2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.3)

[eyeatoma]

Double post

[eyeatoma]

Double post

[eyeatoma]

We have the notion that seeding is super important because in 90% of the cases the actual MVPs are the best players of the best teams, and of course the best teams gonna have a high seeding, that's why they are the best teams. It is, however, more of a correlation than it is a rule. This season - and the last season btw. - are clear outliers in the sense that the best teams (Suns, Jazz, Grizzlies) CLEARLY don't have the league's best player on their team. And surprise, surprise, even though a few tries to convince themselves, the vast majority of the voters won't even look there, which they shouldn't. So how likely it is that most voters will care more about seeding than team record? I don't think it's likely.

The concept of seeding being tied to MVP was always because it was indicative of winning. If Jokic had MPJ on the team, his rebounding numbers wouldn't have taken off, and his VORP/GLORP/BPM/CRAPTOR would not have been at an all time high. He is an incredible player, future hall of famer, but there is a little bit of good stats/bad team going on here.

Not good stats. All-time great stats. Not bad team, good team that last healthy was great and went to the WCF. Sixers have 2 more wins, are they a bad team too?????? Yall Sixers fans really are becoming so unlikable on here. I don't want to dislike yall. SMH

Nuggets/Jokic fans should take a look in the mirror.

[BelgradeNugget]

Amount of crying that will be done in this thread will be amazing. Especially because Jokic will probably lose 1st round of PO (since he will play much better team in Warriors without his best teammates). It is (Please Use More Appropriate Word) that they announce the awards so late, it is all pointless when it is announced.

But yea, it was done when Nuggets avoided play-in. Good game against lotto team with no real centers will not help Embiid's case.

What if Jokic wins 1st round PO series?
Warriors since 3/1/2022 - 15-16
Nuggets since 3/1/2022 - 20-12

[AleksandarN]

You keep bringing him up. If wasn't back to back so it's not the same thing lmao. Also that team lead the EAST.

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When did his team lead the EAST in his first two MVPs? lmao

Moses?

Seriously?

In 1982, the Sixers were 65-17, which lead the eastern conference. The closest team to them were Celtics who were 56-26.

Moses won his 2nd MVP this year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982%E2%80%9383_Philadelphia_76ers_season#Season_standings

Just in case you wanted to double check.

wrong

MVP #1 78-79 record 47-35
MVP #2 81-82 record 46-36

Maybe you need to double check

[eyeatoma]

When did his team lead the EAST in his first two MVPs? lmao

Moses?

Seriously?

In 1982, the Sixers were 65-17, which lead the eastern conference. The closest team to them were Celtics who were 56-26.

Moses won his 2nd MVP this year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982%E2%80%9383_Philadelphia_76ers_season#Season_standings

Just in case you wanted to double check.

wrong

MVP #1 78-79 record 47-35
MVP #2 81-82 record 46-36

Maybe you need to double check

You are correct, but i just learned that he back to backed actually in 81/82 and 82/83. With the 3rd MVP being on an incredible Sixers team that led the EAST.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982%E2%80%9383_NBA_season

My point still stands.

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[AleksandarN]

Moses?

Seriously?

In 1982, the Sixers were 65-17, which lead the eastern conference. The closest team to them were Celtics who were 56-26.

Moses won his 2nd MVP this year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982%E2%80%9383_Philadelphia_76ers_season#Season_standings

Just in case you wanted to double check.

wrong

MVP #1 78-79 record 47-35
MVP #2 81-82 record 46-36

Maybe you need to double check

You are correct, but i just learned that he back to backed actually in 81/82 and 82/83. With the 3rd MVP being on an incredible Sixers team that led the EAST.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982%E2%80%9383_NBA_season

My point still stands.

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Not by what you said here

You're not listening. I already said you can have an outlier season, we've seen it many times in the past. If Jokic hadn't won last year, his seeding this year wouldn't matter. The fact that he's getting it twice, demands that his team is elite, if not it reeks of favoritism.

Moses says other wise when he won his second

MVP #1 78-79 record 47-35
MVP #2 81-82 record 46-36

[eyeatoma]

wrong

MVP #1 78-79 record 47-35
MVP #2 81-82 record 46-36

Maybe you need to double check

You are correct, but i just learned that he back to backed actually in 81/82 and 82/83. With the 3rd MVP being on an incredible Sixers team that led the EAST.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982%E2%80%9383_NBA_season

My point still stands.

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Not by what you said here

You're not listening. I already said you can have an outlier season, we've seen it many times in the past. If Jokic hadn't won last year, his seeding this year wouldn't matter. The fact that he's getting it twice, demands that his team is elite, if not it reeks of favoritism.

Moses says other wise when he won his second

MVP #1 78-79 record 47-35
MVP #2 81-82 record 46-36

Twice in a row, when it's not back to back it's not the same.

The part that was bolded was in reference to Jokic.

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[AleksandarN]

You are correct, but i just learned that he back to backed actually in 81/82 and 82/83. With the 3rd MVP being on an incredible Sixers team that led the EAST.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982%E2%80%9383_NBA_season

My point still stands.

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Not by what you said here

You're not listening. I already said you can have an outlier season, we've seen it many times in the past. If Jokic hadn't won last year, his seeding this year wouldn't matter. The fact that he's getting it twice, demands that his team is elite, if not it reeks of favoritism.

Moses says other wise when he won his second

MVP #1 78-79 record 47-35
MVP #2 81-82 record 46-36

Twice in a row, when it's not back to back it's not the same.

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Not what you said there.

P.S. History says 2nd MVP can be won with a team record of 46-36 or better

[AleksandarN]

.. double post

[eyeatoma]

Not by what you said here



Moses says other wise when he won his second

MVP #1 78-79 record 47-35
MVP #2 81-82 record 46-36

Twice in a row, when it's not back to back it's not the same.

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Not what you said there.

P.S. History says 2nd MVP can be won with a team record of 46-36 or better

That is exactly what I said, you misread it.

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[eyeatoma]

Not by what you said here



Moses says other wise when he won his second

MVP #1 78-79 record 47-35
MVP #2 81-82 record 46-36

Twice in a row, when it's not back to back it's not the same.

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Not what you said there.

P.S. History says 2nd MVP can be won with a team record of 46-36 or better

Lol. The 2nd MVP you are referring to, was it a back to back? If not, not sure why you keep bringing it up in the discussion.

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[AleksandarN]

Twice in a row, when it's not back to back it's not the same.

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Not what you said there.

P.S. History says 2nd MVP can be won with a team record of 46-36 or better

Lol. The 2nd MVP you are referring to, was it a back to back? If not, not sure why you keep bringing it up the discussion.

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Beside back to back shouldn't matter as you see right now with voters and it is looking like it won't. What voter used that reason not to give Jokic a vote I bet not many. actually I have not seen anyone mention it(I could be wrong)? You are trying so hard to down grade Jokic to prop up your guy. I have been on record that all three I have no problem winning. You are the one that thinks it is ridiculous if Jokic wins. Embiid had a great season but so did Giannis and Jokic.

[BelgradeNugget]

When did his team lead the EAST in his first two MVPs? lmao

Moses?

Seriously?

In 1982, the Sixers were 65-17, which lead the eastern conference. The closest team to them were Celtics who were 56-26.

Moses won his 2nd MVP this year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982%E2%80%9383_Philadelphia_76ers_season#Season_standings

Just in case you wanted to double check.

wrong

MVP #1 78-79 record 47-35
MVP #2 81-82 record 46-36

Maybe you need to double check

Are we arguing here Jokic shouldn't be MVP because 2 MVPs in a row are rear, only 14 players have done that, blah, blah, blah...or who had the best 21-22 season in the NBA?
Jokic was the Most Valuable Player in the NBA in 21-22 season. Simple as that.

[eyeatoma]

Moses?

Seriously?

In 1982, the Sixers were 65-17, which lead the eastern conference. The closest team to them were Celtics who were 56-26.

Moses won his 2nd MVP this year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982%E2%80%9383_Philadelphia_76ers_season#Season_standings

Just in case you wanted to double check.

wrong

MVP #1 78-79 record 47-35
MVP #2 81-82 record 46-36

Maybe you need to double check

Are we arguing here Jokic shouldn't be MVP because 2 MVPs in a row are rear, only 14 players have done that, blah, blah, blah...or who had the best 21-22 season in the NBA?
Jokic was the Most Valuable Player in the NBA in 21-22 season. Simple as that.

If you go back to back, your team record on the second one should be near perfect, or atleast a top 2 seed.

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[Hobo4President]

wrong

MVP #1 78-79 record 47-35
MVP #2 81-82 record 46-36

Maybe you need to double check

Are we arguing here Jokic shouldn't be MVP because 2 MVPs in a row are rear, only 14 players have done that, blah, blah, blah...or who had the best 21-22 season in the NBA?
Jokic was the Most Valuable Player in the NBA in 21-22 season. Simple as that.

If you go back to back, your team record on the second one should be near perfect, or atleast a top 2 seed.

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Why?

[eyeatoma]

Are we arguing here Jokic shouldn't be MVP because 2 MVPs in a row are rear, only 14 players have done that, blah, blah, blah...or who had the best 21-22 season in the NBA?
Jokic was the Most Valuable Player in the NBA in 21-22 season. Simple as that.

If you go back to back, your team record on the second one should be near perfect, or atleast a top 2 seed.

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Why?

Never happened before in history. It represents excellence. When you've been excellent you need to critique other factors as well. Team record being one of the first.

It's kind of arbitrary but so is Embiid not winning last year because of missed games.

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[GiannisAnte34]

Its not the most valuable team record award. Jokic is the rightful MVP

[Wolfgang630]

I still believe Giannis blocked Embiid’s chances of winning MVP. Giannis was not much in contention for MVP until the game against Philly, then the game against the Nets. 2 huge showings and Embiid didn’t come through against him on national television. I think some Embiid voters will vote for Giannis instead. First place is 10 points. Second place is 7 points. Losing a few points here and there will add up.

[eyeatoma]

If you go back to back, your team record on the second one should be near perfect, or atleast a top 2 seed.

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Why?

Never happened before in history. It represents excellence. When you've been excellent you need to critique other factors as well. Team record being one of the first.

It's kind of arbitrary but so is Embiid not winning last year because of missed games.

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If you're that excellent your GOAT stats should result in more than the damn 6th seed lol.

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