Is Jamal Murray washed?

[dhsilv2]

Maybe so, but Beal is shooting 10% better from the field. Whatever edge Murray has on defense is not making up for that.

I’m confident Beal could give us an efficient 22 ppg as Jokic’s #2. That’s not worth his contract, but it’s still better than whatever the hell Jamal Murray is these days.

Like I said, Phoenix hangs up.

Make it a efficient 28. I still think they're worse with Beal's defense.

I dont know how can you think that Murray is somehow a better defender. He is a traffic cone out there.

And beal might as well put the ball in for the other team...

[BigGargamel]

The only players with some value they can trade this season are Porter and Holmes(once he comes back). They should try to trade both to Blazers for Simons, Thybule and Reath. Bolster that bench. Simons can give you easy 20 plus points, if not more playing alongside Jokic. Trade Nnaji for Beasley back.
Or...trade Porter and any picks still left for Brogdon and Valanciunas. Start Brogdon and move Murray to backup SG until next season when you dump him for any two players that can play off Jokic.

I would take Porter over Simons EASILY. Come on now.

For the 100th time. MPJ is having a very good season. He is the least of Denver's problems.

[MrPainfulTruth]

I'm done with Murray. He is selfish, oversentive, moody, a black hole on offense and subpar on defense. His decisions are awful. He is to prime Jokic what young Westbrook was to KD. Speaking of Westbrook i feel better when he is running the offense than with Jamal on the floor. Worst contract and decision in the entire league. And a shame to waste Jokers prime years. He has been the best the NBA has to offer for several years now.

[7seventynine9]

Beal is actually solid at getting into the paint and finishing, something Murray has never been good at.

Murray puts zero pressure on the rim, despite playing with the best playmaking big in history. I have no doubt Beal would much more efficient in this role.

Beal's just too weak physically to play defense at any level, which is compounded in the playoffs when a bit more contact is allowed and the game slows. Offense isn't the issue with Beal. And I say this as someone who thinks Murray is a bad defender. Beal's just worse.

Maybe so, but Beal is shooting 10% better from the field. Whatever edge Murray has on defense is not making up for that.

I’m confident Beal could give us an efficient 22 ppg as Jokic’s #2. That’s not worth his contract, but it’s still better than whatever the hell Jamal Murray is these days.

Like I said, Phoenix hangs up.

Another reason Phoenix hangs up is Beal is a FA after 25/26. Murray is signed through 28/29. I wonder how LaVine would look next to Jokic, but he's another guy that's only signed until 25/26, so the Bulls would hang up too.

[guynumber45]

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Yikes. Gordon tried to call a team huddle and Murray just ignored him. The vibes in Denver are low and it all boils down to Murray.

[Peregrine01]

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Yikes. Gordon tried to call a team huddle and Murray just ignored him. The vibes in Denver are low and it all boils down to Murray.

Guy went on a few red hot shooting streaks in the playoffs but otherwise never showed any indication of being an all-star player. Dude fooled lots of people, including his own front office, when it was just unsustainable shot-making this whole time and Jokic being the GOAT at elevating teammate play. Jokic deserves probably 90% of his contract.

[Lalouie]

i think he will always be streaky because he has a very measured release

there's just a tad enough time in his release for him to think about it

ewing had a weird hesitation release. that's why he choked at the ft. line

[bushybrah_]

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Yikes. Gordon tried to call a team huddle and Murray just ignored him. The vibes in Denver are low and it all boils down to Murray.

Wow. That’s horrible.

Why couldn’t they have done this when they played the Heat in the Finals ?

[Wolfgang630]

He’s never been great. He had his one fluke run which makes it worse because it makes you think of joker had that kind of player as his partner for his career they’d rack up championships

[Stromile12]

he was an absolute bum for Canada in the Olympics too

[LeBronSpaghetti]

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Yikes. Gordon tried to call a team huddle and Murray just ignored him. The vibes in Denver are low and it all boils down to Murray.

What a **** clown. There’s nobody more arrogant in the whole league. It’s been obvious for a while for those paying attention. He has ALWAYS been a complete **** to the media, which says a lot about a professional athlete. The Denver media is pretty tame and he has treated them like **** for years.

I believe the problems with Denver are Jamal Murray and the bench, but I believe Murray is far and away the bigger issue.

[Wolfgang630]

Yeah Murray has always been arrogant. You’ve seen that in his early career highlights and you hear about how he is with media. People wanted him traded before they won the championship. I’d still take him being traded back then

[Ssj16]

I love all the revisionist history. Murray is washed right now but that doesn't take away his accomplishments of the past. In 2 playoffs he played at top 5 level consistently. There's not many players in the history of the NBA who have done this.

[jokeboy86]

I love all the revisionist history. Murray is washed right now but that doesn't take away his accomplishments of the past. In 2 playoffs he played at top 5 level consistently. There's not many players in the history of the NBA who have done this.

Not revisionist history for me. Even before they won I still would have traded for Kyrie with all of his warts because Kyrie's ceiling is much higher and he's been doing it longer. The problem with people who come out and defend Murray is they cite two seasons and nothing else. It's like people bringing up Colin Kaepernick like he had been this elite QB for a sustained period of time when he also literally had 2 and 1/2 good seasons. Plus I'm one of those who still has a hard time believing that no other guards/wings with Murray's skillset could have that similar impact playing next to Jokic. Jokic is like most of the great pgs like Magic, Kidd, Nash, CP3 in that they can make good players look great but look what happens to those players when they're not playing next to them.

Booth and Denver paying Murray early with his mediocre play since the playoffs last year and more importantly his injury history(he's hurt again) becomes more idiotic as time goes on.

[The Servant]

I'm done with Murray. He is selfish, oversentive, moody, a black hole on offense and subpar on defense. His decisions are awful. He is to prime Jokic what young Westbrook was to KD. Speaking of Westbrook i feel better when he is running the offense than with Jamal on the floor. Worst contract and decision in the entire league. And a shame to waste Jokers prime years. He has been the best the NBA has to offer for several years now.

Damn, this is a painful truth for many. For me, I've been saying it for a year now. Murray is a washed tomato can at this point.

[JM00n69]

Yeah Murray has always been arrogant. You’ve seen that in his early career highlights and you hear about how he is with media. People wanted him traded before they won the championship. I’d still take him being traded back then

He was the 1a at times in 2020 coming back against UTAH & LAC and he was 1a at times in the Championship run. He overcame a major injury to come back and compete at the highest level and won it all and he played a massive part in that run. Noone can take that from him.

He is struggling now and it's going back to last playoffs. He embarrassed himself at the Olympics by playing injured and carrying that over to the season. He's well aware I'm sure about not performing and not being the leader that DEN needs this yr. He knows it's on a microscope with fans/media and his teammates. With AG and MPJ having their best seasons for DEN and CB and PWAT stepping up a level from last yr I'm sure it's in his head that he's failing the team as a leader he should be. Add Russ and vet history in the lockerroom I'm sure he's overwhelmed. He needs to figure this **** out but he needs to humble himself before and take responsibility

[Peregrine01]

Yeah Murray has always been arrogant. You’ve seen that in his early career highlights and you hear about how he is with media. People wanted him traded before they won the championship. I’d still take him being traded back then

He was the 1a at times in 2020 coming back against UTAH & LAC and he was 1a at times in the Championship run. He overcame a major injury to come back and compete at the highest level and won it all and he played a massive part in that run. Noone can take that from him.

He is struggling now and it's going back to last playoffs. He embarrassed himself at the Olympics by playing injured and carrying that over to the season. He's well aware I'm sure about not performing and not being the leader that DEN needs this yr. He knows it's on a microscope with fans/media and his teammates. With AG and MPJ having their best seasons for DEN and CB and PWAT stepping up a level from last yr I'm sure it's in his head that he's failing the team as a leader he should be. Add Russ and vet history in the lockerroom I'm sure he's overwhelmed. He needs to figure this **** out but he needs to humble himself before and take responsibility

The seductive thing about him is that when he gets hot he can look like an all-NBA guard. But when he's not hot, all the warts show - inability to get to the rim, no quickness, low motor, poor vision and passing instincts.

A lot of that has been papered over throughout his career because he plays with Jokic, who's probably the best possible player an on-ball guard can ever play with. Look at Westbrook - he has completely lost his ability to score from literally everywhere but he's racking up 10 assists a night as a starter because Jokic is such a great screen setter, has the GOAT hands and the GOAT finishing ability from free-throw line in. In fact, Westbrook has been able to get the ball to Jokic consistently in spots that Murray was never able to.

[GeorgeSears]

Only player with that type of contract playing worse is Haliburton.

[Peregrine01]

Only player with that type of contract playing worse is Haliburton.

1. He's still playing better than Jamal Murray
2. Watch what he does if he ever gets a chance to play with Jokic

[Wolfgang630]

He should come off the bench