Where does the myth of physical 90s NBA basketball come from?

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Re: Where does the myth of physical 90s NBA basketball come from? 

Post#241 » by og15 » Sun Jun 1, 2025 7:22 pm

Hair Jordan wrote:It’s not a myth. The league was full of men back then, most of whom played 4 years of college ball and were physically ready for the NBA unlike the high schoolers and one-and-done boys who pollute the modern NBA. Back in the day, players weren’t all buddy/buddy and looking to exchange jerseys after games or doing podcasts together. You had legit rivalries, real fights, hard fouls and beefs that last to this very day. It was real. However, here’s where people get confused: Nobody is claiming the ‘80s and 90’s was rock ‘em - sock ‘em robots for 48 minutes a night. It was more physical on average with hand checking, bruising PF’s and shot blocking bigs camped out under the basket. In addition, the floor was crammed inside the 3 point line because you didn’t have teams spamming fifty 3’s a game. You had finesse teams in the league as well. People who watch games from the ‘80s and ‘90s expecting to see a bloodbath on every possession are fooling themselves. The game has never been THAT physical but it was MORE physical than it is now.

Sadly because of hyperbole there are some who are basically claiming that and then we are having discussions about caricatures of different eras.

Same thing about this era, yes, on average there is more skill, but no, every team doesn't have a shooter at every position, or dynamic players everywhere. Or if you go on the negative side, the people acting like no one plays defense now, and it's a layup line and no one has ever been contested at the basket.

All the caricatures and hyperbole just cause for bad discussion.
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Re: Where does the myth of physical 90s NBA basketball come from? 

Post#242 » by Ice Man » Sun Jun 1, 2025 7:26 pm

Hair Jordan wrote: It was more physical on average with hand checking, bruising PF’s and shot blocking bigs camped out under the basket..


1) Hand checking -- if you watch videos of games in the Nineties, hand checking was uncommon, because defenders gave guards space on the perimeter.

2) Bruising PFs -- true, today's game does have more 3s playing the 4 position.

3) Shot blocking bigs - in 1995, teams blocked 7.8% of all 2-point shots. In 2025, teams blocked 9.5% of all 2-point shots.
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Re: Where does the myth of physical 90s NBA basketball come from? 

Post#243 » by Kawaii Leonard » Sun Jun 1, 2025 7:27 pm

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Re: Where does the myth of physical 90s NBA basketball come from? 

Post#244 » by og15 » Sun Jun 1, 2025 7:41 pm

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So here's another thing that hyperbole and caricature cause.

THERE WERE TOUCH FOULS IN THE 80'S, THERE WERE TOUCH FOULS IN THE 90'S

Again, some people have hyperbolized things and make it seem like you had to get clobbered to get a foul call.

No, but a big difference was that the requirement for, and the financial penalty for flagrant fouls were low, so players would dish out tougher fouls against players near the basket.

Many older players have actually said that the rules now and the punishment now for flagrants is BETTER, but how they played is what they were used to and what was allowed.

So due to the caricature, some people act like every foul had to be "earned", that was not true, lots of the same types of fouls, but you were allowed to be rougher on certain fouls while still only getting a common foul called.

So yes, they were physical with him, but no, that doesn't mean every foul or the majority called were hard fouls.
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Re: Where does the myth of physical 90s NBA basketball come from? 

Post#245 » by Swindle » Sun Jun 1, 2025 8:14 pm

I think the “myth” comes from when guards would try to lay the ball up or dunk they’d get knocked on their ass. Adam Silver even confirmed he doesn’t want the physicality to ever go back to to a year like ‘97. This isn’t a knock on modern era, most people prefer less physical and more skill focused ball. Charlie Ward literally got thrown during a playoff game in ‘97. The league doesn’t want to go back to that.
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Re: Where does the myth of physical 90s NBA basketball come from? 

Post#246 » by Hair Jordan » Mon Jun 2, 2025 12:09 pm

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Hair Jordan wrote: It was more physical on average with hand checking, bruising PF’s and shot blocking bigs camped out under the basket..


1) Hand checking -- if you watch videos of games in the Nineties, hand checking was uncommon, because defenders gave guards space on the perimeter.

2) Bruising PFs -- true, today's game does have more 3s playing the 4 position.

3) Shot blocking bigs - in 1995, teams blocked 7.8% of all 2-point shots. In 2025, teams blocked 9.5% of all 2-point shots.


1. Hand checking was common in the 90’s but mostly when guards were posting up or attacking the rim. Nobody was hand checking guys 25 ft from the basket because guys weren’t launching 25 ft 3’s.

2. Agree

3. Teams on average take way fewer 2’s today vs 1995 so every 2 that’s blocked today skews the percentage higher. For example, a team in 1995 takes sixty 2’s in a game and 5 get blocked. Thats 8.33%. A team today takes thirty 2’s in a game and 5 get blocked. That’s 16.66%. It doesn’t mean shot blocking or defense is as good or better today. It’s just a skewed percentage.
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Re: Where does the myth of physical 90s NBA basketball come from? 

Post#247 » by Ice Man » Mon Jun 2, 2025 2:40 pm

To answer the OP, the myth comes from the fact that the commentators who shape the fans' views played in the Nineties. Chuck, Kenny, Shaq, Reggie. And as with all ex-players, they idolize their era. I mean, Jeff Teague just said that his 2015 Hawks were better than the 2025 Thunder. Believing that their generation was braver & better is what players do. I'm sure that Perk will tell you that his Boston Celtics could have beaten the Larry Bird version.

In 2050, fans will believe that the Golden Age of basketball was circa 2020, thanks to ESPN's analysis crew of Draymond, Russ, and Playoff Jimmy.
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Re: Where does the myth of physical 90s NBA basketball come from? 

Post#248 » by JoseRizal » Wed Jun 11, 2025 1:38 pm

Definitely more physical than the modern game we see now where players just chuck 3 pointers all the time.

Heck, better change the name Power Forward to Shooting Forward... :lol:

Don't start with me on the perpetual flopping, foul-baiting and flailing free-throw merchants... :banghead:

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