The ROTY/Rookie Discussion Thread, Part III

[QPR]

How did the fact that Gary Payton named Rondo as the 4th best defensive guard in the L escape everyone's attention?

Rondo is an abysmal defender.

I'm more concerned he has missed Roberson, unless he is talking about point guards only?

[Big Joke Line]

Tatum hands down Simmons was a rookie last year. Tatum anyway.

[Kalela]

120 pages of mostly Sixers and Jazz fans arguing who is better between Simmons and Mitchell.

[Kolkmania]

I think that Simmons is a good player, but i think that his impact is currently overrated. He has some crazy tools but he also has significant weaknesses that prevent him form using those tools in full measure. Having no jump shot seems like a single weakness but it is far from the truth. It is like having no ability to jump. Shooting doesnt only affect how much you can score but also affects how many offensive threats you have to create plays from. It also affects how useful you are without the ball by creating space and being able to finish plays that others create for you. Simmons is also a limited finisher at the rim. Mostly using his right hand even as he shoots jumpers with his left hand (he should switch to his right as he has far more touch with it). He is a limited offensive threat witch limits his playmaking options. He is also a good defender but again overrated due to his high rebound numbers. He is versatile but not as much as it would seam because he is a not a good rim protector or from what ive seen and is not so good at defending bigs.

I think that he is a good player but not as much as his stats portray him as and not better than Mitchell.

I don't mind the discussion, but you're just making stuff up and makes this argument cringy to read.

How on earth is Simmons a limited finisher at the rim? He has one of the biggest amount of attempts near the rim in the NBA and he finishes 74.3%(!!) within 3 feet, that's LeBron James/Giannis Antetokounmpo territory.

And now we're calling Simmons an overrated defender because he rebounds at an elite rate for a PG? Sure he has a massive advantage over the traditional PG, but that's what makes him so unique. He does the things normal PG's do while being 6'10''.
Saying that he does a poor job at defending bigs is also questionable. He defended Trey Burke last night and switched effectively on Enes Kanter for example. Due to this massive lineup with Simmons the Sixers can switch nearly everything which is the key to their top 5 defense.

[Black Mage]

120 pages of mostly Sixers and Jazz fans arguing who is better between Simmons and Mitchell.

We are trying to challenge the record held by Celtics vs Raptors fans. I don't think we're even close to that record.

[theo42]

Gary Payton's top 5 defensive guards.

1. Paul
2. Beverly
3. Smart
4. Rondo
5. Ball!!

You guys that dont watch the Lakers dont see it but Lonzo has been the defensive resurgence for the Lakers.

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Gary Payton is on crack if he thinks Ball is a better defensive guard than Simmons. Simmons is one of the best defensive guards in the league. Easily top 5. This isn’t a knock on Ball because he is pretty good on D but he’s not better than Simmons.

Stop being a homer and ball hater. Simmons ain’t no better defender than Ball.

Another thing Simmons ain’t a guard. He’s a forward.


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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

[Domejandro]

I don’t know, I kind of agree that Lonzo is a better defensive player. Ben Simmons, while good, massively benefits from having an excellent cast of defenders in Robert Covington and Joel Embiid supplementing him.

[Drax]

Another thing Simmons ain’t a guard. He’s a forward.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't watch 76ers games so enlighten me, does Simmons guard the Westbrooks, Lillards, Currys or Pauls of the NBA on a nightly basis? Or is he assigned to taller/bigger players on defense?

[Unbreakable99]

Gary Payton's top 5 defensive guards.

1. Paul
2. Beverly
3. Smart
4. Rondo
5. Ball!!

You guys that dont watch the Lakers dont see it but Lonzo has been the defensive resurgence for the Lakers.

Watch on YouTube

Gary Payton is on crack if he thinks Ball is a better defensive guard than Simmons. Simmons is one of the best defensive guards in the league. Easily top 5. This isn’t a knock on Ball because he is pretty good on D but he’s not better than Simmons.

Stop being a homer and ball hater. Simmons ain’t no better defender than Ball.

Another thing Simmons ain’t a guard. He’s a forward.


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Your reply is laughable. Ball isn’t a better defender than Simmons. Stop the crazy talk. And you say I’m a Ball hater? You must not know me very well. I was the leader of the Ball fan club coming out of college. I said he was the best prospect and wanted to take Ball number one for the Sixers. And you’re most laughable point is saying Simmons is a forward. Um what? He’s played PG the entire season. He’s a PG. I can’t believe there are people still out there who try to say Simmons isn’t a guard. Just crazy talk. Stop being mad that Ball isn’t a better defender than Simmons.

[Snotbubbles]

Another thing Simmons ain’t a guard. He’s a forward.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't watch 76ers games so enlighten me, does Simmons guard the Westbrooks, Lillards, Currys or Pauls of the NBA on a nightly basis? Or is he assigned to taller/bigger players on defense?

He guards pretty much any player from 1-4 depending on what personnel is on the floor with him at the time.

[Unbreakable99]

I don’t know, I kind of agree that Lonzo is a better defensive player. Ben Simmons, while good, massively benefits from having an excellent cast of defenders in Robert Covington and Joel Embiid supplementing him.

Yeah no. Every defensive metric shows Simmons is a better defender than Ball. Don’t make this complicated.

[Unbreakable99]

Another thing Simmons ain’t a guard. He’s a forward.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't watch 76ers games so enlighten me, does Simmons guard the Westbrooks, Lillards, Currys or Pauls of the NBA on a nightly basis? Or is he assigned to taller/bigger players on defense?

Yes he guards them.

[theo42]

Another thing Simmons ain’t a guard. He’s a forward.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't watch 76ers games so enlighten me, does Simmons guard the Westbrooks, Lillards, Currys or Pauls of the NBA on a nightly basis? Or is he assigned to taller/bigger players on defense?

He covers literally every position. Whoever covers him he covers. And switches to whomever.

You can't find clips of those guys or anyone abusing him because it doesn't happen.

[Litany]

Barkley, Shaq and others make their pick for ROTY, yeeahhh Donovan, you go boy

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[Unbreakable99]

Barkley, Shaq and others make their pick for ROTY, yeeahhh Donovan, you go boy

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Mitchell has had a great rookie season and would win ROY in most years but if he wins it over Simmons then they should just do away with the ROY award. What are we even doing if Simmons doesn’t win? He’s clearly the best rookie. You can’t make a case for anyone but Simmons.

[JellosJigglin]

120 pages of mostly Sixers and Jazz fans arguing who is better between Simmons and Mitchell.

It's sad because this is one of the best rookie classes in a long time.

[Litany]

Barkley, Shaq and others make their pick for ROTY, yeeahhh Donovan, you go boy

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Mitchell has had a great rookie season and would win ROY in most years but if he wins it over Simmons then they should just do away with the ROY award. What are we even doing if Simmons doesn’t win? He’s clearly the best rookie. You can’t make a case for anyone but Simmons.

Clearly there IS a debate to be had about it. Not just Jazz homers and local pundits . We're seeing it everywhere, by the national writers, national radio hosts, by current and former NBA players, national TV pundits on ESPN and FOX, on discussion boards , and national media in general.

So as much as YOU want to think "there is no debate to be had...it's ovvvvaaa" people around the world disagree and are having a discussion about it. But feel free to continue thinking "they should do away with the award...you can't make a case for anyone but Simmons." Many people are...if you wanna plug your ears and say lalala, go for it, but the rest of us will continue discussing what each guy is and enjoy how awesome both of them are and when one or the other wins it we'll congratulate them.

[cl2117]

Ugh some of ya'll are insufferable. I'd choose Simmons as my ROY, I think he's pulled away at this stage, but you got jagoffs here saying you can't even make a case for Mitchell.

120 pages of mostly Sixers and Jazz fans arguing who is better between Simmons and Mitchell.

It's sad because this is one of the best rookie classes in a long time.

It's sad because they keep tearing down the other guy instead of being pumped about how good their guy is (let alone being excited about having such an influx of great talent into the NBA).

[Unbreakable99]

Barkley, Shaq and others make their pick for ROTY, yeeahhh Donovan, you go boy

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Mitchell has had a great rookie season and would win ROY in most years but if he wins it over Simmons then they should just do away with the ROY award. What are we even doing if Simmons doesn’t win? He’s clearly the best rookie. You can’t make a case for anyone but Simmons.

Clearly there IS a debate to be had about it. Not just Jazz homers and local pundits . We're seeing it everywhere, by the national writers, national radio hosts, by current and former NBA players, national TV pundits on ESPN and FOX, on discussion boards , and national media in general.

So as much as YOU want to think "there is no debate to be had...it's ovvvvaaa" people around the world disagree and are having a discussion about it. But feel free to continue thinking "they should do away with the award...you can't make a case for anyone but Simmons." Many people are...if you wanna plug your ears and say lalala, go for it, but the rest of us will continue discussing what each guy is and enjoy how awesome both of them are and when one or the other wins it we'll congratulate them.

There is no debate. Simmons is better than Mitchell by any metric you want to use. If you go by counting stats Simmons is better. If you go by advanced stats Simmons is better. If you go by impact on the team Simmons is better. If you go by eye test Simmons is better. The only reason some people debate Simmons should not win is because they are the ones saying Simmons isn't a real rookie. Clowns like Paul Pierce and other NBA players use that as a knock to not vote for Simmons. If everyone looks at this logically then there is no race. And it's rookie of the year. What was Mitchell doing in the first month of the season from October through November? Simmons was winning ROM back then. Mitchell didn't even turn it on until the month of December. There's nothing wrong with being the second best rookie behind Simmons. I like Mitchell. He's going to be an all star sooner than later but he didn't have a better season. It's VERY clear.

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