Friday 04/04/2008 - Game Thread

[G35]

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I see you edited out your comment that Paul would avg 15 assists with the Lakers.

He wouldn't even avg double digit assists.

Have you forgotten what system the Lakers run and no one has ever avg'd 10 assists in the triangle under Phil Jax.......

[JDawg]

^^^ No he hasnt. He jus doenst care to listen.

Any idiot who thinks Paul cna GET in the paint more than Kobe knows NOTHING about basketball.

If Kobe wanted to he could GET in teh paint on EVERY freakign possesioin WITHOUT THE NEED OF A PICK....are you getting that BScott!??!?!?!

[B-Scott]

Put David West in place of Lamar and West would not average the same numbers. Especially with Bynum out for a long stretch and Gasol out the last 10 games.

Kobe does not get inside the paint as much as Paul. Its not even close

Watch the Hornets games. Teams will try the same defense on Paul as they do Kobe.

Double team at the top of the key. The difference is Kobe at 6-7 215 pounds is slower,so he will eventually get past that double team,but it's no where as quick. This helps the defense recover and get back on Lamar.

With Chris Paul, i dare you attempt to double him at the top of the key with Lamar Odom at PF.

GONE at the rack within 3 seconds to Lamar for the layup. Please use your center or PF to come out to the top of the key.

Kobe has a habit of dribbling all the way out to the mid court line when the PF or center and PG doubles him. He's no where as quick as Paul in this situation.

When teams try this against the Hornets,Chris Paul flat out blows right by it and dishes. Lamar Odom SLAAAAAAAM DUNK

You would see that all day long

[semi-sentient]

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It depends on what you need. Odom couldn't fill Peja's role in NO, he would kill their spacing at the SF spot. The Hornets don't need another rebounder with West and Chandler. Odom could take West's spot, but he really shouldn't be compared to Peja, they don't really play the same position.

Exactly.

Odom will be in the same role once Bynum comes back. At SF, you can't go wrong with a sharp-shooter like Peja, especially as a 4th option. He'd be a much better fit simply because he'd help space the floor effectively, and that's important in the triangle. It's all about team needs.

[B-Scott]

^^^ No he hasnt. He jus doenst care to listen.

Any idiot who thinks Paul cna GET in the paint more than Kobe knows NOTHING about basketball.

If Kobe wanted to he could GET in teh paint on EVERY freakign possesioin WITHOUT THE NEED OF A PICK....are you getting that BScott!??!?!?!

Kobe does not get inside the paint more then Chris Paul

Especially when Baron Davis, Bruce Bowen and Shane Battier is guarding Kobe. He cant blow by these guys. Its 25 foot jumpers all day

Chris Paul gets inside the free throw line against anyone and everyone and he has great passing awareness once ge gets there.

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DP

[LLcoleJ]

So B-Scott is really comparing a PG to a SG/SF? in terms of on court play? Next thing we here is Kobe should be guarding Howard for the BIGGGGGGGG BLOCCCKKK!!

[semi-sentient]

TP

[B-Scott]

I wasn't the one starting the comparison between Lamar and Hornets players. I just joined the discussion.

[Tesla]

So B-Scott is really comparing a PG to a SG/SF? in terms of on court play? Next thing we here is Kobe should be guarding Howard for the BIGGGGGGGG BLOCCCKKK!!

Whatever it is, Kobe sucks.

Nevermind the offensive system we run and the position which is played.

Kobe sucks, he shoots from nearly half court every time, he's never been able to shoot even 40% against Battier, Prince, or Bowen... He can't score even 20 points on them, he can't pass out of double teams, he is a slow old man, he is the worst defensive player in the league, he is worse than player X at every part of the game... Kobe should just rolll over and die.

If I read some of this stuff without ever watching a single NBA game, I'd imagine Kobe along the likes of Wally Szerbiak.

[B-Scott]

Testla - Your taking this to personal. Nobody said those things

[LLcoleJ]

I wasn't the one starting the comparison between Lamar and Hornets players. I just joined the discussion.

You are always starting or in discussions about Lamar on other teams and other great players on the Lakers sans Kobe. Its very transparent.

[LLcoleJ]

Testla - Your taking this to personal. Nobody said those things

I actually think he sums you up very well. Its not a generalization - its a specific comment about your posts. I agree with him.

[Tesla]

Testla - Your taking this to personal. Nobody said those things

No trust me, its the same old rhetoric that I read over and over, just replace a few players names here and there. If its not Paul, then its Nash.. if its not Nash then its Duncan, or Wade or Lebron ... or Odom.

Why are you out to proove that Kobe is worse than this player and that player almost every post you make, and then claim you are unbiased, etc. At least admit it, and I'd be fine with it. Most objective people will apperciate what a lot of good players bring to the table.

I guess we just need to trade Kobe for Jason Terry and Josh Howard. That should do it for you.

[G35]

Put David West in place of Lamar and West would not average the same numbers. Especially with Bynum out for a long stretch and Gasol out the last 10 games.

Kobe does not get inside the paint as much as Paul. Its not even close

Watch the Hornets games. Teams will try the same defense on Paul as they do Kobe.

Double team at the top of the key. The difference is Kobe at 6-7 215 pounds is slower,so he will eventually get past that double team,but it's no where as quick. This helps the defense recover and get back on Lamar.

With Chris Paul, i dare you attempt to double him at the top of the key with Lamar Odom at PF.

GONE at the rack within 3 seconds to Lamar for the layup. Please use your center or PF to come out to the top of the key.

Kobe has a habit of dribbling all the way out to the mid court line when the PF or center and PG doubles him. He's no where as quick as Paul in this situation.

When teams try this against the Hornets,Chris Paul flat out blows right by it and dishes. Lamar Odom SLAAAAAAAM DUNK

You would see that all day long

I think you are wrong.

Can we get a little help? David West arrived in the NBA without a position. Five seasons later, few teams know how to guard him. Just ask the Spurs. West is averaging 23.0 points against them this season and has helped lead the Hornets to 25- and 24-point victories over their Southwest Division rivals.

The majority of the Hornets offense is pick and roll. Like has been said the Hornets do not play at a fast pace. Which if people use some common sense means it's more deliberate and less mistake prone ie less turnovers.

If you replaced Odom with West teams would just back off Odom and give him the outside jumper all day. You can't do that with West. He may have the most automatic 17 ftr in the league. Somebody will look up the stats. Odom doesn't play well in the pick and roll game. He can only drive left and he is prone to picking up offensive fouls.

Just let Lamar play his game and stop going overboard. Everyone recognizes that he plays better when he is not the focal point. Teams are loading up Kobe/Gasol, Odom is taking advantage of that as he should. Nothing more, nothing less.......

[B-Scott]

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You are always starting or in discussions about Lamar on other teams and other great players on the Lakers sans Kobe. Its very transparent.

We are talking about Kobe Bryant and Chris Paul

At the beginning of this discussion, these names were not mentioned

Sasha, Farmar, Turiaf, Mbenga, Bynum (injured), Gasol, Fisher, Chris Mihm. Non fans brought up the name Lamar Odom.

Lets forget about Lamar for a 2nd.

You dont think Andre Bynum would get alleyoops playing with Chris Paul? If you think Bynum got a lot of easy dunks playing with Kobe,he would get a lot more with Paul.

I had Chis Paul as the best PG since Isiah Thomas when he was 1st drafted. Now he's the best PG since 1987 Magic Johnson.

He makes it look so easy

[B-Scott]

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The majority of the Hornets offense is pick and roll. Like has been said the Hornets do not play at a fast pace. Which if people use some common sense means it's more deliberate and less mistake prone ie less turnovers.

If you replaced Odom with West teams would just back off Odom and give him the outside jumper all day. You can't do that with West. He may have the most automatic 17 ftr in the league. Somebody will look up the stats. Odom doesn't play well in the pick and roll game. He can only drive left and he is prone to picking up offensive fouls.

Just let Lamar play his game and stop going overboard. Everyone recognizes that he plays better when he is not the focal point. Teams are loading up Kobe/Gasol, Odom is taking advantage of that as he should. Nothing more, nothing less.......

Everytime the Lakers ran a pick and roll with Lamar tonight it was a success. Your exagerating Lamar's ability to finish off the pick and roll.

In the past, Kwame Brown would be the one setting the screen and roling and it would end up in Kwame dropping the pass for the layup.

Lakers have never ran pick and rolls with Lamar and Kobe. They are just now beginning to use Lamar in these situations and it is working.

Lamar set the screen and roll. Kobe delivers the pass. Eric dampier comes to help out and Lamar delivers the pass to Gasol for the layup.

The guy catching the pass off the pick and roll does not have to be a scorer only. If the center helps out,you can deliver the pass.

[G35]

Bynum had 88 dunks in 35 games playing 29 minutes a game

Chandler has 170 dunks in 71 games playing 35 minutes a game


I can't see how it's not easy for Paul when you have the best 3pt shooter in the NBA, the 3rd best shooting PF in West and Tyson Chandler who does nothing set picks and roll to the rim.


Replace Peja with Radmanovic and West with Odom and it wouldn't look so easy........

[LLcoleJ]

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We are talking about Kobe Bryant and Chris Paul

At the beginning of this discussion, these names were not mentioned

Sasha, Farmar, Turiaf, Mbenga, Bynum (injured), Gasol, Fisher, Chris Mihm. Non fans brought up the name Lamar Odom.

Lets forget about Lamar for a 2nd.

You dont think Andre Bynum would get alleyoops playing with Chris Paul? If you think Bynum got a lot of easy dunks playing with Kobe,he would get a lot more with Paul.

I had Chis Paul as the best PG since Isiah Thomas when he was 1st drafted. Now he's the best PG since 1987 Magic Johnson.

He makes it look so easy

Well here is a tip.

1) Paul to X player does not mean the end all be all. Most teams can stop that after a few possesions and is not this championship play.

2) Your ability to use all Laker players and put them with other great players in the league is also astounding. What does that have to do with anything? you are making these fantasy teams with everyone not named Kobe and that is obvious to us all.

Who cares about this... add this player to this player mumbo jumbo? What does that mean in reality?

Paul and the Hornets are a force and Paul is the man.. but thats the Hornets.

The Lakers are still getting it done, broken and out.. Guys are stepping up like Lamar, Sasha, Gasol...etc.. and lead by Kobe then I would say that THIS team is doing the job. No contender has the injuries we have and we are still one game out of 1st in the west.

Paul to Lamar on a SLAMMMMMMMMMM DUNK doesnt make the Lakers year given all the injuries any less impressive. Kobe lead us to this place.

[G35]

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Everytime the Lakers ran a pick and roll with Lamar tonight it was a success. Your exagerating Lamar's ability to finish off the pick and roll.

In the past, Kwame Brown would be the one setting the screen and roling and it would end up in Kwame dropping the pass for the layup.

Lakers have never ran pick and rolls with Lamar and Kobe. They are just now beginning to use Lamar in these situations and it is working.

Lamar set the screen and roll. Kobe delivers the pass. Eric dampier comes to help out and Lamar delivers the pass to Gasol for the layup.

The guy catching the pass off the pick and roll does not have to be a scorer only. If the center helps out,you can deliver the pass.

With Gasol in the lineup Odom is a much better player. Figure it out.

Why all of a sudden are they now using it? Don't be so slow.