said that my words here wouldn't have an effect.

Thank you for your inspiring testimony.

[NyKnicks1714]

This rivals eyeatoma's thread about high altitude teams.

[NBA4Lyfe]

The nba voters actually live Steph tho


Harden somehow only has 7x all nba selections to his name with close to 13 years of all-nba play. The nba will still reward steph will all nba selections after he misses the plsyoffs

Damn Harden’s obsessed fan is back

Now they can battle it out with their conspiracy theories. Magnet rims vs Curry being hated by the media, which is worse?

Lebron shot chart in paris kind of eludes to this theory tho. Lebron had a lot more layups/dunks about 10x as many than jumpers over in olympic play lol

[hippesthippo]

Can you imagine the poll in the following thread if it compared LeBron to DeRozan?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1833978

Other similar threads:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2070422
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2055117

Again, finding patterns where they do not exist at all. A couple of polls from several years ago asking specific questions like who is having a better season or who has been the better playoff performer. This isn't anything, at all.

You're not going to listen to reason though, so not sure what else to tell you. Continue to seethe and let this nonexistent Curry disrespect eat at you.

If you wish to turn a blind eye to it that's your prerogative, but other people do see it quite clearly.

Continue to seethe and let the disrespect eat at me? Is that your way of wishing me well? Why thank you!

4 years ago?! Who is gaslighting who here my man?