The Kobe Step Through

[casey]

^Great (first) post snowlauncher.

A CHALLENGE FOR THE "RULE BOOK" PEOPLE

What you have to understand is that the rule book is EVERYTHING. That's all that matters. That is what the entire discussion should be about. Ignoring it is basically an admission that you're wrong.

Why don't you produce a video clip of that move being done.

There's already been a clip of Kobe doing it and two of Al Jefferson doing it.

[mrfatwrecker]

NBA rules are ambiguous in their wording but NCAA rules is clear that you can
lift your pivot foot while the other foot is on the ground:

http://www.ncaa.org/library/rules/2006/ ... _rules.pdf

Art. 4. After coming to a stop and establishing the pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the playing court,
before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;
b. The pivot foot shall not be lifted before the ball is released to start a
dribble.
Art. 5. After coming to a stop when neither foot can be the pivot foot:
a. One or both feet may be lifted, but may not be returned to the play-
ing court, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal;

The first part is the same as the NBA rules, but the second part is not ambiguous at all, it says you can lift one or both feet. As traveling rules are roughly equivalent between leagues, with the NBA generally more lax, it can be inferred that this applies to the NBA as well.

sixerswillrule, you are a joke and a fantastic representation of the current bandwagon fans of the league. You are proven wrong, AGAIN. You STILL reply with your crap. You don't seem to understand that the more you post, the more (Please Use More Appropriate Word) you are proven to be. So hurl as many insults as you like, because all you're doing is increasing the gap between you and common stupid people who can at least admit they are wrong.

sixerswillrule--------------------------------morons----------------------------normal people----------------beyond

[Zeitgeister]

mrfatwrecker, you need to chill out. The guy has a disagreement, as foolish as his argument may seem there is no reason to spew out personal insults like you have over the past several pages.

[marcroboy]

mrfatwrecker, you need to chill out. The guy has a disagreement, as foolish as his argument may seem there is no reason to spew out personal insults like you have over the past several pages.

I'm still in awe how this thread has gotten to 17 pages

[shaggyZ]

That's traveling, nothing to discuss there. But Kobe rarely does that in his up-and-unders/step-throughs, he almost always takes off on both feet, which is not traveling. If your pivot foot leaves the ground just slightly before your non-pivot foot, no ref is gonna call it on any player, but if you're obviously lifting your pivot foot, then jumping off your non-pivot foot, then yeah, that's traveling. I don't care what some pdf says, if you've ever played basketball you know that it's a travel. There's a reason nobody ever pulls that move in games.

Ah, good, there are a few out there that actually know what they are talking about. I'm happy now. At least a few people here understand the "you can't change pivot feet" rule. People that keep trying to show that one part of the rule book. The move that we're talking about here is such a basic travel it's like not taking a dump on center court isn't in there but it's think that's illegal too. It's just simple logic. Thank you that is all. LOCK IT. Maybe someone can email someone at nba.com or something like someone else said and get it cleared up and then everyone can apologize for being so wrong. I'll accept your apologies.

[marcroboy]

That's traveling, nothing to discuss there. But Kobe rarely does that in his up-and-unders/step-throughs, he almost always takes off on both feet, which is not traveling. If your pivot foot leaves the ground just slightly before your non-pivot foot, no ref is gonna call it on any player, but if you're obviously lifting your pivot foot, then jumping off your non-pivot foot, then yeah, that's traveling. I don't care what some pdf says, if you've ever played basketball you know that it's a travel. There's a reason nobody ever pulls that move in games.

Ah, good, there are a few out there that actually know what they are talking about. I'm happy now. At least a few people here understand the "you can't change pivot feet" rule. People that keep trying to show that one part of the rule book. The move that we're talking about here is such a basic travel it's like not taking a dump on center court isn't in there but it's think that's illegal too. It's just simple logic. Thank you that is all. LOCK IT. Maybe someone can email someone at nba.com or something like someone else said and get it cleared up and then everyone can apologize for being so wrong. I'll accept your apologies.

Nope, both NBA and FIba rules say you are wrong.

[Zeitgeister]

That's traveling, nothing to discuss there. But Kobe rarely does that in his up-and-unders/step-throughs, he almost always takes off on both feet, which is not traveling. If your pivot foot leaves the ground just slightly before your non-pivot foot, no ref is gonna call it on any player, but if you're obviously lifting your pivot foot, then jumping off your non-pivot foot, then yeah, that's traveling. I don't care what some pdf says, if you've ever played basketball you know that it's a travel. There's a reason nobody ever pulls that move in games.

Ah, good, there are a few out there that actually know what they are talking about. I'm happy now. At least a few people here understand the "you can't change pivot feet" rule. People that keep trying to show that one part of the rule book. The move that we're talking about here is such a basic travel it's like not taking a dump on center court isn't in there but it's think that's illegal too. It's just simple logic. Thank you that is all. LOCK IT. Maybe someone can email someone at nba.com or something like someone else said and get it cleared up and then everyone can apologize for being so wrong. I'll accept your apologies.

For one thing, the NBA isn't going to take the time to create a rule that says "no taking dumps on the court" because it doesn't happen and it would be a waste of time. Traveling happens all the time, and the NBA obviously felt it was important to define what traveling is very clearly. The rules for the NBA and NCAA have been cited now, and both of them are at least in favor of those who say it is not traveling.

[mrfatwrecker]

That's traveling, nothing to discuss there. But Kobe rarely does that in his up-and-unders/step-throughs, he almost always takes off on both feet, which is not traveling. If your pivot foot leaves the ground just slightly before your non-pivot foot, no ref is gonna call it on any player, but if you're obviously lifting your pivot foot, then jumping off your non-pivot foot, then yeah, that's traveling. I don't care what some pdf says, if you've ever played basketball you know that it's a travel. There's a reason nobody ever pulls that move in games.

Ah, good, there are a few out there that actually know what they are talking about. I'm happy now. At least a few people here understand the "you can't change pivot feet" rule. People that keep trying to show that one part of the rule book. The move that we're talking about here is such a basic travel it's like not taking a dump on center court isn't in there but it's think that's illegal too. It's just simple logic. Thank you that is all. LOCK IT. Maybe someone can email someone at nba.com or something like someone else said and get it cleared up and then everyone can apologize for being so wrong. I'll accept your apologies.

Holy crap you are an idiot.

[marcroboy]

That's traveling, nothing to discuss there. But Kobe rarely does that in his up-and-unders/step-throughs, he almost always takes off on both feet, which is not traveling. If your pivot foot leaves the ground just slightly before your non-pivot foot, no ref is gonna call it on any player, but if you're obviously lifting your pivot foot, then jumping off your non-pivot foot, then yeah, that's traveling. I don't care what some pdf says, if you've ever played basketball you know that it's a travel. There's a reason nobody ever pulls that move in games.

Ah, good, there are a few out there that actually know what they are talking about. I'm happy now. At least a few people here understand the "you can't change pivot feet" rule. People that keep trying to show that one part of the rule book. The move that we're talking about here is such a basic travel it's like not taking a dump on center court isn't in there but it's think that's illegal too. It's just simple logic. Thank you that is all. LOCK IT. Maybe someone can email someone at nba.com or something like someone else said and get it cleared up and then everyone can apologize for being so wrong. I'll accept your apologies.

For one thing, the NBA isn't going to take the time to create a rule that says "no taking dumps on the court" because it doesn't happen and it would be a waste of time. Traveling happens all the time, and the NBA obviously felt it was important to define what traveling is very clearly. The rules for the NBA and NCAA have been cited now, and both of them are at least in favor of those who say it is not traveling.

I'm kinda thinking that these guys were owned so badly by the rules that they just refuse to accept it. I mean they were crying and whining in the beginning about how Kobe get away with this and that and bammmm, someone slaps them hard in the face with a rulebook straight from NBA.com, black and white terms saying the move is legal. It's called denial and it's typical.

[casey]

At least a few people here understand the "you can't change pivot feet" rule.

It's not changing your pivot foot. It's picking up your pivot foot. Which is legal as long as you pass or shoot before your pivot foot hits the ground again. Ya know, just like the rules clearly state.

[Zeitgeister]

Ah, good, there are a few out there that actually know what they are talking about. I'm happy now. At least a few people here understand the "you can't change pivot feet" rule. People that keep trying to show that one part of the rule book. The move that we're talking about here is such a basic travel it's like not taking a dump on center court isn't in there but it's think that's illegal too. It's just simple logic. Thank you that is all. LOCK IT. Maybe someone can email someone at nba.com or something like someone else said and get it cleared up and then everyone can apologize for being so wrong. I'll accept your apologies.

For one thing, the NBA isn't going to take the time to create a rule that says "no taking dumps on the court" because it doesn't happen and it would be a waste of time. Traveling happens all the time, and the NBA obviously felt it was important to define what traveling is very clearly. The rules for the NBA and NCAA have been cited now, and both of them are at least in favor of those who say it is not traveling.

I'm kinda thinking that these guys were owned so badly by the rules that they just refuse to accept it. I mean they were crying and whining in the beginning about how Kobe get away with this and that and bammmm, someone slaps them hard in the face with a rulebook straight from NBA.com, black and white terms saying the move is legal. It's called denial and it's typical.

Yep, and I always love the argument that "no one does it" so it must be illegal. There are a lot of things that Kobe does that hardly anyone else does, and that's precisely the reason why he's considered probably the most skilled player in the league.

[Gutter92]

Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. [1] The subject may deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether (simple denial), admit the fact but deny its seriousness (minimisation) or admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility (transference).

The theory of denial was first researched seriously by Anna Freud. She classified denial as a mechanism of the immature mind, because it conflicts with the ability to learn from and cope with reality






That about sums it up

[Bruh Man]

Thank you Dr. Phil

[WetCoast]

Travel:


Not a Travel:

Now that's basketball at it's finest!

[shaggyZ]

I have come here once again to admit that I was 100% WRONG. I have been arguing for 17 pages. I was so sure of myself. I finally decided to go to google to find proof that this is a travel. I found like 5 different things saying that it is LEGAL. It seems like it would be a blatant travel to me, but as long as the pivot foot doesn't come back down its okay, just like people have tried to hammer in my head for many many pages. I am embarrassed, humiliated, and humbled. I would like to apologize to everyone in this thread and to all my friends and family who I have also embarrassed. Any name I may have called anyone here in my idiotic comments apply to me now. Feel free to call me any names and say anything you would like. I am a douche and an a-hole. In closing, once again I want to say I am sorry from the bottom of my heart and I hope someday we can move on and forget this ever happened.

EDIT: I really wasn't in denial, I legitimately thought that I was in the right. I was not.

[marcroboy]

I have come here once again to admit that I was 100% WRONG. I have been arguing for 17 pages. I was so sure of myself. I finally decided to go to google to find proof that this is a travel. I found like 5 different things saying that it is LEGAL. It seems like it would be a blatant travel to me, but as long as the pivot foot doesn't come back down its okay, just like people have tried to hammer in my head for many many pages. I am embarrassed, humiliated, and humbled. I would like to apologize to everyone in this thread and to all my friends and family who I have also embarrassed. Any name I may have called anyone here in my idiotic comments apply to me now. Feel free to call me any names and say anything you would like. I am a douche and an a-hole. In closing, once again I want to say I am sorry from the bottom of my heart and I hope someday we can move on and forget this ever happened.

/thread

[Bruh Man]

[mrfatwrecker]

I have come here once again to admit that I was 100% WRONG. I have been arguing for 17 pages. I was so sure of myself. I finally decided to go to google to find proof that this is a travel. I found like 5 different things saying that it is LEGAL. It seems like it would be a blatant travel to me, but as long as the pivot foot doesn't come back down its okay, just like people have tried to hammer in my head for many many pages. I am embarrassed, humiliated, and humbled. I would like to apologize to everyone in this thread and to all my friends and family who I have also embarrassed. Any name I may have called anyone here in my idiotic comments apply to me now. Feel free to call me any names and say anything you would like. I am a douche and an a-hole. In closing, once again I want to say I am sorry from the bottom of my heart and I hope someday we can move on and forget this ever happened.

/thread

Not quite. Now sixerswillrule is the only one left who refuses to accept the solid evidence. I'm curious to see if he mans up and admits it like shaggy here.

[casey]

I have come here once again to admit that I was 100% WRONG. I have been arguing for 17 pages. I was so sure of myself. I finally decided to go to google to find proof that this is a travel. I found like 5 different things saying that it is LEGAL. It seems like it would be a blatant travel to me, but as long as the pivot foot doesn't come back down its okay, just like people have tried to hammer in my head for many many pages. I am embarrassed, humiliated, and humbled. I would like to apologize to everyone in this thread and to all my friends and family who I have also embarrassed. Any name I may have called anyone here in my idiotic comments apply to me now. Feel free to call me any names and say anything you would like. I am a douche and an a-hole. In closing, once again I want to say I am sorry from the bottom of my heart and I hope someday we can move on and forget this ever happened.

EDIT: I really wasn't in denial, I legitimately thought that I was in the right. I was not.

I sense sarcasm in that post, but if not it's nice to see some people actually admit they were wrong.

[shaggyZ]

I am seriously not being sarcastic. I was dead wrong. No sarcasm. I could have just disappeared in humiliation but I'll come and admit how wrong I was. sixerswillrule, I've seen the cold hard evidence and it's true.