Alatan wrote:theo42 wrote:Alatan wrote:
Yeah, sure.
Arguments for Simmons include :
His rebounds that fluff his DRPM. Only 27 % are contested meaning they in larg part a product of his role on rebounding.
His assist numbers are high partly due him having the ball on almost every possession and being a pass 1st guy. Most PG with as much time with the ball while being surrounded by shooters can get you 8 assists per game as a pass 1st guy.
His FG% is high because he has a low scoring load, plays off of the gravity of Embiid and all of the shooters. Having all of those shooters is possible because of Embiids, Cowingtons and Simmons good defense. Remove Embiid or Cowington and the defense would start collapsing.
You cant compare stats in a vacuum because players dont get them in a vacuum. This aint fantasy where bigger stats mean better player.
Maybe DM should just fluff his rebounds and assists since it is so easy?
He could, but he is a team player and doesnt do things unnecessary for the win. Simmons with his size has the advantage of get the rebound himself while his big sprints into transition, but people make such a big deal out of it its crazy. Mitchell could also have the ball in his hands 90% of the time and drive and kick to shooters on the perimeter but Utah doesnt have the personal for such a system but instead plays an motion offense to get most out of the limited offensive talents it has.
Swap Simmons and Rubio and i doubt the Sixers get much worse, while Utah doesnt get much better.
I hesitate to call what you advance in your posts in this thread arguments, but they are similar to those advanced against Steph Curry in the past. There are plenty of posters on here damning Mitchell with faint praise, so I guess you are at least providing balance. I am actually past caring myself about who wins the stupid award, which seems to me as a foreign fan to be a minor one in any case, and irrelevant to the future careers of either of these fine players. I am an Australian Simmons partisan, but by all means they can give the award to Mitchell with no complaint from me, in which case he would deserve it as much as most past winners and more than many, and I can also see arguments, some of which have even been advanced by you, as to why he should get it over Simmons. I agree with you that the main knock on Mitchell, his efficiency, is likely to improve from this his rookie season; he obviously already has the shooting ability as you say which is no small thing.
The problem with your posts about Simmons, which as I said may actually be providing some balance to the thread even if largely bogus imo, is that as has been said you made up your mind about Simmons early on, it would seem likely pre-season, and have ignored all evidence in terms of what he has done as a player since.
Yes the Sixers system puts the ball in Simmons hands, but this is because of what he does with the ball which works for the Sixers, him having established early season that he is exceptional as a pure PG, despite many doubters before he played. Again this is reminiscent of arguments as to Steph Curry getting the numbers he does because of the GSW system; he is the GSW system. If Simmons is similar as a pure PG to a veteran like Rubio given he is a rookie playing the position for the first time that is hardly a knock on him; imo (only) he has better vision, but also does many other things due to his size, and speed at that size, Rubio doesn't do.
Of course being 6' 10" helps Simmons to be a good rebounder, but the facts are that he is that height, and has the speed and agility at that size that he has, while being able to play the PG position so well, which is what makes him so exceptional; it would be equally illogical to dismiss Mitchell's superior shooting ability as making the comparison unfair.
I agree the Sixers of late since the acquisition of Ilyasova and Bellinelli and (perhaps) the advent/return of Fultz look to have the more balanced roster, but having a balanced roster is the name of the game, and Utah not having such a roster is no-one's problem but their own, and it is hardly a condemnation of the Sixers (or Simmons) that they have shooters who can benefit from Simmons' play. Utah's roster which includes Gobert, Rubio and Ingles is hardly chopped liver in any case; I believe Ingles even makes the occasional three at reasonable efficiency. I agree Simmons doesn't have the shooting ability to do what his situation at Utah demands of Mitchell, but he could fairly easily imo and that of others average 20 points a game if that was a priority for him. He doesn't do this because it is not what is best for his team. I think what Mitchell does despite the relatively inefficient raw numbers particularly recently is what is best for his team also, btw. Simmons getting triple doubles also seems to be good for his team, and in getting them he makes other players on his team better, as opposed to what some have contended in regard to Westbrook.
