2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.3)

[ty 4191]

Tell me the last time a player went back to back MVP without his team being top or close to the top of the conference in both seasons?

Tell me the last time a player had 2,000 points, 1,000 rebounds, and 500 assists in a season?

How about the last time a player had 13 40/10 games?

Bob McAdoo, 1975-1976.

2,000/1,000/500 has never happened before, and yet, it just happened. And, it happened vis-a-vis a guy (Jokic) playing only 74 games and 33.5 mpg.

On the other hand, thirteen or more 40/10 games has happened in 15 different seasons in NBA history.

--Wilt (7x, including 63x in 1961-1962)
--McAdoo (2x)
--Elgin Baylor (3x)
--Rick Barry (2x)
--Kareem (1x)

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[ty 4191]

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Advanced stats are a lot more valuable to front offices, serious gamblers, and statisticians than they are to most basketball fans who enjoy watching the sport.

So I do appreciate those "advanced stats" and I think people were justified in questioning the primarily advanced stat case that was being pushed for Jokic mid season.

With that being said this MVP race has been fun. I think Jokic is going to win pretty handily and deservedly so. Hopefully Embiid uses it as fuel because if he keeps up this level of play he will absolutely win one in the next few years.

[Sharkboy242]

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[Wolfgang630]

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The first tweet shows you his value. He’s doing it all

[JordansBulls]

Fact is how many players won back to back when the 2nd season they weren't a #1 or #2 seed? Jokic being a 6th seed is already too far off.

[AleksandarN]

Fact is how many players won back to back when the 2nd season they weren't a #1 or #2 seed? Jokic being a 6th seed is already too far off.

Does it matter if it is back to back or his second MVP because Moses had a worse team record when he won his second MVP?

[Wolfgang630]

How many potential back to back MVP candidates lost their second and third best player, and carried their team to 48 wins. I’ll be waiting.

[scrabbarista]

Tell me the last time a player had 2,000 points, 1,000 rebounds, and 500 assists in a season?

How about the last time a player had 13 40/10 games?

Bob McAdoo, 1975-1976.

2,000/1,000/500 has never happened before, and yet, it just happened. And, it happened vis-a-vis a guy (Jokic) playing only 74 games and 33.5 mpg.

On the other hand, thirteen or more 40/10 games has happened in 15 different seasons in NBA history.

--Wilt (7x, including 63x in 1961-1962)
--McAdoo (2x)
--Elgin Baylor (3x)
--Rick Barry (2x)
--Kareem (1x)

Are those orthopedic shoes you're wearing? Because, son, you stand corrected!

I assume you just checked for rebounds, no? Because Harden had fourteen 40/10 games in 2019, if you include either assists or rebounds (and no MVP Award). And five of those fourteen were triple-doubles, so you could say, in a sense, he had nineteen 40/10 games that season!

Harden also did it nine times in 2017, and seven of them were triple-doubles. (Also, no MVP Award.)

And I'd assume Westbrook might've had a season when he did it 13 times, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

[MoMan24]

Sixers fans do yourself a favor and do not mention numbers at all. Your boy ain't winning that argument. Jokic is down his 2nd and 3rd best players all year and the Sixers have just 2 more wins. Jokic has played 7 more games and has actually won more games than Embiid has when you factor the games they played in. Objectively speaking Jokic should win period. He makes his teammates so much better and has done more with less.

[eyeatoma]

Fact is how many players won back to back when the 2nd season they weren't a #1 or #2 seed? Jokic being a 6th seed is already too far off.

Exactly

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[eyeatoma]

Fact is how many players won back to back when the 2nd season they weren't a #1 or #2 seed? Jokic being a 6th seed is already too far off.

Does it matter if it is back to back or his second MVP because Moses had a worse team record when he won his second MVP?

You keep bringing him up. If wasn't back to back so it's not the same thing lmao. Also that team lead the EAST.

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[Johnny Firpo]

We have the notion that seeding is super important because in 90% of the cases the actual MVPs are the best players of the best teams, and of course the best teams gonna have a high seeding, that's why they are the best teams. It is, however, more of a correlation than it is a rule. This season - and the last season btw. - are clear outliers in the sense that the best teams (Suns, Jazz, Grizzlies) CLEARLY don't have the league's best player on their team. And surprise, surprise, even though a few tries to convince themselves, the vast majority of the voters won't even look there, which they shouldn't. So how likely it is that most voters will care more about seeding than team record? I don't think it's likely.

[eyeatoma]

We have the notion that seeding is super important because in 90% of the cases the actual MVPs are the best players of the best teams, and of course the best teams gonna have a high seeding, that's why they are the best teams. It is, however, more of a correlation than it is a rule. This season - and the last season btw. - are clear outliers in the sense that the best teams (Suns, Jazz, Grizzlies) CLEARLY don't have the league's best player on their team. And surprise, surprise, even though a few tries to convince themselves, the vast majority of the voters won't even look there, which they shouldn't. So how likely it is that most voters will care more about seeding than team record? I don't think it's likely.

The concept of seeding being tied to MVP was always because it was indicative of winning. If Jokic had MPJ on the team, his rebounding numbers wouldn't have taken off, and his VORP/GLORP/BPM/CRAPTOR would not have been at an all time high. He is an incredible player, future hall of famer, but there is a little bit of good stats/bad team going on here.

[Mrakar]

Amount of crying that will be done in this thread will be amazing. Especially because Jokic will probably lose 1st round of PO (since he will play much better team in Warriors without his best teammates). It is (Please Use More Appropriate Word) that they announce the awards so late, it is all pointless when it is announced.

But yea, it was done when Nuggets avoided play-in. Good game against lotto team with no real centers will not help Embiid's case.

[AleksandarN]

Fact is how many players won back to back when the 2nd season they weren't a #1 or #2 seed? Jokic being a 6th seed is already too far off.

Does it matter if it is back to back or his second MVP because Moses had a worse team record when he won his second MVP?

You keep bringing him up. If wasn't back to back so it's not the same thing lmao. Also that team lead the EAST.

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When did his team lead the EAST in his first two MVPs? lmao

[MoMan24]

We have the notion that seeding is super important because in 90% of the cases the actual MVPs are the best players of the best teams, and of course the best teams gonna have a high seeding, that's why they are the best teams. It is, however, more of a correlation than it is a rule. This season - and the last season btw. - are clear outliers in the sense that the best teams (Suns, Jazz, Grizzlies) CLEARLY don't have the league's best player on their team. And surprise, surprise, even though a few tries to convince themselves, the vast majority of the voters won't even look there, which they shouldn't. So how likely it is that most voters will care more about seeding than team record? I don't think it's likely.

The concept of seeding being tied to MVP was always because it was indicative of winning. If Jokic had MPJ on the team, his rebounding numbers wouldn't have taken off, and his VORP/GLORP/BPM/CRAPTOR would not have been at an all time high. He is an incredible player, future hall of famer, but there is a little bit of good stats/bad team going on here.

Not good stats. All-time great stats. Not bad team, good team that last healthy was great and went to the WCF. Sixers have 2 more wins, are they a bad team too?????? Yall Sixers fans really are becoming so unlikable on here. I don't want to dislike yall. SMH

[B-easy]

Funny stat - Jokic has more wins than Emiid and Giannis this season.

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Oh, I hate these "arbitrary" stats like top 10. If we expand it to TOP 14 he would be in with PPG, RPG, APG, FG% and STL

[eyeatoma]

Does it matter if it is back to back or his second MVP because Moses had a worse team record when he won his second MVP?

You keep bringing him up. If wasn't back to back so it's not the same thing lmao. Also that team lead the EAST.

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When did his team lead the EAST in his first two MVPs? lmao

Moses?

Seriously?

In 1982, the Sixers were 65-17, which lead the eastern conference. The closest team to them were Celtics who were 56-26.

Moses won his 2nd MVP this year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982%E2%80%9383_Philadelphia_76ers_season#Season_standings

Just in case you wanted to double check.