Kings trade Fox to Spurs, get LaVine

[JM00n69]

Devin Vassell, Keldon Johnson and two first-round picks (one good and one not) is a much better return than one first-round pick, an expiring John Collins, Keldon Johnson and a few second-round picks. The Kings would strongly consider the Vassell offer today, but they wouldn’t strongly consider the Collins/Johnson one.

I agree, it's much better and in the current situation I think that's the best they're going to get. Spurs are gonna haggle and try to get off cheaper than that,especially as they don't have a nesseciity to act right now (in fact, getting another lotto pick this season could be useful down the line) but I suspect the Kings will eventually get them to cough up the package I outlined because at the end of the day, Fox is a really good target for the Spurs

he's from Texas originally (tho much close to Houston tbh), still young enough and on paper is a perfect fit for their long term need alongside Wemby, whose going to be available that's better or fits better? the Spurs would be wise to get it done now imo and have the two play out this season together, maybe even sneak into the playoffs and have a "dry run" in the playoffs, as a duo start to build some real chemistry

26/27 Spurs will have Wemby on a rookie max extension and currently Vassell 27M/Keldon 18M/Castle at 10M (TO) and the rest as free cap space. They will probably give Sochan a rookie extension and whatever picks they sign but they can have a ton of space to sign and build a team around Wemby. Many better options than Fox for the price and better returns for Vassell/Keldon

[Exp0sed]

26/27 Spurs will have Wemby on a rookie max extension and currently Vassell 27M/Keldon 18M/Castle at 10M (TO) and the rest as free cap space. They will probably give Sochan a rookie extension and whatever picks they sign but they can have a ton of space to sign and build a team around Wemby. Many better options than Fox for the price and better returns for Vassell/Keldon

better options like who for example?

Fox is the right age, a vet just entering his prime and he fits their biggest positional need while also giving them a real closer and a go-to guy and a an elite PNR partner for Wemby. he's also a Texas native and wants to go to the Spurs. historically, the Spurs weren't exactly a top tier FA destination. Wemby might change that but it remains to be seen

which players who are clearly better than Fox would be available anytime soon and would they choose the Spurs? i'm not so sure about that

[DrModesty]

I feel like people are way too low on Fox's value here. Lauri and Siakam on the final trade deadline of their contracts were garnering better offers than many in this thread. Fox's current contract allows for 2 playoff runs. That is major value. You can quibble on Castle, as he has shown promise, but this 1 pick and mediocre non expiring players is insulting. And that said, what percentage chance is there that Castle ends up better than Fox? Seems low to me. You would essentially be saying that he is a perennial top 15 guy to be tangibly better than Fox. Even reaching the same level would be viewed as a real developmental success.

Not a Kings fan by the way.

[sikma42]

26/27 Spurs will have Wemby on a rookie max extension and currently Vassell 27M/Keldon 18M/Castle at 10M (TO) and the rest as free cap space. They will probably give Sochan a rookie extension and whatever picks they sign but they can have a ton of space to sign and build a team around Wemby. Many better options than Fox for the price and better returns for Vassell/Keldon

better options like who for example?

Fox is the right age, a vet just entering his prime and he fits their biggest positional need while also giving them a real closer and a go-to guy and a an elite PNR partner for Wemby. he's also a Texas native and wants to go to the Spurs. historically, the Spurs weren't exactly a top tier FA destination. Wemby might change that but it remains to be seen

which players who are clearly better than Fox would be available anytime soon and would they choose the Spurs? i'm not so sure about that

Sounds like most stars want to play with Wemby so SA may now be a free agent destination.

Btw would not trade Castle for Fox. Spurs are more than fine without Fox. If you wanted a short sighted move, Trae Young would at least be more interesting imo


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[badpotato]

I don't want Fox unless it's for matching salary and modest draft compensation and i think Fox is great player.
Spurs are now on 2 years timeline to figure out the team, see what comes out of draft pipeline, put players around Wemby and get him a co-star.

Getting Fox locks Spurs into particular direction right now and just looking at the strength of other teams rosters this pairing might not be enough. Spurs are not ready to consolidate - yes, Wemby is ready for next step, but no one else around him truly is and if this move does not work out retooling and getting rid of 30 year old getting paid north of 50 milions on his new extension will not be an easy task.

It's one thing to lock in and go for prime KD, it's another to lock in and go for Fox - we would do the former in a heartbeat, we will be fine passing on the latter.

And once again -Fox is great player with top 20 in the league argument. If we get him this deadline we're up for short playoff stint and scramble to upgrade the roster sufficently in upcoming offseason- don't like that outlook when we can just chill and take it slow.

[iggymcfrack]

26/27 Spurs will have Wemby on a rookie max extension and currently Vassell 27M/Keldon 18M/Castle at 10M (TO) and the rest as free cap space. They will probably give Sochan a rookie extension and whatever picks they sign but they can have a ton of space to sign and build a team around Wemby. Many better options than Fox for the price and better returns for Vassell/Keldon

better options like who for example?

Fox is the right age, a vet just entering his prime and he fits their biggest positional need while also giving them a real closer and a go-to guy and a an elite PNR partner for Wemby. he's also a Texas native and wants to go to the Spurs. historically, the Spurs weren't exactly a top tier FA destination. Wemby might change that but it remains to be seen

which players who are clearly better than Fox would be available anytime soon and would they choose the Spurs? i'm not so sure about that

What do you mean just entering his prime? Small guards typically peak from ages 23-27. Fox is 27 and he’s having a terrible season. What if he’s never a top 50 player again? He could be washed by the time Wemby enters his prime. I don’t see why a young team would even want him.

Especially not the Spurs. A score first PG who’s not much of a passer who’s also not a very good 3-point shooter is the worst possible fit next to Wemby. Hes a negative asset as soon as the extension kicks in if you give him the money he wants.

[Teen Girl Squad]

better options like who for example?

Fox is the right age, a vet just entering his prime and he fits their biggest positional need while also giving them a real closer and a go-to guy and a an elite PNR partner for Wemby. he's also a Texas native and wants to go to the Spurs. historically, the Spurs weren't exactly a top tier FA destination. Wemby might change that but it remains to be seen

which players who are clearly better than Fox would be available anytime soon and would they choose the Spurs? i'm not so sure about that

What do you mean just entering his prime? Small guards typically peak from ages 23-27. Fox is 27 and he’s having a terrible season. What if he’s never a top 50 player again? He could be washed by the time Wemby enters his prime. I don’t see why a young team would even want him.

Especially not the Spurs. A score first PG who’s not much of a passer who’s also not a very good 3-point shooter is the worst possible fit next to Wemby. Hes a negative asset as soon as the extension kicks in if you give him the money he wants.

I wouldn't go that far but I agree its not as good of a fit as it sounds on the surface.

With as much attention and space as Wemby creates, I don't think you need an high end penetrator like Fox to really take advantage and Fox doesn't add much else besides that, at least at a high level. If the price is right, sure, but I wouldn't really lock into it. Given how few teams have cap space in the near term and the boogeyman of the apron, I suspect it won't be overly difficult to find other fits, like maybe a Mauthurin/Siakum if the Pacers don't want to pay all 3 players. Or whoever the Rockets/Thunder/Grizzlies/Cavs etc... have to jettison because they have more pieces than roster spots/cap space.

[CIN-C-STAR]

I feel like people are way too low on Fox's value here. Lauri and Siakam on the final trade deadline of their contracts were garnering better offers than many in this thread. Fox's current contract allows for 2 playoff runs. That is major value. You can quibble on Castle, as he has shown promise, but this 1 pick and mediocre non expiring players is insulting. And that said, what percentage chance is there that Castle ends up better than Fox? Seems low to me. You would essentially be saying that he is a perennial top 15 guy to be tangibly better than Fox. Even reaching the same level would be viewed as a real developmental success.

Not a Kings fan by the way.

The thing with Castle is, you have to keep him to build around Fox.
Once Fox’s 60ish mill a year extension kicks in, a starting caliber player on a rookie deal will be invaluable. Plus you’d get the benefits of a lower cap hold on him in free agency and Bird Rights.
So from a team building standpoint you need to keep him. Said another way, his inclusion in a deal would lessen the Spurs’ incentive to do the deal in the first place.
I think a deal around Vassell and picks is more likely but we shall see. A big part of the deal is also what kind of extension Fox wants, which I’m sure Rich Paul has already signaled to the Spurs on the down low. If he’s already signaled to the Spurs a willingness to resign for what they think is good value, then obviously that increases his value.
But then again I think Rich Paul was also the Morris twins’ agent a few years ago when he committed to
the Spurs in free agency and then backed out later after they’d done their other deals, if I’m not mistaken, so that could hamper negotiations.

[Scalabrine]

Houston is NOT trading Thompson. He looks like the star player they are looking for.

Cap and trade rules aside, I would believe them trading Sengun, Green, etc. but not Amen. Amen.

I wouldn't trade Alpie or Green if I am Houston either, they are still relative babies in NBA terms.

Sengun and his unique skillset for a big man are rare as hen's teeth, I think he probably needs to beef/toughen up a bit, but the Rockets need to keep him cause of the menace of Wemby lurking over their conference (and division) for the next 15 years plus.

You have to weigh in factors like that when you try to decide what's best for the Rockets future and their path to being contenders (not just for one year, but for the next decade, which I think have an legit opportunity of doing, providing they keep Alpie)

Keeping Sengun would be fine but I don't believe for a minute that he can defend Wemby. Everyone is going to need a mobile, athletic legit 7 footer and maybe two of those to come close to slowing Wemby down.

I personally would package a vet, maybe one of Sengun or Green, one or two of the prospects, and a few picks for a healthy superstar and try to win soon.

Damn it sounds like you got it all figured out! What team are you running?

[Mr Puddles]

Fox speaks on trade rumors, full quote below :

Spoiler:

Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding

[LAvision]

If I’m the spurs, I’d be really scared into getting and paying fox for the long term.

[Black Jack]

I wouldn't trade Alpie or Green if I am Houston either, they are still relative babies in NBA terms.

Sengun and his unique skillset for a big man are rare as hen's teeth, I think he probably needs to beef/toughen up a bit, but the Rockets need to keep him cause of the menace of Wemby lurking over their conference (and division) for the next 15 years plus.

You have to weigh in factors like that when you try to decide what's best for the Rockets future and their path to being contenders (not just for one year, but for the next decade, which I think have an legit opportunity of doing, providing they keep Alpie)

Keeping Sengun would be fine but I don't believe for a minute that he can defend Wemby. Everyone is going to need a mobile, athletic legit 7 footer and maybe two of those to come close to slowing Wemby down.

I personally would package a vet, maybe one of Sengun or Green, one or two of the prospects, and a few picks for a healthy superstar and try to win soon.

Damn it sounds like you got it all figured out! What team are you running?

I too am a “real gm”, buddy.

[iggymcfrack]

I feel like people are way too low on Fox's value here. Lauri and Siakam on the final trade deadline of their contracts were garnering better offers than many in this thread. Fox's current contract allows for 2 playoff runs. That is major value. You can quibble on Castle, as he has shown promise, but this 1 pick and mediocre non expiring players is insulting. And that said, what percentage chance is there that Castle ends up better than Fox? Seems low to me. You would essentially be saying that he is a perennial top 15 guy to be tangibly better than Fox. Even reaching the same level would be viewed as a real developmental success.

Not a Kings fan by the way.

Are we talking about Fox in the past or Fox in the future? Because he hasn’t been a top 50 player this year. It seems very likely that he’s declining. If Castle has a 20% chance to be a “perennial top 15 player” in the future I’d say Fox has maybe a 2% chance and Castle’s a whole hell of a lot cheaper.

[CodeBreaker]

Why is Fox/Sabonis duo not working? My apology, since I'm not watching Kings games

[Astaluego]

I would be very wary of making a big offer if I'm the Spurs, what's the rush? They might even devalue their lottery pick this year. Personally, I would wait until the offseason, try to move up in the Draft using the Hawks' FRP + the BULLS' if necessary, to get a high-potential prospect (very good PG in this Draft)... and after that maybe try to buy a struggling star at low cost, (an Ingram ST) to please Wemby

[Scalabrine]

Keeping Sengun would be fine but I don't believe for a minute that he can defend Wemby. Everyone is going to need a mobile, athletic legit 7 footer and maybe two of those to come close to slowing Wemby down.

I personally would package a vet, maybe one of Sengun or Green, one or two of the prospects, and a few picks for a healthy superstar and try to win soon.

Damn it sounds like you got it all figured out! What team are you running?

I too am a “real gm”, buddy.

It says "lead assistant" under your name.

[sackings916]

I feel like people are way too low on Fox's value here. Lauri and Siakam on the final trade deadline of their contracts were garnering better offers than many in this thread. Fox's current contract allows for 2 playoff runs. That is major value. You can quibble on Castle, as he has shown promise, but this 1 pick and mediocre non expiring players is insulting. And that said, what percentage chance is there that Castle ends up better than Fox? Seems low to me. You would essentially be saying that he is a perennial top 15 guy to be tangibly better than Fox. Even reaching the same level would be viewed as a real developmental success.

Not a Kings fan by the way.

Are we talking about Fox in the past or Fox in the future? Because he hasn’t been a top 50 player this year. It seems very likely that he’s declining. If Castle has a 20% chance to be a “perennial top 15 player” in the future I’d say Fox has maybe a 2% chance and Castle’s a whole hell of a lot cheaper.

Fox is playing with fractures in both hands and needs surgery. So many conclusions based on assumptions and was also amusing to see guards peak at 23-27

How did you arrive at Fox has a 2% chance to be all nba in the future?

[SacTown Kings]

If I’m the Kings I move on from SA. There is nobody on the team that is of much value for a player like Fox. Only value is their picks. So maybe a 3rd team is involved, otherwise I don’t see SA as an attractive trading partner. Only reason SA keeps getting brought up is because that is Fox’s ideal destination but so what. He doesn’t get to choose and 12-13 other teams are interested.

[elchengue20]

Reaves + Hachimura + Hood Schiaffino + two1sts is the trade that make most sense for both teams.

Lakers go all in replacing Reaves for a true star. They aso have Vanderbilt back to replace Hachimura.

Kings get a reasonable replacement for Fox on a great contract in Reaves, a decent NBA player in Hachi who can start for them, a young prospect, and two very valuable picks.

[SacTown Kings]

Why is Fox/Sabonis duo not working? My apology, since I'm not watching Kings games

I wouldn’t say Donas and Fox are not working out. It’s true Domas and Monk have better chemistry. They play the PnR better. Fox is not a great PnR player, more of a use his speed to penetrate type player.

I think it has more to do with Kings firing his guy Mike Brown, especially without consulting him, He and his wife wanting to go back home, realizing he isn’t going to be an all star this year to get that super max bonus…